My child graduated from TJ and he/she is now..................
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Anonymous
Now THAT is funny! |
Anonymous
| My kids went to a low ranked suburban high school. One went to a state school for college, the other went to a community college and then finished online. The latter is a successful IT contractor, and the other is into non-profits, so she will probably not be profiting regardless. The point is...it's not the school, it's not the college. It is the kid. |
Anonymous
"Students at Thomas Jefferson, a magnet school for the regions' brightest children, did the best on the assessment, far exceeding their U.S. peers and those in Shanghai, China, who rank among the best in the world on the PISA test." http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-county-schools-outperform-us-average-many-countries-on-new-test/2013/03/21/c4872be8-924c-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html |
Anonymous
Wow, you have a big tar brush. |
Anonymous
Not that not-so-great-at-reporting-factually guy again. 
Read the source report - especially chapter 5: http://www.fcps.edu/pla/ost/pisa/school_level_reports/thomas_jefferson_hsst.pdf |
Anonymous
The section 5 states TJ's mean scores for Reading, Math and Science are higher than Shanghai's mean scores for Reading, Math and Science. Shanghai has the highest PISA scores of all the countries that participated including US. |
Anonymous
Country Category "Reading Mean" "Math Mean" "Science Mean" Chantilly HS FCPS 529 539 542 Falls Church HS FCPS 490 489 500 Hayfield Scondary FCPS 512 503 521 Herndon HS FCPS 508 522 520 Langley FCPS 543 553 549 Lee HS FCPS 476 464 497 Mt. Vernon HS FCPS 466 443 470 Oakton HS FCPS 543 567 549 TJHSST FCPS 625 680 625 Woodson HS FCPS 550 558 545 FCPS Average for Pilot FCPS Average 530 540 537 Australia OECD 515 514 527 Austria OECD 470 496 494 Belgium OECD 506 515 507 Canada OECD 524 527 529 Chile OECD 449 421 447 Czech Republic OECD 478 493 500 Denmark OECD 495 503 499 Estonia OECD 501 512 528 Finland OECD 536 541 554 France OECD 496 497 498 Germany OECD 497 513 520 Greece OECD 483 466 470 Hungary OECD 494 490 503 Iceland OECD 500 507 496 Ireland OECD 496 487 508 Israel OECD 474 447 455 Italy OECD 486 483 489 Japan OECD 520 529 539 Korea OECD 539 546 538 Luxembourg OECD 472 489 484 Mexico OECD 425 419 416 Netherlands OECD 508 526 522 New Zealand OECD 521 519 532 Norway OECD 503 498 500 Poland OECD 500 495 508 Portugal OECD 489 487 493 Slovak Republic OECD 477 497 490 Slovenia OECD 483 501 512 Spain OECD 481 483 488 Sweden OECD 497 494 495 Switzerland OECD 501 534 517 Turkey OECD 464 445 454 United Kingdom OECD 494 492 514 United States OECD 500 487 502 OECD Average OECD Summary 493 496 501 OECD Total OECD Summary 492 488 496 Albania Partners 385 377 391 Argentina Partners 398 388 401 Azerbaijan Partners 362 431 373 Brazil Partners 412 386 405 Bulgaria Partners 429 428 439 Chinese Taipei Partners 495 543 520 Colombia Partners 413 381 402 Croatia Partners 476 460 486 Dubai (UAE) Partners 459 453 466 Hong Kong-China Partners 533 555 549 Indonesia Partners 402 371 383 Jordan Partners 405 387 415 Kazakhstan Partners 390 405 400 Kyrgyzstan Partners 314 331 330 Latvia Partners 484 482 494 Liechtenstein Partners 499 536 520 Lithuania Partners 468 477 491 Macao-China Partners 487 525 511 Montenegro Partners 408 403 401 Panama Partners 371 360 376 Peru Partners 370 365 369 Qatar Partners 372 368 379 Romania Partners 424 427 428 Russian Federation Partners 459 468 478 Serbia Partners 442 442 443 Shanghai-China Partners 556 600 575 Singapore Partners 526 562 542 Thailand Partners 421 419 425 Trinidad and Tobago Partners 416 414 410 Tunisia Partners 404 371 401 Uruguay Partners 426 427 427 |
Anonymous
Precisely. ONE school versus the mean scores across MANY schools. |
Anonymous
Exactly. Shanghai is touted as having the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores. I don't think they break down the scores for Shanghai or at least the data is not available. if you have the data of Shanghai schools or of a school that has higher scores than TJ, please post them. I do not know of any. Of all the known scores, TJ has the highest scores, higher than Shanghai scores. That was the point and that was what was stated before you implied that was factually incorrect. That information is factually correct. |
Anonymous
http://www.oecd.org/countries/hongkongchina/46581016.pdf http://www.shmec.gov.cn/english/list.php?type=Overview&area_id=&article_id=63905 Again -- ONE school (TJ) vs. the mean scores across MANY schools (all schools in Shanghai). It is not a comparison of one school (TJ) to one school (Shanghai High School, as an example). Shanghai schools (plural) do have the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores. |
Anonymous
I guess you want to become "that person who is not so great at reporting facts person" since your sources are articles on educational systems in Hong Kong and Shanghai. Read your own sources. You did not post any scores of any schools that have higher scores than TJ. The initial statement was that TJ's scores are far higher than schools in US and higher than even Shanghai scores which are considered the best in the world. The statement never referred to PISA scores of a particular school in Shanghai. Your sources do not show the initial statement to be factually incorrect as you had implied. You need better sources or scores. Do not try to mislead people on this thread since they are smarter than that. In addition, you should be able to back up your statement if you are going to imply that a poster posts inaccurate statements regularly and also refrain from doing exactly the thing that you are mocking someone else of doing. You are just repeating yourself and merely repeating something is not an effective rebuttal. Try again by "reporting facts" that show the initial statement to be incorrect. |
Anonymous
And your sources do not back up the statement the TJ scores are higher than all Shanghai schools' scores. |
Anonymous
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More on Shanghai PISA results:
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/top_performers/2013/12/response_to_the_brookings_institution_attack_on_pisa.html |
Anonymous
Now you are changing the initial statement. The initial statement was a quote from the Washington Post article which stated "Students at Thomas Jefferson, a magnet school for the regions' brightest children, did the best on the assessment, far exceeding their U.S. peers and those in Shanghai, China, who rank among the best in the world on the PISA test." It did not say ALL Shanghai schools' scores. The statement is based on the available data which has information on mean scores of fcps high schools and participating countries/cities. You can only use the data that are available. The mean scores of Shanghai schools and mean scores of TJ. TJ's scores are significantly higher than Shanghai's scores. If you have any school(s)' scores that are higher than TJ, please post them. If you don't, stop changing the initial statement or making the same arguments that Shanghai scores cover multiple schools etc. It is obvious that Shanghai scores cover multiple scores. No one ever said Shanghai scores cover a particular school. We all know Shanghai is a city in China. Why don't you make the same silly argument that US scores are from many different schools and that it is not from 1 school. You forgot to make that argument. You should make that argument now and see how far that goes. That would be exactly the same thing you are saying about the Shanghai scores. In fact, there is an argument that Shanghai scores represent only the brightest sub-group and not all 15 year olds in Shanghai. Well, maybe we should only use the top 20 - 30% of the TJ student''s scores and compare that to the Shanghai score. The discrepancy will be much greater. I am not even arguing that position and we don't even have the breakdown of the TJ scores by student GPA. Until you can post scores from any city, country, or school etc. that shows PISA scores that are higher than TJ's scores, the initial statement stands. You need to try harder. |
Anonymous
Or just get off of DCUM where the harpies roost. |