JLG vs McDuffie on public schools

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Anonymous wrote:Not all teachers, but many fail to understand that WTU being adversarial to parent interests to advocate for teacher interests- which is good, this is what a union is for- leads to parents taking an adversarial stance to advocate for their interests.

It’s not hostility it’s just people realizing they need to actively advocate for themselves

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And if parents who oppose the WTU on some issues must "hate teachers" then I guess WTU members who oppose parents on some issues "hate parents." That relationship is a two way street.

If I were a teacher I’d for sure hate parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Cannot vote for any candidate endorsed by the WTU.

So you hate teachers then?

NP. I hate the WTU. I think they are crooked. They are a detriment to our kids' education. I also love teachers.

If you can't differentiate between teachers and the WTU then...you probably collect a paycheck from the WTU.

Teachers are the WTU. So yes you hate teachers.

The self delusion of some people is really astonishing. To claim you don’t hate teachers but hate the WTU is not only wild, but completely divorced from reality. WTU represents 90-95% of DCPS teachers, so if said person is claiming they hate WTU, they definitely hate public school teachers at the very least.

This 100 percent. When posters say they hate the union, they mean they want the right to treat teachers like their servants, hover over them like the Gestapo, interfere with their ability to do their jobs, judge them for being successful or failing at what they do notwithstanding that they themselves are no more qualified to judge then vice-versa, and fire them at will. They want the right to be adverse to teachers and not to work in tandem with that. And that means they hate teachers, and that the WTU is necessary to protect teachers from their haters.

Sorry, but Covid exposed a lot of teacher's unions - including WTU - for what they really are. This is all a lot of BS. And I support unions in general.

Oh please. The teacher's union exists to protect teachers, not students, and teachers didn't want to die. It's not that complicated.

You sound like Trump trying to re-write the history of Jan. 6.

I'm not saying that their fear was justified. Not in hindsight, at least. But lots of people lost their minds in the once-in-100-years pandemic. My real point was that the teachers' union looks out for teachers, not students, and that shouldn't be a surprise to you.

DP. It's not a surprise anymore but this is EXACTLY why many parents have decided to hate the WTU.

During the pandemic, the WTU advocated for teachers over the interests of kids and families. That's their right, but as a parent, I don't have like an organization that advocated for policies that actively hurt my kids. I can hate that organization if I want. And I do! See how that works.

You can't have it both ways. Why would I like or care about an organization that will happily throw my child under the bus?

This is why I can't support JLG. The conduct of WTU during the pandemic was nothing short of evil, and JLG bent over backwards to do WTU's bidding. We need a mayor who will stand up to them.

Exactly. The only reason any DC school reopened was because Bowser did eventually stand up to them. And countrywide, that's how it worked too in major urban centers.

I don't think that hating WTU is the same as "hating teachers" what ridiculousness is that. Not every teacher even agreed with what their union was doing at that time. The fact that others were stepping up as essential workers and teachers were not as per their union's direction will go down in history as shameful.

Also, the politics of unions are such that teachers have to join their union in order to access the pay rates they want and to negotiate. It does not mean they all agree uniformly with every decision made. It also means that we, the parents of schoolchildren, need to push back on this union and the mayor is the one to represent us in doing so.

Someone in this city has to represent the interests of kids and their parents. As we saw most vividly during the pandemic, that's not WTU, and if we have a mayor like JLG who backs WTU 1000 percent of the time, then parents and kids will have no say in anything.

The idea that teachers wanted to stay virtual indefinitely is simply false, and repeating it doesn’t make it true. Most of us were ready to return and we negotiated the terms and came back.

Families have a voice in their children’s education, but that doesn’t mean they have more expertise than the people actually working in these schools. On funding: voting based on accurate information matters, because cuts to DCPS affect real students and real communities.

You’d rather have Duff who would like to see both sectors funding cut. JLG is the best choice, she has a track record of getting things done.

Duff gets nothing done and will be getting contracts for family members. Corrupt and he hasn’t even won.

18 months later. They wanted to be back in person so strongly they were one of the last to return!

I emailed JLG when she co sponsored the bill to close schools fall 2021 if covid cases hit a certain threshold. She never emailed back. It is hard for me to vote for her, but, on the other hand, Bowser did want schools open hybrid fall/winter 2020 (along with the majority of school in the US) and got nowhere. Eventually she had to settle for letting individual schools decide which meant that rich NW schools opened hybrid spring 2021 and all other schools stayed closed for 18 months. So what kind of power would JLC have to close or open schools either?

The alternative scheduling stuff is scary especially for younger kids and especially for kids in unsafe, chaotic home enviroments. At best, a lot of kids at home would be on youtube shorts all day. At worst there would be midday spikes in petty crime. Plus anytime time going to school seems optional then chronic truency spikes.

DC empower is one of the worst organizations btw. Except for some of their anti-racism stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Cannot vote for any candidate endorsed by the WTU.

So you hate teachers then?

NP. I hate the WTU. I think they are crooked. They are a detriment to our kids' education. I also love teachers.

If you can't differentiate between teachers and the WTU then...you probably collect a paycheck from the WTU.

Teachers are the WTU. So yes you hate teachers.

The self delusion of some people is really astonishing. To claim you don’t hate teachers but hate the WTU is not only wild, but completely divorced from reality. WTU represents 90-95% of DCPS teachers, so if said person is claiming they hate WTU, they definitely hate public school teachers at the very least.

This 100 percent. When posters say they hate the union, they mean they want the right to treat teachers like their servants, hover over them like the Gestapo, interfere with their ability to do their jobs, judge them for being successful or failing at what they do notwithstanding that they themselves are no more qualified to judge then vice-versa, and fire them at will. They want the right to be adverse to teachers and not to work in tandem with that. And that means they hate teachers, and that the WTU is necessary to protect teachers from their haters.

Sorry, but Covid exposed a lot of teacher's unions - including WTU - for what they really are. This is all a lot of BS. And I support unions in general.

Oh please. The teacher's union exists to protect teachers, not students, and teachers didn't want to die. It's not that complicated.

You sound like Trump trying to re-write the history of Jan. 6.

I'm not saying that their fear was justified. Not in hindsight, at least. But lots of people lost their minds in the once-in-100-years pandemic. My real point was that the teachers' union looks out for teachers, not students, and that shouldn't be a surprise to you.

DP. It's not a surprise anymore but this is EXACTLY why many parents have decided to hate the WTU.

During the pandemic, the WTU advocated for teachers over the interests of kids and families. That's their right, but as a parent, I don't have like an organization that advocated for policies that actively hurt my kids. I can hate that organization if I want. And I do! See how that works.

You can't have it both ways. Why would I like or care about an organization that will happily throw my child under the bus?

This is why I can't support JLG. The conduct of WTU during the pandemic was nothing short of evil, and JLG bent over backwards to do WTU's bidding. We need a mayor who will stand up to them.

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Anonymous wrote:Cannot vote for any candidate endorsed by the WTU.

So you hate teachers then?

NP. I hate the WTU. I think they are crooked. They are a detriment to our kids' education. I also love teachers.

If you can't differentiate between teachers and the WTU then...you probably collect a paycheck from the WTU.

Teachers are the WTU. So yes you hate teachers.

The self delusion of some people is really astonishing. To claim you don’t hate teachers but hate the WTU is not only wild, but completely divorced from reality. WTU represents 90-95% of DCPS teachers, so if said person is claiming they hate WTU, they definitely hate public school teachers at the very least.

This 100 percent. When posters say they hate the union, they mean they want the right to treat teachers like their servants, hover over them like the Gestapo, interfere with their ability to do their jobs, judge them for being successful or failing at what they do notwithstanding that they themselves are no more qualified to judge then vice-versa, and fire them at will. They want the right to be adverse to teachers and not to work in tandem with that. And that means they hate teachers, and that the WTU is necessary to protect teachers from their haters.

Sorry, but Covid exposed a lot of teacher's unions - including WTU - for what they really are. This is all a lot of BS. And I support unions in general.

Oh please. The teacher's union exists to protect teachers, not students, and teachers didn't want to die. It's not that complicated.

You sound like Trump trying to re-write the history of Jan. 6.

I'm not saying that their fear was justified. Not in hindsight, at least. But lots of people lost their minds in the once-in-100-years pandemic. My real point was that the teachers' union looks out for teachers, not students, and that shouldn't be a surprise to you.

DP. It's not a surprise anymore but this is EXACTLY why many parents have decided to hate the WTU.

During the pandemic, the WTU advocated for teachers over the interests of kids and families. That's their right, but as a parent, I don't have like an organization that advocated for policies that actively hurt my kids. I can hate that organization if I want. And I do! See how that works.

You can't have it both ways. Why would I like or care about an organization that will happily throw my child under the bus?

This is why I can't support JLG. The conduct of WTU during the pandemic was nothing short of evil, and JLG bent over backwards to do WTU's bidding. We need a mayor who will stand up to them.

Yeah? What exactly did JLG do to do WTU's bidding? Please be specific and provide sources.

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Anonymous wrote:Cannot vote for any candidate endorsed by the WTU.

So you hate teachers then?

NP. I hate the WTU. I think they are crooked. They are a detriment to our kids' education. I also love teachers.

If you can't differentiate between teachers and the WTU then...you probably collect a paycheck from the WTU.

Teachers are the WTU. So yes you hate teachers.

The self delusion of some people is really astonishing. To claim you don’t hate teachers but hate the WTU is not only wild, but completely divorced from reality. WTU represents 90-95% of DCPS teachers, so if said person is claiming they hate WTU, they definitely hate public school teachers at the very least.

This 100 percent. When posters say they hate the union, they mean they want the right to treat teachers like their servants, hover over them like the Gestapo, interfere with their ability to do their jobs, judge them for being successful or failing at what they do notwithstanding that they themselves are no more qualified to judge then vice-versa, and fire them at will. They want the right to be adverse to teachers and not to work in tandem with that. And that means they hate teachers, and that the WTU is necessary to protect teachers from their haters.

Sorry, but Covid exposed a lot of teacher's unions - including WTU - for what they really are. This is all a lot of BS. And I support unions in general.

Oh please. The teacher's union exists to protect teachers, not students, and teachers didn't want to die. It's not that complicated.

You sound like Trump trying to re-write the history of Jan. 6.

I'm not saying that their fear was justified. Not in hindsight, at least. But lots of people lost their minds in the once-in-100-years pandemic. My real point was that the teachers' union looks out for teachers, not students, and that shouldn't be a surprise to you.

DP. It's not a surprise anymore but this is EXACTLY why many parents have decided to hate the WTU.

During the pandemic, the WTU advocated for teachers over the interests of kids and families. That's their right, but as a parent, I don't have like an organization that advocated for policies that actively hurt my kids. I can hate that organization if I want. And I do! See how that works.

You can't have it both ways. Why would I like or care about an organization that will happily throw my child under the bus?

This is why I can't support JLG. The conduct of WTU during the pandemic was nothing short of evil, and JLG bent over backwards to do WTU's bidding. We need a mayor who will stand up to them.

Yeah? What exactly did JLG do to do WTU's bidding? Please be specific and provide sources.

she sponsored a bill in fall 2021 (fall 2021!) to potentially close schools. She is gung ho on alternative scheduling which means things like 1/2 days and asych Fridays. You think she thought of these herself without the WTU?

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Anonymous wrote:Cannot vote for any candidate endorsed by the WTU.

So you hate teachers then?

NP. I hate the WTU. I think they are crooked. They are a detriment to our kids' education. I also love teachers.

If you can't differentiate between teachers and the WTU then...you probably collect a paycheck from the WTU.

Teachers are the WTU. So yes you hate teachers.

The WTU opposed opening during Covid. They don’t act in the best interest of our students. They are a union interested in supporting teachers interests.

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Anonymous wrote:Cannot vote for any candidate endorsed by the WTU.

So you hate teachers then?

NP. I hate the WTU. I think they are crooked. They are a detriment to our kids' education. I also love teachers.

If you can't differentiate between teachers and the WTU then...you probably collect a paycheck from the WTU.

Teachers are the WTU. So yes you hate teachers.

The self delusion of some people is really astonishing. To claim you don’t hate teachers but hate the WTU is not only wild, but completely divorced from reality. WTU represents 90-95% of DCPS teachers, so if said person is claiming they hate WTU, they definitely hate public school teachers at the very least.

But DCPS only represents half of parents. Less than half if you factor in private schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Cannot vote for any candidate endorsed by the WTU.

So you hate teachers then?

NP. I hate the WTU. I think they are crooked. They are a detriment to our kids' education. I also love teachers.

If you can't differentiate between teachers and the WTU then...you probably collect a paycheck from the WTU.

Teachers are the WTU. So yes you hate teachers.

The self delusion of some people is really astonishing. To claim you don’t hate teachers but hate the WTU is not only wild, but completely divorced from reality. WTU represents 90-95% of DCPS teachers, so if said person is claiming they hate WTU, they definitely hate public school teachers at the very least.

This 100 percent. When posters say they hate the union, they mean they want the right to treat teachers like their servants, hover over them like the Gestapo, interfere with their ability to do their jobs, judge them for being successful or failing at what they do notwithstanding that they themselves are no more qualified to judge then vice-versa, and fire them at will. They want the right to be adverse to teachers and not to work in tandem with that. And that means they hate teachers, and that the WTU is necessary to protect teachers from their haters.

Sorry, but Covid exposed a lot of teacher's unions - including WTU - for what they really are. This is all a lot of BS. And I support unions in general.

Oh please. The teacher's union exists to protect teachers, not students, and teachers didn't want to die. It's not that complicated.

You sound like Trump trying to re-write the history of Jan. 6.

I'm not saying that their fear was justified. Not in hindsight, at least. But lots of people lost their minds in the once-in-100-years pandemic. My real point was that the teachers' union looks out for teachers, not students, and that shouldn't be a surprise to you.

DP. It's not a surprise anymore but this is EXACTLY why many parents have decided to hate the WTU.

During the pandemic, the WTU advocated for teachers over the interests of kids and families. That's their right, but as a parent, I don't have like an organization that advocated for policies that actively hurt my kids. I can hate that organization if I want. And I do! See how that works.

You can't have it both ways. Why would I like or care about an organization that will happily throw my child under the bus?

This is why I can't support JLG. The conduct of WTU during the pandemic was nothing short of evil, and JLG bent over backwards to do WTU's bidding. We need a mayor who will stand up to them.

Yeah? What exactly did JLG do to do WTU's bidding? Please be specific and provide sources.

she sponsored a bill in fall 2021 (fall 2021!) to potentially close schools. She is gung ho on alternative scheduling which means things like 1/2 days and asych Fridays. You think she thought of these herself without the WTU?

She was pushing that legislation in 2022, after schools had already been reopened for awhile. It would have created impossible-to-meet Covifd metrics that would have forced schools to close again and remain closed. No one in the DC government fought harder to keep schools closed than JLG.

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Anonymous wrote:Cannot vote for any candidate endorsed by the WTU.

So you hate teachers then?

NP. I hate the WTU. I think they are crooked. They are a detriment to our kids' education. I also love teachers.

If you can't differentiate between teachers and the WTU then...you probably collect a paycheck from the WTU.

Teachers are the WTU. So yes you hate teachers.

The self delusion of some people is really astonishing. To claim you don’t hate teachers but hate the WTU is not only wild, but completely divorced from reality. WTU represents 90-95% of DCPS teachers, so if said person is claiming they hate WTU, they definitely hate public school teachers at the very least.

This 100 percent. When posters say they hate the union, they mean they want the right to treat teachers like their servants, hover over them like the Gestapo, interfere with their ability to do their jobs, judge them for being successful or failing at what they do notwithstanding that they themselves are no more qualified to judge then vice-versa, and fire them at will. They want the right to be adverse to teachers and not to work in tandem with that. And that means they hate teachers, and that the WTU is necessary to protect teachers from their haters.

Sorry, but Covid exposed a lot of teacher's unions - including WTU - for what they really are. This is all a lot of BS. And I support unions in general.

Oh please. The teacher's union exists to protect teachers, not students, and teachers didn't want to die. It's not that complicated.

You sound like Trump trying to re-write the history of Jan. 6.

I'm not saying that their fear was justified. Not in hindsight, at least. But lots of people lost their minds in the once-in-100-years pandemic. My real point was that the teachers' union looks out for teachers, not students, and that shouldn't be a surprise to you.

DP. It's not a surprise anymore but this is EXACTLY why many parents have decided to hate the WTU.

During the pandemic, the WTU advocated for teachers over the interests of kids and families. That's their right, but as a parent, I don't have like an organization that advocated for policies that actively hurt my kids. I can hate that organization if I want. And I do! See how that works.

You can't have it both ways. Why would I like or care about an organization that will happily throw my child under the bus?

This is why I can't support JLG. The conduct of WTU during the pandemic was nothing short of evil, and JLG bent over backwards to do WTU's bidding. We need a mayor who will stand up to them.

Exactly. The only reason any DC school reopened was because Bowser did eventually stand up to them. And countrywide, that's how it worked too in major urban centers.

I don't think that hating WTU is the same as "hating teachers" what ridiculousness is that. Not every teacher even agreed with what their union was doing at that time. The fact that others were stepping up as essential workers and teachers were not as per their union's direction will go down in history as shameful.

Also, the politics of unions are such that teachers have to join their union in order to access the pay rates they want and to negotiate. It does not mean they all agree uniformly with every decision made. It also means that we, the parents of schoolchildren, need to push back on this union and the mayor is the one to represent us in doing so.

Someone in this city has to represent the interests of kids and their parents. As we saw most vividly during the pandemic, that's not WTU, and if we have a mayor like JLG who backs WTU 1000 percent of the time, then parents and kids will have no say in anything.

The idea that teachers wanted to stay virtual indefinitely is simply false, and repeating it doesn’t make it true. Most of us were ready to return and we negotiated the terms and came back.

Families have a voice in their children’s education, but that doesn’t mean they have more expertise than the people actually working in these schools. On funding: voting based on accurate information matters, because cuts to DCPS affect real students and real communities.

You’d rather have Duff who would like to see both sectors funding cut. JLG is the best choice, she has a track record of getting things done.

Duff gets nothing done and will be getting contracts for family members. Corrupt and he hasn’t even won.

Ready to return... 7 months after schools in every other developed country in the world. Sorry, but you don't get a cookie. Now nurses? I will support their unions 10 times out of 10. LOWER call out rates during COVID than usual. Those folks are heroes.

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Anonymous wrote:JLG has been incredibly engaged with Ward 4 education activists and schools. I have my doubts McDuffie could say the same.

I don't think you have to agree with her or with him on specific topics, but I'd much rather go with an engaged mayor on education than one who is not.

I agree she is engaged. I've met her and she is very happy to listen and engage.

But many of her actual ideas are really, really bad. Im coming around to preferring a disengaged person with better ideas to an engaged person with destructive ideas.

An appointed, competent autocrat saved DC from itself. Then we elected him and he did a phenomenal job. People who are arguing that "engagement" of any sort is more important than ideas might want to consider that's the same line of thinking that go Trump elected. "He listens to me, understands my plight and I would want to have a beer with him."

Maybe it has just been a long day, but I have no idea who you are referring to in this thread - who is the autocrat who did a phenomenal job? If we are talking about the mayoral race, are you referencing back to Fenty?

This person was probably talking about Anthony Williams, who was the CFO for DC who balanced the budget, and then went on to become the mayor who brought in enough investment to fuel DC's growth for more than a decade.

DING DING DING!!!!

That was indeed to whom I made reference. I sometimes get frustrated with DCUM posters who seem to have little perspective. Then I see posts like this and realize, they have no perspective. Or institutional memory. Or experience beyond their own existence.

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I can't vote for any candidate who has been endorsed by WTU.

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Anonymous wrote:She hates charters with a passion and supports a plan their funding by $9k+ per child.

I think it’s true that JLG as a mayor will negatively impact charters. There is a constituency of Ward 4 and 5 parents plus WTU who believe that charters are now threatening the progress that DCPS has made. They are smart enough to mostly keep their opinions off this message board, but they want EOTP students who are peeling off for the “good” charters to be rerouted into Wells, Coolidge, etc. They’re probably right, but it’s too soon to unwind the charter school system in DC. And I say this as a gung ho DCPS parent, “low standards” and all.

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Anonymous wrote:Cannot vote for any candidate endorsed by the WTU.

So you hate teachers then?

NP. I hate the WTU. I think they are crooked. They are a detriment to our kids' education. I also love teachers.

If you can't differentiate between teachers and the WTU then...you probably collect a paycheck from the WTU.

Teachers are the WTU. So yes you hate teachers.

The self delusion of some people is really astonishing. To claim you don’t hate teachers but hate the WTU is not only wild, but completely divorced from reality. WTU represents 90-95% of DCPS teachers, so if said person is claiming they hate WTU, they definitely hate public school teachers at the very least.

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This 100 percent. When posters say they hate the union, they mean they want the right to treat teachers like their servants, hover over them like the Gestapo, interfere with their ability to do their jobs, judge them for being successful or failing at what they do notwithstanding that they themselves are no more qualified to judge then vice-versa, and fire them at will. They want the right to be adverse to teachers and not to work in tandem with that. And that means they hate teachers, and that the WTU is necessary to protect teachers from their haters.

Even union people hate teachers unions. Them and police unions are the worst. I remember how the WTU cynically turned the pandemic into the world's longest paid vacation. Our kids are still paying the price.

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Why can’t we have a normal mayor?

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JLG will be Marion Barry in a pantsuit.