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Precisely.  ONE school versus the mean scores across MANY schools.[/quote]

Exactly. Shanghai is touted as having the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores. I don't think they break down the scores for Shanghai or at least the data is not available. if you have the data of Shanghai schools or of a school that has higher scores than TJ, please post them. I do not know of any. Of all the known scores, TJ has the highest scores, higher than Shanghai scores.[/quote]

http://www.oecd.org/countries/hongkongchina/46581016.pdf

http://www.shmec.gov.cn/english/list.php?type=Overview&area_id=&article_id=63905

Again -- ONE school (TJ) vs. the mean scores across MANY schools (all schools in Shanghai).  It is not a comparison of one school (TJ) to one school (Shanghai High School, as an example).

Shanghai schools (plural) do have the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores.
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I guess you want to become "that person who is not so great at reporting facts person" since your sources are articles on educational systems in Hong Kong and Shanghai. Read your own sources. You did not post any scores of any schools that have higher scores than TJ. The initial statement was that TJ's scores are far higher than schools in US and higher than even Shanghai scores which are considered the best in the world. The statement never referred to PISA scores of a particular school in Shanghai.

[b]Your sources do not show the initial statement to be factually incorrect as you had implied.[/b] You need better sources or scores. Do not try to mislead people on this thread since they are smarter than that. In addition, you should be able to back up your statement if you are going to imply that a poster posts inaccurate statements regularly and also refrain from doing exactly the thing that you are mocking someone else of doing. You are just repeating yourself and merely repeating something is not an effective rebuttal. Try again by "reporting facts" that show the initial statement to be incorrect.  [/quote]

And your sources do not back up the statement the TJ scores are higher than all Shanghai schools' scores.[/quote]

Now you are changing the initial statement. The initial statement was a quote from the Washington Post article which stated "Students at Thomas Jefferson, a magnet school for the regions' brightest children, did the best on the assessment, far exceeding their U.S. peers and those in Shanghai, China, who rank among the best in the world on the PISA test." It did not say ALL Shanghai schools' scores. The statement is based on the available data which has information on mean scores of fcps high schools and participating countries/cities. You can only use the data that are available. The mean scores of Shanghai schools and mean scores of TJ. TJ's scores are significantly higher than Shanghai's scores. If you have any school(s)' scores that are higher than TJ, please post them. If you don't, stop changing the initial statement or making the same arguments that Shanghai scores cover multiple schools etc. It is obvious that Shanghai scores cover multiple scores. No one ever said Shanghai scores cover a particular school. We all know Shanghai is a city in China. Why don't you make the same silly argument that US scores are from many different schools and that it is not from 1 school. You forgot to make that argument. You should make that argument now and see how far that goes. That would be exactly the same thing you are saying about the Shanghai scores. In fact, there is an argument that Shanghai scores represent only the brightest sub-group and not all 15 year olds in Shanghai. Well, maybe we should only use the top 20 - 30% of the TJ student''s scores and compare that to the Shanghai score. The discrepancy will be much greater. I am not even arguing that position and we don't even have the breakdown of the TJ scores by student GPA.

Until you can post scores from any city, country, or school etc. that shows PISA scores that are higher than TJ's scores, the initial statement stands. You need to try harder.  [/quote]

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