Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, now all the timid souls who are sooooooooo scared of transgender women* know to avoid Planet Fitness.

*Wanna guess how many transgender women have been hurt or killed by the non-transgender, as opposed to the reverse? No? Facts bother you? Oh well.

Right. Here's the thing: this woman's other option is to walk into the men's dressing room dressed as a woman, and not only subject herself to the fear of questioning before getting undressed, also face potential harassment (verbal and/or physical) while undressing. Which is the better option? I--a straight, married, cisgender woman--would say, go change in the women's dressing room!

[Anonymous]

I'm transgender (MtF) and have been thinking of doing an AMA for awhile. Do you think people here would be interested? (And somewhat polite? I really don't want to be attacked for opening up about who I am.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole discussion is going too far. This entire political correctness problem the US has is getting out of control. Men's locker rooms are for people of male sex. Women's locker rooms are for people of female sex. A person with a penis does not belong in a women's changing area. I can not believe how this new political correctness all of a sudden trumps everybody elses rights. There need to be neutral/family changing rooms to address this issue. Until then transgender people can at least cover their genitals in opposite sex changing areas. That is not too much to ask. Women will welcome them and at the same time those women will not be confronted with something they should be safe from in women's locker rooms.

Men's locker rooms are for people of the male gender. Women's locker rooms are for people of the female gender.

Also, it seems to me that you think gender-segregated locker rooms exist so that women can be safe from seeing male genitalia. Is that correct?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole discussion is going too far. This entire political correctness problem the US has is getting out of control. Men's locker rooms are for people of male sex. Women's locker rooms are for people of female sex. A person with a penis does not belong in a women's changing area. I can not believe how this new political correctness all of a sudden trumps everybody elses rights. There need to be neutral/family changing rooms to address this issue. Until then transgender people can at least cover their genitals in opposite sex changing areas. That is not too much to ask. Women will welcome them and at the same time those women will not be confronted with something they should be safe from in women's locker rooms.

Men's locker rooms are for people of the male gender. Women's locker rooms are for people of the female gender.

Also, it seems to me that you think gender-segregated locker rooms exist so that women can be safe from seeing male genitalia. Is that correct?

Gender and sex used to be the same thing...they are not anymore these days which makes this difficult. Male used to mean both male gender and male sex. Nowadays the division needs to be made clearer. As long as someone is of a certain sex, that someone needs to use the appropriate changing rooms. Again, family or neutral changing rooms are the solution here. We had them always and everywhere where I grew up and I have always been confused as to why they barely exist in the US. Or female, male and then single stalls for people who don't want to be confronted by other people's sexuality in whatever way. But just male and female and then mixing in all the new classification is just not ever going to work. Because somebody's right will always get trampled and that's not okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Gender and sex used to be the same thing...they are not anymore these days which makes this difficult. Male used to mean both male gender and male sex. Nowadays the division needs to be made clearer. As long as someone is of a certain sex, that someone needs to use the appropriate changing rooms. Again, family or neutral changing rooms are the solution here. We had them always and everywhere where I grew up and I have always been confused as to why they barely exist in the US. Or female, male and then single stalls for people who don't want to be confronted by other people's sexuality in whatever way. But just male and female and then mixing in all the new classification is just not ever going to work. Because somebody's right will always get trampled and that's not okay.

One's sexuality is different from one's genitalia.

Here's a good, non-technical summary of why sex, gender, and sexuality are complicated -- and always have been complicated, even if we used to fool ourselves into thinking they were simple.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/sex-gender-and-sexuality-its-complicated/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Gender and sex used to be the same thing...they are not anymore these days which makes this difficult. Male used to mean both male gender and male sex. Nowadays the division needs to be made clearer. As long as someone is of a certain sex, that someone needs to use the appropriate changing rooms. Again, family or neutral changing rooms are the solution here. We had them always and everywhere where I grew up and I have always been confused as to why they barely exist in the US. Or female, male and then single stalls for people who don't want to be confronted by other people's sexuality in whatever way. But just male and female and then mixing in all the new classification is just not ever going to work. Because somebody's right will always get trampled and that's not okay.

One's sexuality is different from one's genitalia.

Here's a good, non-technical summary of why sex, gender, and sexuality are complicated -- and always have been complicated, even if we used to fool ourselves into thinking they were simple.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/sex-gender-and-sexuality-its-complicated/

Oh my...I am a non-native English speaker which is why that one happened. I know the difference. What I meant was people in locker rooms shouldn't have to be confronted by naked bodies of the opposite sex. Because for different people having to see an opposite sex naked body can mean all kinds of things. And telling people to get over that is not okay. You are not telling transgender people to get over feeling like the opposite sex and just deal, are you? Sexuality, gender, sex, all of that is very intimate and transgender people's feelings are not the only ones to be respected here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole discussion is going too far. This entire political correctness problem the US has is getting out of control. Men's locker rooms are for people of male sex. Women's locker rooms are for people of female sex. A person with a penis does not belong in a women's changing area. I can not believe how this new political correctness all of a sudden trumps everybody elses rights. There need to be neutral/family changing rooms to address this issue. Until then transgender people can at least cover their genitals in opposite sex changing areas. That is not too much to ask. Women will welcome them and at the same time those women will not be confronted with something they should be safe from in women's locker rooms.

The argument of "Why do you look?" is invalid. Males do not belong in female changing rooms. There is nothing more to it than that. I am female. I go to the women's changing rooms because I do not want to change together with men. For what reason does not even matter. The solution to this is not for all women of the world to get used to having to see naked men in their changing rooms. The solution is for EVERYONE to stick to their rights which must lead to sex/gender neutral changing areas which will allow EVERYONE to chose. The only thing you people telling everyone to just not look and deal are doing is giving companies a reason not to accommodate the growing minority of transgender people...

I agree with this post. I would be very startled if I saw a man in the changing room, and would certainly talk to the staff about what I'd seen. I wouldn't go around gossiping about it afterward (although it's not entirely clear that's what actually happened), but I would probably cancel my membership after learning during my chat with staff that I'd have to anticipate men would be sharing the changing room with women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole discussion is going too far. This entire political correctness problem the US has is getting out of control. Men's locker rooms are for people of male sex. Women's locker rooms are for people of female sex. A person with a penis does not belong in a women's changing area. I can not believe how this new political correctness all of a sudden trumps everybody elses rights. There need to be neutral/family changing rooms to address this issue. Until then transgender people can at least cover their genitals in opposite sex changing areas. That is not too much to ask. Women will welcome them and at the same time those women will not be confronted with something they should be safe from in women's locker rooms.

The argument of "Why do you look?" is invalid. Males do not belong in female changing rooms. There is nothing more to it than that. I am female. I go to the women's changing rooms because I do not want to change together with men. For what reason does not even matter. The solution to this is not for all women of the world to get used to having to see naked men in their changing rooms. The solution is for EVERYONE to stick to their rights which must lead to sex/gender neutral changing areas which will allow EVERYONE to chose. The only thing you people telling everyone to just not look and deal are doing is giving companies a reason not to accommodate the growing minority of transgender people...

+ a million

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry. If you have a penis, use the men's room. I don't give a crap what you "feel" like. If a business wants to invest in a third private changing area, more power to them, but imposing on the vast majority of conforming population is bullshit PC gone amok.

How often are you checking out the genitals of people in the bathroom or locker room? Do you always look at people's crotches? Gross.

And why do you assume that a transgender person wouldn't be checking ouf the genitals of people in a bathroom or locker room? Nobody's walking water contrary to your beliefs.

My assumption is that anyone going to a gym is there with the sole intent to work-out. When they are in the locker room, I assume they are there to change their clothes. If someone wants to look at other's genitalia, there are plenty of other ways and places to do that.

Then why bother having separate changing rooms at all for men and women? Why arent men and wonen in the same changing room of no one cares?-. I think the transexual lady interviewed had the right idea. In an effort to be politically correct,many are not thinking this through. A real solution to this would be having transgender changing rooms. Let the gym put their money where their mouth is. Even rhe transgender lady interviewed had a better appreciation of the situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm transgender (MtF) and have been thinking of doing an AMA for awhile. Do you think people here would be interested? (And somewhat polite? I really don't want to be attacked for opening up about who I am.)

If you do it, and if people are actually polite, I will just about die of shock.

If you haven't guessed, there are some super transphobic posters here. I wouldn't do an AMA unless you felt up to dealing with that.

[Anonymous]

I would not want my girls seeing that in a women's locker room. I'd cancel my membership over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Then why bother having separate changing rooms at all for men and women? Why arent men and wonen in the same changing room of no one cares?-. I think the transexual lady interviewed had the right idea. In an effort to be politically correct,many are not thinking this through. A real solution to this would be having transgender changing rooms. Let the gym put their money where their mouth is. Even rhe transgender lady interviewed had a better appreciation of the situation.

Is the purpose of separate changing rooms for men and women so that men don't have to see female genitalia and women don't have to see male genitalia? Really?

And you think that the solution is to have four changing rooms -- cisgender men, cisgender women, transgender men (who are men), transgender women (who are women)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Then why bother having separate changing rooms at all for men and women? Why arent men and wonen in the same changing room of no one cares?-. I think the transexual lady interviewed had the right idea. In an effort to be politically correct,many are not thinking this through. A real solution to this would be having transgender changing rooms. Let the gym put their money where their mouth is. Even rhe transgender lady interviewed had a better appreciation of the situation.

Is the purpose of separate changing rooms for men and women so that men don't have to see female genitalia and women don't have to see male genitalia? Really?

And you think that the solution is to have four changing rooms -- cisgender men, cisgender women, transgender men (who are men), transgender women (who are women)?

NP here.

For some people separate changing rooms are important to not have to see opposite sex people naked. That's a valid reason. Maybe not for you but your reasons aren't the only ones that matter. Many parents don't want their children to have to see opposite sex people naked. For some people forcefully being confronted with opposite sex naked genitals causes severe trauma (sexual abuse victims for example).

And the solution has been mentioned before: either family changing rooms or single stalls.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand the argument of all supporters of this transgender women. If it is not a big deal to see genitals of opposite sex, why didn't she go to man's changing room? It would not be a big deal for her to look at the mans genitals. She wouldn't even see anything, because she is not going there to look around.

[Anonymous]

So if all locker rooms consisted of single stalls, and all public bathrooms consisted of single stalls, everybody would be fine with having unigender locker rooms/public bathrooms?