FARMS

Anonymous
why does everyone assume that the poors are black? There are a lot of farms of all races, so it isn't racist to avoid high farm schools
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:why does everyone assume that the poors are black? There are a lot of farms of all races, so it isn't racist to avoid high farm schools


As an abstract thought it is not racist to avoid schools with high percentage of FARMs students, because families that qualify for FARMs come in every color. In DC, the majority of families that qualify for FARMs, like the majority of students that attend DCPS, are AA. On these forums, it is often asserted that people use FARMs as a proxy for race and the real reason an individual does not want his/her child attending a school with a high percentage of FARMs is because it is likely to also have a high percentage of AA students.

As an aside, I hate the phrase "the poors." Really rude and uncalled for.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:why does everyone assume that the poors are black? There are a lot of farms of all races, so it isn't racist to avoid high farm schools


Everyone doesn't assume that. There are a lot of people who came to DC from elsewhere, where back home the FARMS families for example were poor whites, or latinos, or vietnamese, or whatever. Seems to me it's mainly AAs from DC who are the ones making the connection between FARMS and black.
Anonymous
As it relates to DC, it is simply elementary Sherlock. When one race say that a school has too many FARMS, then it only takes a visual inspection of what is too many. So the labeling begins and the assumptions are submitted. It goes with the terroritory. Look at it this way if the FARMS started saying we want more whites, then we will all be happy campers.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:why does everyone assume that the poors are black? There are a lot of farms of all races, so it isn't racist to avoid high farm schools


This is the DC Public Schools Forum. The vast majority of FARM families in DC are minority (whether AA or Latino). I don't know the stats, but I'd be surprised is more than 5% of FARM families in DC are white. That all the FARM families in Appalachia are white couldn't be less relevant to this discussion.
Anonymous
Wouldn't it be racist to say I don't want dcps because regardless of farm or not most people are black.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:The Banneker question is out there though. What say those who avoid Banneker? I know what is said to me privately by those I know with HS aged children, and it had nothing to do with SES. Many have admitted that they and their children would never consider Banneker because they feel uncomfortable with the idea of possibly being the "only." I know exactly what is meant by that and I personally think that it's sad.

Banneker, SWW, Wilson, Ellington, McKinley, parochial and independent schools are ALL on my list. The jury is still out on the charter high schools. Our HS choice will be based on course offerings, not pigment.


Here's why we won't consider Banneker - it isn't that good. See the SAT scores for the previous graduating class - and this from an application high school.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/186327.page


OMG! According to your link, my children are doomed since we make just under $200K.

I think you really should visit all of these schools and encourage your child do a shadow day before you conclude anything. If you are only looking at numbers, then you better hightail it to the suburbs or to a private school. DCPS and the charters are not for you.


Funny thing is when a white parent doesn't want their white child to be "the only one" in the school their being responsible parents looking out for their child's best interest. When a black parent or minority has the same concerns they have "a chip on their shoulder" or are going against the grain. I would LOVE for my kids to go to school without white kids. This is the first year my kids have gone to a school with almost half of the students and with only two weeks in the school year, there was a letter sent home of an outbreak of damn lice! Nasty fuckers! If we really got a fair share and could have schools in bad neighborhoods or black neighborhood that were academically equipt, I would NEVER send my kids to school with whites PERIOD! Call my post what you want. I'm not racist, I just don't want myself or my family to be where we are not wanted and since so many of you (not all) have a problem with expressing your true feelings unless in private, I don't wanna be around you mutha f#*kas unless I ABSOLUTLY have to!



Can someone help me translate this?



I think it reads:

Being the "lonely only" is recognized in all communities as difficult. Therefore, I don't want my children to ever interact with anyone different from them. I want them to be in a cocoon. Furthermore, I want them to only be exposed to people of their same race. (Can I also control for religion? What about being gay/straight?) Oh, now that I think about it, they can only speak English. Or Spanish. But not both, because that's a compromise that pisses me off. What if I could demand that they are vegetarians? Or vegans? Or at least single-parent families who agree with my politics, and sew, knit, or tape their own clothing? I got a letter about lice and I can't make any sense of or about it, but I'm freaked out to the point of being incomprehensible. So, can I use that as an excuse to demand racial segregation? Because I'm not a racist, but I just know that anyone I don't like is a "mutha f#*kas"

Did I miss anything?



Yep! You got it. That lice shit did freak me out just like most white people sending their child to an all AA would freak them out! Just like moving to a black neighborhood would freak out a white person too just as long as we stay in our place long enough for them to raise the rent and buy up all the property and push us out. Again, I'm not racist and I think I speak for most black people when I say "if you leave us alone, we would leave you alone" but that's not the case is it? I didn't say I didn't want my child to live in a cacoon and not be around other races or religions. I just don't want to live or be around most white people because in reality, most of y'all don't want to be around us and what what you don't know and black people don't say all the time is that he feeling is very mutual. We send our kids to your schools reluctantly because the facilities are better and sadly there is more money spent on developing a surrounding education. If all schools had the same standards, there wouldn't be so much back and forth about AA, SES and so forth!! Bottom line, I don't want to be where I'm not wanted period reguardless the race, religion or etc. There are also some blacks I don't want to be around cause they discust me to for personal reasons and I would avoid as well but as for the racial issue, all you white muth f#ckas that don't want to be around blacks, trust me we don't want to be around y'all's asses neither. We just tolerate it!!! Now translator, translate that.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:why does everyone assume that the poors are black? There are a lot of farms of all races, so it isn't racist to avoid high farm schools


Everyone doesn't assume that. There are a lot of people who came to DC from elsewhere, where back home the FARMS families for example were poor whites, or latinos, or vietnamese, or whatever. Seems to me it's mainly AAs from DC who are the ones making the connection between FARMS and black.


No they are not. If so many of you all think that the AA are getting their panties in a bunch and offended by FARMS then just look at recent or future posts for that matter. Stating FARMS is one thing like when you say, "what's the FARMS stats?" Or "I would like to know if that school is mostly FARMS because FARMS is associated with low scores" but naw. You people say "I don't want to send my kids to FARMS with low/SES AA" or "yes, I know Bannaker is a good school but they have a lot of AA or low/FARMS AA there and I STILL don't want to send my child there." A good school is a good school based on teachers and they money spent to make the school. These blogs have been going on for so long without anyone speaking out about the racial undertones whites put on here that, when someone finally does speak out all of a sudden..."oh, the blacks must be sooooo sensitive and paranoid to think we are talking about them!" YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT US DAMMNN@T just nobody responded to your ignorance. We would just read your post and shake or heads and tell our friends how most of the white parents are expressing their bias views so openly on DCUM. That's how we do, we shake our heads at y'all we don't want to sound "ignorant" so we say things in such a damn "political" way so we don't sound ghetto or ignorant in "whites" eyes cause we KNOW your going to say "oh!!!! That must be another angry black person with a chip on their shoulder" or "see how violent that person's words are and how defensive that parent sounds? That's why we don't want precious Billy to go to school with them!".
That is called being passive agressive and just plain out CRAZY! Are you really that oblivious to your actions or are you really just that damn dumb?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:As it relates to DC, it is simply elementary Sherlock. When one race say that a school has too many FARMS, then it only takes a visual inspection of what is too many. So the labeling begins and the assumptions are submitted. It goes with the terroritory. Look at it this way if the FARMS started saying we want more whites, then we will all be happy campers.


Right because it is only one race who wants to know what percentage of kids in poverty are at a school( Sarcasm). You don't think AA families check this out and care a great deal?

Let's be honest: You are upset not because one race cares about poverty percentages in schools, but because in DC (unlike other places ) there is mostly one race that makes up the group of people living in poverty.
Anonymous
Ya know what, it's my turn to rant.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about FARMS. I am sick and tired of hearing all the complaining, whining and blaming. I could give a damn what race FARMS are.

Lemme tell ya, I grew up in a dirt poor home, my dad was the son of immigrants, abused as a child, bipolar and a drunk. He left us when I was 5 years old. My mom came from a broken home, she was raised by a single mom who was the pariah of her community, and she in turn also raised us as a single mom. We were shipwrecked in a backward dirt poor coal mining town in the middle of nowhere, with no opportunities. There was no low income housing, we had to room with strangers because we couldn't afford an apartment. We lived on rice and beans. I worked two, three and four part time minimum wage jobs at a time, scrubbing pots and pans, pumping gas, painting houses, cashier, you name it. I didn't sit on the stoop sucking on a 40 ounce, I didn't sit around BSing and smoking blunts all night and get up at noon, I worked my ass off. I managed to put myself through college, managed to get out of that hell hole town, worked and worked my ass off to get ahead in one job after another, paid off my loans, put myself through grad school, waited til I was financially sound before having babies and now I have that family and own my home.

That's how you do it. I saw I had a problem, so I fixed it. You don't sit around waiting for someone else to fix your damn problem for you. As the old folks say, the Good Lord helps those who help themselves.
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A good school is a good school based on teachers and they money spent to make the school.



The whole point of studies on the impact of FARMs on educational outcomes is that the above is not in fact true. Peers matter. It is important to attend a school where a significant percentage of the students come from families with high expectations and arrive at school ready to learn (well rested, fed, respectful of teachers). These factors are not only about money, but SES is a good proxy for what you can expect from your child's peers. There are things that are not appalling about sending your child to school with an overly privileged cohort as well.

That is separate from the issue of not wanting your child to be an "only", which many people on here take to be about racism. My discomfort with Banneker is not about my child (many years away from this being an issue) being an only. I have significant concerns (see Banneker SAT thread) about the school. It may be a fine school, but I have seen nothing that has persuaded me it is an exceptional education as a rule.
Anonymous
22:05 here, correction:

There are things that are not APPEALING about sending your child to schools with an overly privileged cohort as well.
Anonymous
Banneker was just an example because yes I have seen those poor stats but I'm speaking in reference to another parents post.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Ya know what, it's my turn to rant.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about FARMS. I am sick and tired of hearing all the complaining, whining and blaming. I could give a damn what race FARMS are.

Lemme tell ya, I grew up in a dirt poor home, my dad was the son of immigrants, abused as a child, bipolar and a drunk. He left us when I was 5 years old. My mom came from a broken home, she was raised by a single mom who was the pariah of her community, and she in turn also raised us as a single mom. We were shipwrecked in a backward dirt poor coal mining town in the middle of nowhere, with no opportunities. There was no low income housing, we had to room with strangers because we couldn't afford an apartment. We lived on rice and beans. I worked two, three and four part time minimum wage jobs at a time, scrubbing pots and pans, pumping gas, painting houses, cashier, you name it. I didn't sit on the stoop sucking on a 40 ounce, I didn't sit around BSing and smoking blunts all night and get up at noon, I worked my ass off. I managed to put myself through college, managed to get out of that hell hole town, worked and worked my ass off to get ahead in one job after another, paid off my loans, put myself through grad school, waited til I was financially sound before having babies and now I have that family and own my home.

That's how you do it. I saw I had a problem, so I fixed it. You don't sit around waiting for someone else to fix your damn problem for you. As the old folks say, the Good Lord helps those who help themselves.


I agree with you 100%!
Anonymous
According to the National Center for Education Statistics, the District has the largest black-white and Hispanic-white gaps in the country by every measure of academic achievement the study looked at. There is a 73-point gulf between the District’s white and black eighth-graders in math scores. That’s more than double the national average gap of 31 points.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/anacostia-why-i-have-faith-in-the-future-of-my-neighborhood/2012/11/14/a4693b20-195d-11e2-b97b-3ae53cdeaf69_print.html
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