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Anonymous wrote:Name a school in the District where anyone finds it "acceptable" for an AA student to be called "nigger".

To demonstrate how ridiculous this discussion is: To tell from a recent speech there, Dunbar seems to be acceptable grounds to unearth otherwise unacceptable racist slurs.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^^^ You're assuming the PP went to school in the district. The poster didn't say where they went to school, just that they went to "a" lilly white school.

In checking the title of this website, and the title of this forum, and the title of this category, it's all about DC and specifically DC public and charter schools.

So, how is it meaningful or relevant to refer to "lily white" schools when no "lily white" DCPS or PCS schools exist in the district, or to talk about it being "acceptable" for said "lily whites" to be calling an AA student the "n" word when it is absolutely *not* acceptable to do so in any school in the district?

It is really not useful, helpful, or productive to keep trying to cast the here and now of DC 2012 as the racially segregated America of decades gone by.

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Anonymous wrote:Name a school in the District where anyone finds it "acceptable" for an AA student to be called "nigger".

To demonstrate how ridiculous this discussion is: To tell from a recent speech there, Dunbar seems to be acceptable grounds to unearth otherwise unacceptable racist slurs.

"otherwise unacceptable" - acceptable for AAs to keep the slur alive and going. Memo to Rev. Sharpton.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, I will make sure I tell my husband that. The last time we were at Politics and Prose, the white woman next to us grabbed her purse when she saw my husband. He looks as innocent and suburban as they come. I guess that was our "victimhood" and we imagined it.

There are plenty of neurotic and anxious people out there who will clutch their purses to themselves whenever ANYONE is near, regardless of color.

Exactly, and some people, accustomed to or expecting discrimination, will perceive every purse-clutching as another example of it.

Right... And, we've all seen things like the little AA grannies who pull their purses tight to themselves when there's rowdy young AA males around. Following the logic presented, that would make those AA grannies racist.

I would not call her racist, but I do believe this and think that it is sad that the perception of our boys goes beyond white people to all people. It's the images that we all see. I know that it is a reality b/c I have 2 black sons. I too have to stop myself from the perception. I am very aware of the stereotype that I myself sometimes fall into.

The AA community has not done itself many favors where it comes to what it promotes as "AA culture" - when you have AA youth emulating along the lines of many popular icons, getting tatted up and dressing gangsta, talking ghetto, acting hard, and along with it, propagating the ideas in the music and elsewhere, of glorified violence, crime, misogyny and promiscuity, and self-indulgence in all things material. If a youth acts, talks, dresses like that, the perception is *never* going to be positive, regardless of whether that youth is actually from a low-SES background, or if he's upper-middle class from suburbia (and they do it) and it ultimately ends up at best perpetuating and at worst worsening the perceptions, thereby collectively dragging all AA youth down.

Perceptions aren't always reality but perceptions often end up being what the battles are won and lost on.

I am AA and no way do I promote this as my culture

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In fact, I see many white teens with tats and dressing "gangsta," but they don't seem to be perceived as that. It is understood that they are adopting a style of dress for a moment in time. Why is it when AA teenagers do the same, the perception is their dress denotes their personality, habits and lifestyle, not only for the moment, but for their lives?

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From the New York Times's Bob Herbert (12/12/93): Jesse Jackson is traveling the country with a tough anti-crime message that he is delivering to inner-city youngsters. In Chicago he said, "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery” then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved."

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We Can't Blame the White People Any Longer - Bill Cosby

They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something? Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?

What part of Africa did this come from? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed.

Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands'; or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^^^^^^^^

In fact, I see many white teens with tats and dressing "gangsta," but they don't seem to be perceived as that. It is understood that they are adopting a style of dress for a moment in time. Why is it when AA teenagers do the same, the perception is their dress denotes their personality, habits and lifestyle, not only for the moment, but for their lives?

There are people will cross to the other side of the street when they see white teens dressed that way, though probably not as many as would if it were AA teens.

The other side of it is that in looking at the statistics, that's another discussion. It's the AA teens who are several times more likely to actually follow through in the violence and crime, to not show respect for women and others, to knock a girl up and not man up and take responsibility, to try and live large and piss away money on ostentatious nonsense as fast as they get it rather than managing it responsibly and so on - they go farther than just trying to look the part.

Regardless of their color, kids come across as douchebags when they dress and act that way. You don't get culture, identity, social freedom, social rebellion or whatever it is that teens like to think they are doing by buying it off the rack at some store - it just shows you are a sucker buying into somebody's clever marketing.

With the tattoos, the sagging pants, the attitude, the grill or the half pound of various pieces of metal hanging out of your face from piercings - it's also not at all going to go over favorably on a job interview regardless of color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We Can't Blame the White People Any Longer - Bill Cosby

They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something? Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?

What part of Africa did this come from? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed.

Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands'; or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

THIS.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, I will make sure I tell my husband that. The last time we were at Politics and Prose, the white woman next to us grabbed her purse when she saw my husband. He looks as innocent and suburban as they come. I guess that was our "victimhood" and we imagined it.

There are plenty of neurotic and anxious people out there who will clutch their purses to themselves whenever ANYONE is near, regardless of color.

Exactly, and some people, accustomed to or expecting discrimination, will perceive every purse-clutching as another example of it.

Right... And, we've all seen things like the little AA grannies who pull their purses tight to themselves when there's rowdy young AA males around. Following the logic presented, that would make those AA grannies racist.

I would not call her racist, but I do believe this and think that it is sad that the perception of our boys goes beyond white people to all people. It's the images that we all see. I know that it is a reality b/c I have 2 black sons. I too have to stop myself from the perception. I am very aware of the stereotype that I myself sometimes fall into.

The AA community has not done itself many favors where it comes to what it promotes as "AA culture" - when you have AA youth emulating along the lines of many popular icons, getting tatted up and dressing gangsta, talking ghetto, acting hard, and along with it, propagating the ideas in the music and elsewhere, of glorified violence, crime, misogyny and promiscuity, and self-indulgence in all things material. If a youth acts, talks, dresses like that, the perception is *never* going to be positive, regardless of whether that youth is actually from a low-SES background, or if he's upper-middle class from suburbia (and they do it) and it ultimately ends up at best perpetuating and at worst worsening the perceptions, thereby collectively dragging all AA youth down.

Perceptions aren't always reality but perceptions often end up being what the battles are won and lost on.

Do you even know any black people? We have to live with being painted with the same broad brush...it really sucks. This does not happen to white people. I don't view my white friends as one monolithic group, with the same views and same upbringing.

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Anonymous wrote:Name a school in the District where anyone finds it "acceptable" for an AA student to be called "nigger".

To demonstrate how ridiculous this discussion is: To tell from a recent speech there, Dunbar seems to be acceptable grounds to unearth otherwise unacceptable racist slurs.

"otherwise unacceptable" - acceptable for AAs to keep the slur alive and going. Memo to Rev. Sharpton.

This is bs. Do you even know the context of the speech? He was actually denouncing the n-word. FOOL.

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Who's the clueless person who has an African as a friend. Then to emphasize that the person is darker. That statement has us at a happy hour laughing our asses off.

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The AA community has not done itself many favors where it comes to what it promotes as "AA culture" - when you have AA youth emulating along the lines of many popular icons, getting tatted up and dressing gangsta, talking ghetto, acting hard, and along with it, propagating the ideas in the music and elsewhere, of glorified violence, crime, misogyny and promiscuity, and self-indulgence in all things material. If a youth acts, talks, dresses like that, the perception is *never* going to be positive, regardless of whether that youth is actually from a low-SES background, or if he's upper-middle class from suburbia (and they do it) and it ultimately ends up at best perpetuating and at worst worsening the perceptions, thereby collectively dragging all AA youth down.

Perceptions aren't always reality but perceptions often end up being what the battles are won and lost on.

Have you conveniently forgotten all the white kids who have embraced the tat culture from neck to toe. What about the white kids who have embraced heavy metal and the goth look. The white kids walking around talking all ghetto and trailer trash with their beer cans and snuff. The videos on MTV that promotes misogyny and promiscuity.

Heck, white girls make sex tapes and get their own reality shows, indulging in all things material. If a white youth acts, talks dresses and talks like that, well we can all assume that they are representative of the entire race. That is, that all white girls are cheap talking whores who desire to make their own sex tapes so they can become the next next infamous reality star.

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Anonymous wrote:Who's the clueless person who has an African as a friend. Then to emphasize that the person is darker. That statement has us at a happy hour laughing our asses off.

You mean there's no more need for the term "high tone?"

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Anonymous wrote:Who's the clueless person who has an African as a friend. Then to emphasize that the person is darker. That statement has us at a happy hour laughing our asses off.

You mean there's no more need for the term "high tone?"
Or high yellow?