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Anonymous wrote:Who's the clueless person who has an African as a friend. Then to emphasize that the person is darker. That statement has us at a happy hour laughing our asses off.

Clueless person here -- what's so funny?

She has a french accent too that sets her apart -- do you find that hilarious as well?

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In fact, I see many white teens with tats and dressing "gangsta," but they don't seem to be perceived as that. It is understood that they are adopting a style of dress for a moment in time. Why is it when AA teenagers do the same, the perception is their dress denotes their personality, habits and lifestyle, not only for the moment, but for their lives?

The other side of it is that in looking at the statistics, that's another discussion. It's the AA teens who are several times more likely to actually follow through in the violence and crime, to not show respect for women and others, to knock a girl up and not man up and take responsibility, to try and live large and piss away money on ostentatious nonsense as fast as they get it rather than managing it responsibly and so on - they go farther than just trying to look the part.

Quote your sources for these statements, please, otherwise we can assume you are just one of the many getting your information from general perception or slanted media.

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In fact, I see many white teens with tats and dressing "gangsta," but they don't seem to be perceived as that. It is understood that they are adopting a style of dress for a moment in time. Why is it when AA teenagers do the same, the perception is their dress denotes their personality, habits and lifestyle, not only for the moment, but for their lives?

The other side of it is that in looking at the statistics, that's another discussion. It's the AA teens who are several times more likely to actually follow through in the violence and crime, to not show respect for women and others, to knock a girl up and not man up and take responsibility, to try and live large and piss away money on ostentatious nonsense as fast as they get it rather than managing it responsibly and so on - they go farther than just trying to look the part.

Quote your sources for these statements, please, otherwise we can assume you are just one of the many getting your information from general perception or slanted media.

Denial in action. Check crime statistics. Check unwed motherhood statistics. There is concrete evidence out there, all you have to do is open your eyes.

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Anonymous wrote:Who's the clueless person who has an African as a friend. Then to emphasize that the person is darker. That statement has us at a happy hour laughing our asses off.

Clueless person here -- what's so funny?

She has a french accent too that sets her apart -- do you find that hilarious as well?

What the self-proclaimed drunks laughing their asses off at happy hour missed is that here is someone with even darker skin than you, who by virtue of growing up abroad is even less integrated than you, and with a foreign accent to boot (meaning, a potentially far bigger target to racists and xenophobe discriminators than you) who is NOT experiencing or seeing the supposed racism and exclusion that you keep harping on. I likewise have friends from Ghana, Cote D'Ivoire and other countries Africa who came here who say the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Who's the clueless person who has an African as a friend. Then to emphasize that the person is darker. That statement has us at a happy hour laughing our asses off.

Clueless person here -- what's so funny?

She has a french accent too that sets her apart -- do you find that hilarious as well?

So did Angela Davis. You might want to try google

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In fact, I see many white teens with tats and dressing "gangsta," but they don't seem to be perceived as that. It is understood that they are adopting a style of dress for a moment in time. Why is it when AA teenagers do the same, the perception is their dress denotes their personality, habits and lifestyle, not only for the moment, but for their lives?

The other side of it is that in looking at the statistics, that's another discussion. It's the AA teens who are several times more likely to actually follow through in the violence and crime, to not show respect for women and others, to knock a girl up and not man up and take responsibility, to try and live large and piss away money on ostentatious nonsense as fast as they get it rather than managing it responsibly and so on - they go farther than just trying to look the part.

White girls abort their unborn babies at a disproportionate higher rate than black girls. I remember years ago, a whit girlfriend being utterly surprised when she found out I had never had an abortion. She said that all her white girl friends who attended high school with her in ling island and later in college had at least one abortion. I was the first educated person she had befriended who had never undergone the procedure. I was also her first black girlfriend.

After years of meeting and talking to others, both black and white, her experience and observations were not unique

Quote your sources for these statements, please, otherwise we can assume you are just one of the many getting your information from general perception or slanted media.

Denial in action. Check crime statistics. Check unwed motherhood statistics. There is concrete evidence out there, all you have to do is open your eyes.

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Anonymous wrote:Who's the clueless person who has an African as a friend. Then to emphasize that the person is darker. That statement has us at a happy hour laughing our asses off.

Clueless person here -- what's so funny?

She has a french accent too that sets her apart -- do you find that hilarious as well?

What the self-proclaimed drunks laughing their asses off at happy hour missed is that here is someone with even darker skin than you, who by virtue of growing up abroad is even less integrated than you, and with a foreign accent to boot (meaning, a potentially far bigger target to racists and xenophobe discriminators than you) who is NOT experiencing or seeing the supposed racism and exclusion that you keep harping on. I likewise have friends from Ghana, Cote D'Ivoire and other countries Africa who came here who say the same.

Different poster, but I think you are lying. I doubt very seriously that you have black friends from any country with this attitude. Nope, you are pulling shit out of your ass on an anonymous board. Considering that I have experienced significant time in different countries on the continent of Africa, I know that even in those countries there is racism, colorism, and classism.

ALS

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Anonymous wrote:Oooo, this dialogue has become interesting. Who's next on the "wait til I tell you my plight" story?

You know white people suffer sooooo much! They always have to share their plight.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, I will make sure I tell my husband that. The last time we were at Politics and Prose, the white woman next to us grabbed her purse when she saw my husband. He looks as innocent and suburban as they come. I guess that was our "victimhood" and we imagined it.

There are plenty of neurotic and anxious people out there who will clutch their purses to themselves whenever ANYONE is near, regardless of color.

Exactly, and some people, accustomed to or expecting discrimination, will perceive every purse-clutching as another example of it.

Right... And, we've all seen things like the little AA grannies who pull their purses tight to themselves when there's rowdy young AA males around. Following the logic presented, that would make those AA grannies racist.

I would not call her racist, but I do believe this and think that it is sad that the perception of our boys goes beyond white people to all people. It's the images that we all see. I know that it is a reality b/c I have 2 black sons. I too have to stop myself from the perception. I am very aware of the stereotype that I myself sometimes fall into.

The AA community has not done itself many favors where it comes to what it promotes as "AA culture" - when you have AA youth emulating along the lines of many popular icons, getting tatted up and dressing gangsta, talking ghetto, acting hard, and along with it, propagating the ideas in the music and elsewhere, of glorified violence, crime, misogyny and promiscuity, and self-indulgence in all things material. If a youth acts, talks, dresses like that, the perception is *never* going to be positive, regardless of whether that youth is actually from a low-SES background, or if he's upper-middle class from suburbia (and they do it) and it ultimately ends up at best perpetuating and at worst worsening the perceptions, thereby collectively dragging all AA youth down.

Perceptions aren't always reality but perceptions often end up being what the battles are won and lost on.

Wow as I read your description I am reminded of white punk rockers or skinheads. I wonder why those populations don't speak for the entire White community. Go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, I will make sure I tell my husband that. The last time we were at Politics and Prose, the white woman next to us grabbed her purse when she saw my husband. He looks as innocent and suburban as they come. I guess that was our "victimhood" and we imagined it.

There are plenty of neurotic and anxious people out there who will clutch their purses to themselves whenever ANYONE is near, regardless of color.

Exactly, and some people, accustomed to or expecting discrimination, will perceive every purse-clutching as another example of it.

Right... And, we've all seen things like the little AA grannies who pull their purses tight to themselves when there's rowdy young AA males around. Following the logic presented, that would make those AA grannies racist.

I would not call her racist, but I do believe this and think that it is sad that the perception of our boys goes beyond white people to all people. It's the images that we all see. I know that it is a reality b/c I have 2 black sons. I too have to stop myself from the perception. I am very aware of the stereotype that I myself sometimes fall into.

The AA community has not done itself many favors where it comes to what it promotes as "AA culture" - when you have AA youth emulating along the lines of many popular icons, getting tatted up and dressing gangsta, talking ghetto, acting hard, and along with it, propagating the ideas in the music and elsewhere, of glorified violence, crime, misogyny and promiscuity, and self-indulgence in all things material. If a youth acts, talks, dresses like that, the perception is *never* going to be positive, regardless of whether that youth is actually from a low-SES background, or if he's upper-middle class from suburbia (and they do it) and it ultimately ends up at best perpetuating and at worst worsening the perceptions, thereby collectively dragging all AA youth down.

Perceptions aren't always reality but perceptions often end up being what the battles are won and lost on.

Wow as I read your description I am reminded of white punk rockers or skinheads. I wonder why those populations don't speak for the entire White community. Go figure.

Because they are openly disdained by the mainstream white community.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, I will make sure I tell my husband that. The last time we were at Politics and Prose, the white woman next to us grabbed her purse when she saw my husband. He looks as innocent and suburban as they come. I guess that was our "victimhood" and we imagined it.

There are plenty of neurotic and anxious people out there who will clutch their purses to themselves whenever ANYONE is near, regardless of color.

Exactly, and some people, accustomed to or expecting discrimination, will perceive every purse-clutching as another example of it.

Right... And, we've all seen things like the little AA grannies who pull their purses tight to themselves when there's rowdy young AA males around. Following the logic presented, that would make those AA grannies racist.

I would not call her racist, but I do believe this and think that it is sad that the perception of our boys goes beyond white people to all people. It's the images that we all see. I know that it is a reality b/c I have 2 black sons. I too have to stop myself from the perception. I am very aware of the stereotype that I myself sometimes fall into.

The AA community has not done itself many favors where it comes to what it promotes as "AA culture" - when you have AA youth emulating along the lines of many popular icons, getting tatted up and dressing gangsta, talking ghetto, acting hard, and along with it, propagating the ideas in the music and elsewhere, of glorified violence, crime, misogyny and promiscuity, and self-indulgence in all things material. If a youth acts, talks, dresses like that, the perception is *never* going to be positive, regardless of whether that youth is actually from a low-SES background, or if he's upper-middle class from suburbia (and they do it) and it ultimately ends up at best perpetuating and at worst worsening the perceptions, thereby collectively dragging all AA youth down.

Perceptions aren't always reality but perceptions often end up being what the battles are won and lost on.

Wow as I read your description I am reminded of white punk rockers or skinheads. I wonder why those populations don't speak for the entire White community. Go figure.

They don't speak for the entire population in either case, but the perceptions exist - as you just demonstrated they exist of white people.

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Anonymous wrote:Who's the clueless person who has an African as a friend. Then to emphasize that the person is darker. That statement has us at a happy hour laughing our asses off.

Clueless person here -- what's so funny?

She has a french accent too that sets her apart -- do you find that hilarious as well?

What the self-proclaimed drunks laughing their asses off at happy hour missed is that here is someone with even darker skin than you, who by virtue of growing up abroad is even less integrated than you, and with a foreign accent to boot (meaning, a potentially far bigger target to racists and xenophobe discriminators than you) who is NOT experiencing or seeing the supposed racism and exclusion that you keep harping on. I likewise have friends from Ghana, Cote D'Ivoire and other countries Africa who came here who say the same.

Different poster, but I think you are lying. I doubt very seriously that you have black friends from any country with this attitude. Nope, you are pulling shit out of your ass on an anonymous board. Considering that I have experienced significant time in different countries on the continent of Africa, I know that even in those countries there is racism, colorism, and classism.

ALS

Nobody is saying that racism, colorism, or classism don't exist. Yes, they exist. But, today it only exists in isolated pockets here and there, as opposed to being the open, overt, wholescale institutional thing of years ago that's still being constantly referred to. And the point is that many people coming here from other countries see that, as compared to the racism, colorism, and classism of their own country and other countries. They have a fresh perspective, whereas those who are still stuck in the ideas and ideologies of decades ago do not.

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Anonymous wrote:How ironic I was at a volunteer recognition program and I had the pleasure to meet three parents that have children enrolled at HUMS. All raved about the school and one parent called the principal and let me have a conversation. The coach at the receiving school said that his athlete of the year came from HUMS, played 4 varsity sports and maintained a 4.0. All the parents said the technology at the school is very up to date. The math and science curriculum is vigorous and substantial. There are many educators and college professors who have their own children enrolled at HUMS. Which makes the school a special jewel in regards of having the "it" factor. We all know what I mean in regards to the "it" factor?

Howard, go on with your bad self! Who would of thought AAs investing in education and it is working

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I don't think you have a good grasp of what "ironic" means.

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That point got lost in the bickering somewhere.

HUMS & Banneker are schools with great programs. I would reccomend parents of all hues to visit these places and discover for yourself the quality of the experience there.

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Not lying -- try asking some people if they take on the attitudes/perceptions/beliefs of a certain group just because they physically resemble them.

This does not apply just to Africans, but to any ethnic group.

An Italian teenager from Italy is not likely to have much in common with a 4th generation Italian-american kid from New Jersey -- except looks.