Nanny with child not dressed for cold weather

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Anonymous wrote:Like what? I'm not being snarky, I'm curious since my own son will have a volcanic fit if I tried to put hat/mittens on him when he doesn't want to. I wait until his hands get cold (about 2-3 blocks from our house) and then he will comply. What's the other way?

those are the kind of children that will only learn that stealing is wrong when the police arrest them.

Cold hands always lead to a life of crime.

From what I have read, allowing the kids hands to get cold and then want the mittens is actually teaching the child a valuable lesson, you wear mittens because if you don't, your hands get cold. Forcing the child to wear the mittens is just teaching the child to follow directions, not neccesarily understand WHY he has to wear his mittens.

Just another perspective.

Strangley, my son will refuse to leave the house without his hat, but mittens are a struggle. However, once we learned to get his thumb into the thumbhole and became functional - he was much more willing to accept the mittens.

it's not about having cold hands.
it's about not learning about the importance of being submissive to real authority and respecting them.

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Lots of crazies on this thread.

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The original post was silly to begin with-why be surprised that it brought out the crazies? Don't people really have better things to do with their time? I mean cold hands=life of crime? I suggest a new forum-Martians raising Venutians who come from Saturn. Might be the best way to round up all the nutballs in one place and let them fend for themselves.

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How dare you presume to be able to tell who is from Saturn and who is from Mars? My mother happens to be from Venus and I am mistaken for a Martian all the time. It would make my blood boil if it weren't already boiling. YOU ARE PATHETIC!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote: even the most dark woman has 4 chances in 64 to have a white child if the father of the child is mixed race.

Um, don't you mean 1 in 16? Or 32 in 512? Or....

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I think the bottom line is, everybody needs to mind her own business! This incessant mommy/nanny-tattling is insane! Do you seriously have nothing better to do than obsess over what some other parent or care-giver is doing? Does it make you feel better to see and talk about someone who doesn't parent just like you? Get over it!

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I don't think we should mind our own business. I'm the PP with the barefoot kid who got comments from strangers all the time. What's the bid deal if a stranger says, he should be wearing shoes? How is that so offensive? It doesn't bother me. I just said, "I can't keep shoes on him for more than a minute" and the commenter either said, "I remember that stage" or said nothing. It was about the kid, not me.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think we should mind our own business. I'm the PP with the barefoot kid who got comments from strangers all the time. What's the bid deal if a stranger says, he should be wearing shoes? How is that so offensive? It doesn't bother me. I just said, "I can't keep shoes on him for more than a minute" and the commenter either said, "I remember that stage" or said nothing. It was about the kid, not me.

I don't understand why people feel compelled to comment at all. It's rude. Do you go up to adult strangers and say, "Oh, you should be wearing a hat!" or "That outfit is too tight you you. Maybe you should try a larger size!" Why is commenting on children any different? Who cares what the nanny/parent is doing? You only have a snapshot of that situation - you know nothing about what happened before or after you see that person and thus are not looking at the situation in context. This constant holier-than-thou parenting is getting ridiculous!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think we should mind our own business. I'm the PP with the barefoot kid who got comments from strangers all the time. What's the bid deal if a stranger says, he should be wearing shoes? How is that so offensive? It doesn't bother me. I just said, "I can't keep shoes on him for more than a minute" and the commenter either said, "I remember that stage" or said nothing. It was about the kid, not me.

I don't understand why people feel compelled to comment at all. It's rude. Do you go up to adult strangers and say, "Oh, you should be wearing a hat!" or "That outfit is too tight you you. Maybe you should try a larger size!" Why is commenting on children any different? Who cares what the nanny/parent is doing? You only have a snapshot of that situation - you know nothing about what happened before or after you see that person and thus are not looking at the situation in context. This constant holier-than-thou parenting is getting ridiculous!

Because we care about each other. People don't have a right to do whatever they want to to a child, whether it's their own child or a charge. We are part of a society. An adult has a right to choose to wear whatever outfit they want to, and how they look is their business. A baby is at the mercy of whomever is taking care of him/her, has no choice, and in this case was freezing cold, not out of fashion. Totally different. OF COURSE we should care about the small children and babies we see around us. I care more about them than about being considered rude for commenting. Again, it takes a village. I welcome comments from strangers. It doesn't knock me off balance.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think we should mind our own business. I'm the PP with the barefoot kid who got comments from strangers all the time. What's the bid deal if a stranger says, he should be wearing shoes? How is that so offensive? It doesn't bother me. I just said, "I can't keep shoes on him for more than a minute" and the commenter either said, "I remember that stage" or said nothing. It was about the kid, not me.

I don't understand why people feel compelled to comment at all. It's rude. Do you go up to adult strangers and say, "Oh, you should be wearing a hat!" or "That outfit is too tight you you. Maybe you should try a larger size!" Why is commenting on children any different? Who cares what the nanny/parent is doing? You only have a snapshot of that situation - you know nothing about what happened before or after you see that person and thus are not looking at the situation in context. This constant holier-than-thou parenting is getting ridiculous!

Because we care about each other. People don't have a right to do whatever they want to to a child, whether it's their own child or a charge. We are part of a society. An adult has a right to choose to wear whatever outfit they want to, and how they look is their business. A baby is at the mercy of whomever is taking care of him/her, has no choice, and in this case was freezing cold, not out of fashion. Totally different. OF COURSE we should care about the small children and babies we see around us. I care more about them than about being considered rude for commenting. Again, it takes a village. I welcome comments from strangers. It doesn't knock me off balance.

Ah. Yes. We as a society must make decisions collectively about how all children should be raised. Let's take parenting away from parents, shall we? Since when did parents lose their autonomy? Again, you only see a snapshot of the situation. Perhaps the caregiver's car broke down and she was trying to get to somewhere warm? I thought about this today: should I put the kids in the car and return my shopping cart or should I take them with me to put the cart away, then risk having them run into the path of a moving vehicle because they are, after all, only toddlers? Hhhmmm. If I left the kids in the car, someone would call the police. If I left the cart in the space next to me, someone would comment about how inconsiderate I was. If I took the kids with me to put the cart away, one of the kids might get hit by a car. You see, I am the only one who can and should make that decision, yet everyone else would feel compelled to comment. It's a no win situation! So I ask again, why is it your business what decisions I make for my children? I'm sorry but you, having only the snapshot to work from, are NOT qualified to make the decision for me.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't have a right to do whatever they want to to a child, whether it's their own child or a charge.

Yes, they do. provided it's not against the law. And the last time I checked, taking a baby outside without mittens or a hat was not against the law. Advisable? No. But not against the law.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think we should mind our own business. I'm the PP with the barefoot kid who got comments from strangers all the time. What's the bid deal if a stranger says, he should be wearing shoes? How is that so offensive? It doesn't bother me. I just said, "I can't keep shoes on him for more than a minute" and the commenter either said, "I remember that stage" or said nothing. It was about the kid, not me.

I don't understand why people feel compelled to comment at all. It's rude. Do you go up to adult strangers and say, "Oh, you should be wearing a hat!" or "That outfit is too tight you you. Maybe you should try a larger size!" Why is commenting on children any different? Who cares what the nanny/parent is doing? You only have a snapshot of that situation - you know nothing about what happened before or after you see that person and thus are not looking at the situation in context. This constant holier-than-thou parenting is getting ridiculous!

Because we care about each other. People don't have a right to do whatever they want to to a child, whether it's their own child or a charge. We are part of a society. An adult has a right to choose to wear whatever outfit they want to, and how they look is their business. A baby is at the mercy of whomever is taking care of him/her, has no choice, and in this case was freezing cold, not out of fashion. Totally different. OF COURSE we should care about the small children and babies we see around us. I care more about them than about being considered rude for commenting. Again, it takes a village. I welcome comments from strangers. It doesn't knock me off balance.

Ah. Yes. We as a society must make decisions collectively about how all children should be raised. Let's take parenting away from parents, shall we? Since when did parents lose their autonomy? Again, you only see a snapshot of the situation. Perhaps the caregiver's car broke down and she was trying to get to somewhere warm? I thought about this today: should I put the kids in the car and return my shopping cart or should I take them with me to put the cart away, then risk having them run into the path of a moving vehicle because they are, after all, only toddlers? Hhhmmm. If I left the kids in the car, someone would call the police. If I left the cart in the space next to me, someone would comment about how inconsiderate I was. If I took the kids with me to put the cart away, one of the kids might get hit by a car. You see, I am the only one who can and should make that decision, yet everyone else would feel compelled to comment. It's a no win situation! So I ask again, why is it your business what decisions I make for my children? I'm sorry but you, having only the snapshot to work from, are NOT qualified to make the decision for me.

We're not talking about making decisions, we're talking about making comments. And that's when you say, "My car broke down" and the other person either says "oh" or even -- brace yourself -- "would you like some help?" Seems pretty simple to me but I guess life is a lot more complicated for you, if your grocery cart story is any example. Most of us go shopping every week without getting tied into mental knots over what to do with the cart.

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Anonymous wrote:We're not talking about making decisions, we're talking about making comments. And that's when you say, "My car broke down" and the other person either says "oh" or even -- brace yourself -- "would you like some help?" Seems pretty simple to me but I guess life is a lot more complicated for you, if your grocery cart story is any example. Most of us go shopping every week without getting tied into mental knots over what to do with the cart.

LOL! Well, I don't get tied into mental knots. I made MY decision immediately, but this thread prompted me to think about what comments other people would say to me based on whatever decision I made. I think it's ridiculous that my decisions are open for comment, all day, every day. I seriously think people need to mind their own business.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think we should mind our own business. I'm the PP with the barefoot kid who got comments from strangers all the time. What's the bid deal if a stranger says, he should be wearing shoes? How is that so offensive? It doesn't bother me. I just said, "I can't keep shoes on him for more than a minute" and the commenter either said, "I remember that stage" or said nothing. It was about the kid, not me.

I don't understand why people feel compelled to comment at all. It's rude. Do you go up to adult strangers and say, "Oh, you should be wearing a hat!" or "That outfit is too tight you you. Maybe you should try a larger size!" Why is commenting on children any different? Who cares what the nanny/parent is doing? You only have a snapshot of that situation - you know nothing about what happened before or after you see that person and thus are not looking at the situation in context. This constant holier-than-thou parenting is getting ridiculous!

Would you say something if you saw a baby locked in a car? If you saw someone strike a young toddler for no reason? If you knew your neighbor was abusing their children? Well, sometimes something small that is "not right" is a sign of something more that is wrong. Lots of children die because people mind their own business and do not speak up. Children have no advocates if we aren't looking out for them.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't have a right to do whatever they want to to a child, whether it's their own child or a charge.

Yes, they do. provided it's not against the law. And the last time I checked, taking a baby outside without mittens or a hat was not against the law. Advisable? No. But not against the law.

Could fall into the category of neglect depending on how cold it is. Neglect is actually against the law.