TJ Seniors - not allowed to walk at graduation

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Anonymous wrote:My understanding is you still walk with your class, but diploma will be pending until passing required classes even at the University.

Approved to walk is the right call. The young people did not try to fail a class, they will have to deal with it this summer but not walking with the class would be unnecessary torture, what would be the point, to single them out?

They had chances to improve the grade and didn't. So, they kind of did try to fail if they weren't doing what they needed to do to pass.

I think you've replied several times with this ridiculous claim. Just stop. You can't do everything you want either. You too, have tried and failed in your life. It's better for these kids to shoot higher and fail one class, than not try at all.

If they meet FCPS requirements, they should be allowed to walk.

You're as dumb as these kids. “A lot of these students have had opportunities [to improve their grade]. For most of them, the grade isn’t a surprise.

The extra requirement to walk at the ceremony is a surprise and was dropped on the students with little notice. Not surprised since Mukai is a terrible communicator and constantly moves the goalposts on students and staff.

Oh it's you again.
Mukai is enforcing rules. The fact that Bonitatibus didn't enforce rules doesn't make Mukai administratively capricious by enforcing the rules.
I know you didn't like it that he basically sent back entire delegations from historically underrepresented schools after they couldn't keep their GPA above 3.0 and replaced them with Froshmores from "feeder" schools. It's not that the kids were born different, they were trained differently and to take a kid that has spent their entire life at the shallow end of the pool and throwing them in the deep end with kids that have been there their entire life is not a recipe for success. To some extent it is always going to be harder at the underrepresented schools but if you blow smoke and pretend there isn't even a problem in K-8 in those pyramids, you are never going to close the gap.

I don't have a problem with rules being enforced. The problem since Mukai has taken over is that he is a terrible communicator and instead of being transparent about the rules and requirements from the beginning, he drops surprises like this on students and staff and constantly moves the goalposts with no rhyme or reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's fine to scare future parents/students ... TJ may not let you participate in graduation if you don't fulfill TJ graduation requirements.

I would hope next year and going forward, TJ would actually not allow the student to participate in graduation.

Why? This is not a private school, but a public one. These people are graduating from a public school with a state-issued diploma. Why are you so determined to be vengeful on teenagers? Are you worried that someone might think your precious has the stink on them if you don’t obviously humiliate other kids who are still high school graduates?

Especially for the TJ kids, high school graduation is just a stepping stone to other things. I get when I read posts on national Facebook groups of the people going absolutely nuts over high school graduation and realize for some of these kids this may be the pinnacle of their academic achievement and this might be the best they will ever do, and may be the only time other than when they get married that they will have some kind of public event in their honor.

The real world doesn’t care that your kid went to TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My understanding is you still walk with your class, but diploma will be pending until passing required classes even at the University.

Approved to walk is the right call. The young people did not try to fail a class, they will have to deal with it this summer but not walking with the class would be unnecessary torture, what would be the point, to single them out?

They had chances to improve the grade and didn't. So, they kind of did try to fail if they weren't doing what they needed to do to pass.

I think you've replied several times with this ridiculous claim. Just stop. You can't do everything you want either. You too, have tried and failed in your life. It's better for these kids to shoot higher and fail one class, than not try at all.

If they meet FCPS requirements, they should be allowed to walk.

You're as dumb as these kids. “A lot of these students have had opportunities [to improve their grade]. For most of them, the grade isn’t a surprise.

The extra requirement to walk at the ceremony is a surprise and was dropped on the students with little notice. Not surprised since Mukai is a terrible communicator and constantly moves the goalposts on students and staff.

Oh it's you again.
Mukai is enforcing rules. The fact that Bonitatibus didn't enforce rules doesn't make Mukai administratively capricious by enforcing the rules.
I know you didn't like it that he basically sent back entire delegations from historically underrepresented schools after they couldn't keep their GPA above 3.0 and replaced them with Froshmores from "feeder" schools. It's not that the kids were born different, they were trained differently and to take a kid that has spent their entire life at the shallow end of the pool and throwing them in the deep end with kids that have been there their entire life is not a recipe for success. To some extent it is always going to be harder at the underrepresented schools but if you blow smoke and pretend there isn't even a problem in K-8 in those pyramids, you are never going to close the gap.

I don't have a problem with rules being enforced. The problem since Mukai has taken over is that he is a terrible communicator and instead of being transparent about the rules and requirements from the beginning, he drops surprises like this on students and staff and constantly moves the goalposts with no rhyme or reason.

The rhyme and reason seem pretty clear. Did the kids sign up planning to fail classes and not earn the diploma? If they suck at math maybe they should have been at a different school to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's fine to scare future parents/students ... TJ may not let you participate in graduation if you don't fulfill TJ graduation requirements.

I would hope next year and going forward, TJ would actually not allow the student to participate in graduation.

Why? This is not a private school, but a public one. These people are graduating from a public school with a state-issued diploma. Why are you so determined to be vengeful on teenagers? Are you worried that someone might think your precious has the stink on them if you don’t obviously humiliate other kids who are still high school graduates?

Especially for the TJ kids, high school graduation is just a stepping stone to other things. I get when I read posts on national Facebook groups of the people going absolutely nuts over high school graduation and realize for some of these kids this may be the pinnacle of their academic achievement and this might be the best they will ever do, and may be the only time other than when they get married that they will have some kind of public event in their honor.

The real world doesn’t care that your kid went to TJ.

These kids will be graduating at the bottom of the class. They were small fish in a big pond. They would have been better served elsewhere, so why did they want to go there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's fine to scare future parents/students ... TJ may not let you participate in graduation if you don't fulfill TJ graduation requirements.

I would hope next year and going forward, TJ would actually not allow the student to participate in graduation.

Why? This is not a private school, but a public one. These people are graduating from a public school with a state-issued diploma. Why are you so determined to be vengeful on teenagers? Are you worried that someone might think your precious has the stink on them if you don’t obviously humiliate other kids who are still high school graduates?

Especially for the TJ kids, high school graduation is just a stepping stone to other things. I get when I read posts on national Facebook groups of the people going absolutely nuts over high school graduation and realize for some of these kids this may be the pinnacle of their academic achievement and this might be the best they will ever do, and may be the only time other than when they get married that they will have some kind of public event in their honor.

The real world doesn’t care that your kid went to TJ.

These kids will be graduating at the bottom of the class. They were small fish in a big pond. They would have been better served elsewhere, so why did they want to go there?

They went. Maybe it was the hard grading teacher, maybe they hit a wall with calculus. Maybe they got much further than they would have in their home school because more was asked of them. I still don’t get the nastiness towards these kids.

[Anonymous]

Weird sea change at TJ to go from a school where they didn't want to notify students receiving Letters of Commendation for their PSATs for fear it would stigmatize TJ students who were neither National Merit Semifinalists or Commended Students to a school where a principal is threatening not to allow students who meet state requirements to graduate participate in their graduation ceremony.

We really ought to get rid of this school. Let Loudoun apply for a Governor's School and then deal with all the distractions; let the Asians move there if they are so hell-bent on attending an exclusive magnet school; and let FCPS get back to the business of focusing on all of its high schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Adding an important point here.The Math professor Dr J who takes these classes is notorious for her extremely harsh grading not only in TJ but in college campuses as well. many straight A students with excellent GPAs had theirgrades dip to D and Fail due to her. TJ administration has been receving complaints about her since years, and yet have done nothing about the same. Our DD graduated last year and there were so many students who had straight As in other subjects but were sitting at D and Fail grades in her class - the other Math professor Dr Osborne was much better and relatively more lenient in his grading

Dr Osbourne is not an easy grader. But he is a pretty excellent teacher.
I have heard from kids graduating from places like MIT ands CMU say that Dr. Osbourne might be the best math teacher they have had in their life.

+100. My DC was all praise of Dr O and also Dr Gabor and was very grateful that he could learn from Dr Gabor (AI) and Dr. O (AMT)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adding an important point here.The Math professor Dr J who takes these classes is notorious for her extremely harsh grading not only in TJ but in college campuses as well. many straight A students with excellent GPAs had theirgrades dip to D and Fail due to her. TJ administration has been receving complaints about her since years, and yet have done nothing about the same. Our DD graduated last year and there were so many students who had straight As in other subjects but were sitting at D and Fail grades in her class - the other Math professor Dr Osborne was much better and relatively more lenient in his grading

Dr Osbourne is not an easy grader. But he is a pretty excellent teacher.
I have heard from kids graduating from places like MIT ands CMU say that Dr. Osbourne might be the best math teacher they have had in their life.

Dr. Osbourne is an excellent and the best math teacher my kid has ever had. But he's not an easy grader. My TJ kid got A- in Dr. O's math classes. But attended a top college (Stanford/Harvard/MIT/Princeton/Caltech) as a math major and credits Dr. Osbourne for their math success in college. I remember them saying that their freshman math class at college was easier than Dr. Osborne's tests.

Makes the lower level weed-out classes for top engineering colleges easy to navigate. Thanks Dr. O!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Weird sea change at TJ to go from a school where they didn't want to notify students receiving Letters of Commendation for their PSATs for fear it would stigmatize TJ students who were neither National Merit Semifinalists or Commended Students to a school where a principal is threatening not to allow students who meet state requirements to graduate participate in their graduation ceremony.

We really ought to get rid of this school. Let Loudoun apply for a Governor's School and then deal with all the distractions; let the Asians move there if they are so hell-bent on attending an exclusive magnet school; and let FCPS get back to the business of focusing on all of its high schools.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adding an important point here.The Math professor Dr J who takes these classes is notorious for her extremely harsh grading not only in TJ but in college campuses as well. many straight A students with excellent GPAs had theirgrades dip to D and Fail due to her. TJ administration has been receving complaints about her since years, and yet have done nothing about the same. Our DD graduated last year and there were so many students who had straight As in other subjects but were sitting at D and Fail grades in her class - the other Math professor Dr Osborne was much better and relatively more lenient in his grading

The teacher quoted was "AP Calculus BC teacher Marianne Razzino"

No - The teacher quoted here is Jirari Scavotto, Alouf (known in TJ as Dr J)- One of the nastiest human beings and a sadist - someone the school has 100s of complaints against, and will still not throw out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My understanding is you still walk with your class, but diploma will be pending until passing required classes even at the University.

Approved to walk is the right call. The young people did not try to fail a class, they will have to deal with it this summer but not walking with the class would be unnecessary torture, what would be the point, to single them out?

They had chances to improve the grade and didn't. So, they kind of did try to fail if they weren't doing what they needed to do to pass.

I think you've replied several times with this ridiculous claim. Just stop. You can't do everything you want either. You too, have tried and failed in your life. It's better for these kids to shoot higher and fail one class, than not try at all.

If they meet FCPS requirements, they should be allowed to walk.

You're as dumb as these kids. “A lot of these students have had opportunities [to improve their grade]. For most of them, the grade isn’t a surprise.

The extra requirement to walk at the ceremony is a surprise and was dropped on the students with little notice. Not surprised since Mukai is a terrible communicator and constantly moves the goalposts on students and staff.

Oh it's you again.
Mukai is enforcing rules. The fact that Bonitatibus didn't enforce rules doesn't make Mukai administratively capricious by enforcing the rules.
I know you didn't like it that he basically sent back entire delegations from historically underrepresented schools after they couldn't keep their GPA above 3.0 and replaced them with Froshmores from "feeder" schools. It's not that the kids were born different, they were trained differently and to take a kid that has spent their entire life at the shallow end of the pool and throwing them in the deep end with kids that have been there their entire life is not a recipe for success. To some extent it is always going to be harder at the underrepresented schools but if you blow smoke and pretend there isn't even a problem in K-8 in those pyramids, you are never going to close the gap.

I don't have a problem with rules being enforced. The problem since Mukai has taken over is that he is a terrible communicator and instead of being transparent about the rules and requirements from the beginning, he drops surprises like this on students and staff and constantly moves the goalposts with no rhyme or reason.

I am wondering why the faculty, staff students and families of WSHS all think he is so great?

He certainly more honest that Bonitatibus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's fine to scare future parents/students ... TJ may not let you participate in graduation if you don't fulfill TJ graduation requirements.

I would hope next year and going forward, TJ would actually not allow the student to participate in graduation.

Why? This is not a private school, but a public one. These people are graduating from a public school with a state-issued diploma. Why are you so determined to be vengeful on teenagers? Are you worried that someone might think your precious has the stink on them if you don’t obviously humiliate other kids who are still high school graduates?

Especially for the TJ kids, high school graduation is just a stepping stone to other things. I get when I read posts on national Facebook groups of the people going absolutely nuts over high school graduation and realize for some of these kids this may be the pinnacle of their academic achievement and this might be the best they will ever do, and may be the only time other than when they get married that they will have some kind of public event in their honor.

The real world doesn’t care that your kid went to TJ.

These kids will be graduating at the bottom of the class. They were small fish in a big pond. They would have been better served elsewhere, so why did they want to go there?

They went. Maybe it was the hard grading teacher, maybe they hit a wall with calculus. Maybe they got much further than they would have in their home school because more was asked of them. I still don’t get the nastiness towards these kids.

Nobody hates these kids, we pity them. We are angry with FCPS board for using these kids as props in their diversity virtue signalling and we should do our best to prevent kids finding themselves in this situation going forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adding an important point here.The Math professor Dr J who takes these classes is notorious for her extremely harsh grading not only in TJ but in college campuses as well. many straight A students with excellent GPAs had theirgrades dip to D and Fail due to her. TJ administration has been receving complaints about her since years, and yet have done nothing about the same. Our DD graduated last year and there were so many students who had straight As in other subjects but were sitting at D and Fail grades in her class - the other Math professor Dr Osborne was much better and relatively more lenient in his grading

The teacher quoted was "AP Calculus BC teacher Marianne Razzino"

No - The teacher quoted here is Jirari Scavotto, Alouf (known in TJ as Dr J)- One of the nastiest human beings and a sadist - someone the school has 100s of complaints against, and will still not throw out

From the tjToday article linked in the first post:

Graduates of the class of 2026 are the first to graduate with this condition. According to counselor Sean Burke and AP Calculus BC teacher Marianne Razzino, students who failed calculus in the past and didn’t receive a Jefferson diploma were still allowed to walk with their class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's fine to scare future parents/students ... TJ may not let you participate in graduation if you don't fulfill TJ graduation requirements.

I would hope next year and going forward, TJ would actually not allow the student to participate in graduation.

Why? This is not a private school, but a public one. These people are graduating from a public school with a state-issued diploma. Why are you so determined to be vengeful on teenagers? Are you worried that someone might think your precious has the stink on them if you don’t obviously humiliate other kids who are still high school graduates?

Especially for the TJ kids, high school graduation is just a stepping stone to other things. I get when I read posts on national Facebook groups of the people going absolutely nuts over high school graduation and realize for some of these kids this may be the pinnacle of their academic achievement and this might be the best they will ever do, and may be the only time other than when they get married that they will have some kind of public event in their honor.

The real world doesn’t care that your kid went to TJ.

These kids will be graduating at the bottom of the class. They were small fish in a big pond. They would have been better served elsewhere, so why did they want to go there?

They went. Maybe it was the hard grading teacher, maybe they hit a wall with calculus. Maybe they got much further than they would have in their home school because more was asked of them. I still don’t get the nastiness towards these kids.

Nobody hates these kids, we pity them. We are angry with FCPS board for using these kids as props in their diversity virtue signalling and we should do our best to prevent kids finding themselves in this situation going forward.

How is it any of your concern if it’s not your child? Why are you pitying anyone? And are you SURE they’re all the poor/non-Asian ones? You certainly seem to be doing the opposite of virtue signaling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's fine to scare future parents/students ... TJ may not let you participate in graduation if you don't fulfill TJ graduation requirements.

I would hope next year and going forward, TJ would actually not allow the student to participate in graduation.

Why? This is not a private school, but a public one. These people are graduating from a public school with a state-issued diploma. Why are you so determined to be vengeful on teenagers? Are you worried that someone might think your precious has the stink on them if you don’t obviously humiliate other kids who are still high school graduates?

Especially for the TJ kids, high school graduation is just a stepping stone to other things. I get when I read posts on national Facebook groups of the people going absolutely nuts over high school graduation and realize for some of these kids this may be the pinnacle of their academic achievement and this might be the best they will ever do, and may be the only time other than when they get married that they will have some kind of public event in their honor.

The real world doesn’t care that your kid went to TJ.

I don’t think it’s being vengeful, but it is frustrating if kids who can’t meet the requirements are allowed to go all the way through when there are thousands of kids who did not get in who may have been able to actually do all the work (my kid got in so I’m not just being bitter).