Legal for businesses to exclude a race?

[Anonymous]

Morally, I don't think there's anything wrong with providing a service that is explicitly designed for a particular group, as long as it is not definitively discriminatory against other groups. Basically, you can bring your white or asian or hispanic or black transgender friend that worships Zog and not have it be an issue for the company. Fees may apply.

Legally, I have no idea. I don't speak that language. Big word gibberish that can be used to justify anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Morally, I don't think there's anything wrong with providing a service that is explicitly designed for a particular group, as long as it is not definitively discriminatory against other groups. Basically, you can bring your white or asian or hispanic or black transgender friend that worships Zog and not have it be an issue for the company. Fees may apply.

Legally, I have no idea. I don't speak that language. Big word gibberish that can be used to justify anything.

If it was actually profitable more people would try it but turns out it's not that easy to find customers so the more people your products and services appeal to the better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you want to go to a class that’s created for marginalzied people of color if you are not part of that group?

My question was about the legality of offering classes that excluded one or two racial groups.

Way to make assumptions. To answer your question, I am part of the “marginalized people of color” and one class that would work for me and my White husband, isn’t available to him.

And as a marginalized person of color, I would be offended if there was a class that was not open to me. But it appears to be legal, so I’ll either not take the class or wait until one opens up that works for our schedule.

Interesting choice for you to jump straight to ‘legality’ questions. You could have asked if a non person of color would be welcome, you could have asked how best to approach the offerer of the class….

You chose to go straight for the ‘stick’ that legality implies. Thats a bigger assumption than I made.

Read the room OP, in this climate organizations are getting sued for even attempting to serve minority populations. Your question doesn’t exist in a vacuum.

Np. Agree. Op you sound like an ass. Are you really trying to get some mom and pop place in trouble by getting legal issues involved?? How karen of you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would you want to go to a class that’s created for marginalzied people of color if you are not part of that group?

My question was about the legality of offering classes that excluded one or two racial groups.

Way to make assumptions. To answer your question, I am part of the “marginalized people of color” and one class that would work for me and my White husband, isn’t available to him.

And as a marginalized person of color, I would be offended if there was a class that was not open to me. But it appears to be legal, so I’ll either not take the class or wait until one opens up that works for our schedule.

Businesses discriminating by race is not legal in the USA.

I can’t believe that so many people don’t know this basic fact of our society. What exactly do you think the civil rights protests about segregated water fountains and “no colored allowed” signs at restaurants were all about? This is basic history. Racial discrimination by a business is highly illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would you want to go to a class that’s created for marginalzied people of color if you are not part of that group?

My question was about the legality of offering classes that excluded one or two racial groups.

Way to make assumptions. To answer your question, I am part of the “marginalized people of color” and one class that would work for me and my White husband, isn’t available to him.

And as a marginalized person of color, I would be offended if there was a class that was not open to me. But it appears to be legal, so I’ll either not take the class or wait until one opens up that works for our schedule.

Interesting choice for you to jump straight to ‘legality’ questions. You could have asked if a non person of color would be welcome, you could have asked how best to approach the offerer of the class….

You chose to go straight for the ‘stick’ that legality implies. Thats a bigger assumption than I made.

Read the room OP, in this climate organizations are getting sued for even attempting to serve minority populations. Your question doesn’t exist in a vacuum.

Np. Agree. Op you sound like an ass. Are you really trying to get some mom and pop place in trouble by getting legal issues involved?? How karen of you

What?! It’s actually perfectly reasonable and a good thing to fight against racial discrimination in all cases. Why would any reasonable person think otherwise? Screw racists they don’t deserve any favors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you want to go to a class that’s created for marginalzied people of color if you are not part of that group?

My question was about the legality of offering classes that excluded one or two racial groups.

Way to make assumptions. To answer your question, I am part of the “marginalized people of color” and one class that would work for me and my White husband, isn’t available to him.

And as a marginalized person of color, I would be offended if there was a class that was not open to me. But it appears to be legal, so I’ll either not take the class or wait until one opens up that works for our schedule.

You're a protected class though, not everyone is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would you want to go to a class that’s created for marginalzied people of color if you are not part of that group?

My question was about the legality of offering classes that excluded one or two racial groups.

Way to make assumptions. To answer your question, I am part of the “marginalized people of color” and one class that would work for me and my White husband, isn’t available to him.

And as a marginalized person of color, I would be offended if there was a class that was not open to me. But it appears to be legal, so I’ll either not take the class or wait until one opens up that works for our schedule.

Businesses discriminating by race is not legal in the USA.

I can’t believe that so many people don’t know this basic fact of our society. What exactly do you think the civil rights protests about segregated water fountains and “no colored allowed” signs at restaurants were all about? This is basic history. Racial discrimination by a business is highly illegal.

For a *public* business. Private businesses, like country clubs, still can discriminate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a constitutional scholar (I am a lawyer but just not familiar enough with the law here to weigh in on that) but I do have an opinion on this from a broader, non legal perspective.

I personally think it *should* be legal for small business that is offering a non-essential service to discriminate by race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.. Not because I think racism is great, but because ultimately people should be allowed to choose who they spend their time with. I am a woman. If some man was like "I want to sell beer but only to men," I would think that was dumb and sexist but also wouldn't care that much because I wouldn't want to patronize a business owned by someone who hated women that much. Since beer is not essential and likely sold other places anyway, I just wouldn't care. You do you, dummy.

I thought this for the gay marriage/baker case too. I get that of course it would feel bad to be told that the baker you had tried to hire didn't agree with your marriage or your sexual orientation. But would it feel better if the baker who hates you because your gay made the cake for your wedding? I would want everyone I hired for my wedding to be tolerant of the marriage itself, simply due to not wanting bad vibes. Rather than try to force the bakery to make my cake, I'd find another solution.

So based purely on my personal opinion and not grounded in any legal argument, I think it's fine for a crafting store to decide to offer a class just for people of certain races. I might be annoyed if it's a class that sounded interesting to me but I wasn't of the right race, but I also wouldn't want to attend a class where everyone there wanted to be around people of the same race and I was another race because I don't like feeling unwelcome in that way. So forcing them to invite me seems counterproductive.

Imagine holding this view in the 50's or 60's when a lot of unjustly accumulated wealth, power and prestige were concentrated and passed down within certain overtly exclusionary demographics. What do you think that does for social mobility? For equal opportunity?

A country club is not essential. Nor is a restaurant. Or a social club etc. But you would be fooling yourself if you said these things weren't a big part of the mechanisms by which social, political and financial power are accumulated and passed along.

[Anonymous]

If you don't fit that description, why do you care? They don't want you. It's not illegal. I could offer a calls that's only for 60+ white men and yes, it's legal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would you want to go to a class that’s created for marginalzied people of color if you are not part of that group?

My question was about the legality of offering classes that excluded one or two racial groups.

Way to make assumptions. To answer your question, I am part of the “marginalized people of color” and one class that would work for me and my White husband, isn’t available to him.

And as a marginalized person of color, I would be offended if there was a class that was not open to me. But it appears to be legal, so I’ll either not take the class or wait until one opens up that works for our schedule.

You're a protected class though, not everyone is.

Everyone is in a protected class.