Is 250k a bad salary now for a man?

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Anonymous wrote:LOl! if women are making that much then it is ok to expect more otherwise no need to find a loser that can't make her own money and expect you to earn for her.

I dunno if he could keep the house clean and have dinner ready, that would be pretty awesome. If he actually lived up to his end of the bargain and took care of all the household stuff, that would be pretty great.

Exactly. Men who make $120k would never be able to meet the expectations of high standard household maintenance and parenting. Women who make $250k are a very different breed with high standards in everything .
So the low paying meh would rather complain at these women being “gold diggers” or just marry women who make under $120k.

Huh. I’ve never equated high standards with money. I have extremely high standards… for behavior and respect, in particular.

I know wealthier people who can’t meet my standards.

That’s not my experience. People who make that much money also have higher standards for everything else in life. Eg to and self care routine, vacations types (quality site seeing vs cheap cruises or gastro tours), cleaner houses, kids upbringing. In most cases higher earning capacity is related to higher organizational skills. I dated a bunch of men who made much less than me and I was also bored around them. Very limited interests, life experience etc

I’m sorry you have such a limited worldview.

I decided to go into a service profession because I believe the true value in a person’s work is what they can give back to community. I could have waltzed into a higher paying job, but that wouldn’t have aligned with my values. I’m not motivated by money. I fail to see how a “quality” vacation is any better than a roadtrip down 95. The destination doesn’t make the trip one of “quality,” rather, the people around me do that.

And kid upbringing? Money doesn’t make you a better parent than others. Perhaps you can outsource more? And if so, how is that better parenting when it’s often something you can do yourself?

But perhaps you’d be bored around me. We don’t sound like we’d have similar interests.

Sorry not sorry that I prefer to see world cultural treasures and the nature and geological wonders. I doubt you spend your time studying Rafael painting technique vs Leonardo. I kinda enjoy being able just to hop on a plane to see exhibits that I always wanted to see, or to see a show. Of course when you invest the money in your kids they grow more social, less plugged into their screens, want to invent and achieve something, speak multiple languages. My 19 yo speaks 3 languages at native level, won in their college tech challenge (installing a portable communications system to address college wifi system gaps), and just got an internship at a tech company. That is all thanks to tutors they had, and excellent school they went to. That started from me buying a house in that neighborhood and earning good money to begin with.

And none of that… none of that… makes you a better parent than others. You may be a good parent who has the financial resources to make a path easier for your child. Okay. What about the parent (like me) who got their child on an equally successful path, but without the resources?

And none of that makes you superior. So you know the difference between two painting techniques. Do you know the needs at your local food pantry?

But I suppose the real issue is that you come across as NEEDING to feel better than others. That must be exhausting, and I wonder if you’d have a more complete world view if you let that go.

What are you taking about ? Money absolutely allow to be a better and more involved parent to your kids. Money buy you time to read to your kids in the evening, take them to sports, cook healthy meals, talk to their teachers, travel with kids and teach them languages.
If you go to the most impoverished neighborhoods parents don’t have time for their kids because they work low wages 24/7.

You are so, so woefully out of touch with the real world. Shockingly so. Please tell me you’re joking.

Money doesn’t buy me time to read to my children. That costs me nothing at all. And what makes you think you need to be wealthy to talk to teachers? To teach your children languages?

I’ll say it: I am a teacher. I’ve taught the children of the wealthy and the children of the less fortunate. I’ve met wealthy parents who ignore their children, letting others and social media do the work of parenting for them. I’ve met less fortunate parents who are some of the strongest, most balanced role models one can have.

So let’s stop with your farce here. Money doesn’t make you a better parent. All it does is make you a parent with money. That’s not as impressive as you want it to be.

I admire the jobs that teachers do for us. But statistics show that best reading and math scores are in affluent school districts. And yes, nutrition, attendance of cultural events as a family, joint travels simply don’t exist in many African American families (where kids are traditionally raised by single moms who work low paid jobs) and other deprived districts. It’s unfortunate that you as a teacher refuse to accept the reality that higher income indeed results in higher education levels. The examples you provided about rich parents exist, but not a statistical norm.

I presume you were also against affirmative action ?

Thankfully colleges recognize educational difficulties that kids from poor areas are facing in this country and take into account socioeconomic factors

https://hechingerreport.org/after-affirmative-action-takeaways-and-puzzles-from-college-admissions-data/

The PP argues that money is the reason why she’s a better parent. It’s not.

Yes, affluent schools have better test scores. We know this. But there are many reasons for that, including test questions that are skewed against students in other districts (like sailing terminology in a low-income city school). Affluent parents also pay for additional tutoring, obviously. The data doesn’t show that students succeed because of better parenting. It’s simply more targeted opportunity.

And why the heck did you bring affirmative action into an argument about parenting? We’re in a different lane here.

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Anonymous wrote:My salary is just under 250k now after 20 years of marriage. When I met my wife I was making 80k. Luckily that was enough for her.

80k twenty years ago would be almost 150k in today’s money.

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Anonymous wrote:LOl! if women are making that much then it is ok to expect more otherwise no need to find a loser that can't make her own money and expect you to earn for her.

I dunno if he could keep the house clean and have dinner ready, that would be pretty awesome. If he actually lived up to his end of the bargain and took care of all the household stuff, that would be pretty great.

Exactly. Men who make $120k would never be able to meet the expectations of high standard household maintenance and parenting. Women who make $250k are a very different breed with high standards in everything .
So the low paying meh would rather complain at these women being “gold diggers” or just marry women who make under $120k.

Huh. I’ve never equated high standards with money. I have extremely high standards… for behavior and respect, in particular.

I know wealthier people who can’t meet my standards.

That’s not my experience. People who make that much money also have higher standards for everything else in life. Eg to and self care routine, vacations types (quality site seeing vs cheap cruises or gastro tours), cleaner houses, kids upbringing. In most cases higher earning capacity is related to higher organizational skills. I dated a bunch of men who made much less than me and I was also bored around them. Very limited interests, life experience etc

I’m sorry you have such a limited worldview.

I decided to go into a service profession because I believe the true value in a person’s work is what they can give back to community. I could have waltzed into a higher paying job, but that wouldn’t have aligned with my values. I’m not motivated by money. I fail to see how a “quality” vacation is any better than a roadtrip down 95. The destination doesn’t make the trip one of “quality,” rather, the people around me do that.

And kid upbringing? Money doesn’t make you a better parent than others. Perhaps you can outsource more? And if so, how is that better parenting when it’s often something you can do yourself?

But perhaps you’d be bored around me. We don’t sound like we’d have similar interests.

Sorry not sorry that I prefer to see world cultural treasures and the nature and geological wonders. I doubt you spend your time studying Rafael painting technique vs Leonardo. I kinda enjoy being able just to hop on a plane to see exhibits that I always wanted to see, or to see a show. Of course when you invest the money in your kids they grow more social, less plugged into their screens, want to invent and achieve something, speak multiple languages. My 19 yo speaks 3 languages at native level, won in their college tech challenge (installing a portable communications system to address college wifi system gaps), and just got an internship at a tech company. That is all thanks to tutors they had, and excellent school they went to. That started from me buying a house in that neighborhood and earning good money to begin with.

And none of that… none of that… makes you a better parent than others. You may be a good parent who has the financial resources to make a path easier for your child. Okay. What about the parent (like me) who got their child on an equally successful path, but without the resources?

And none of that makes you superior. So you know the difference between two painting techniques. Do you know the needs at your local food pantry?

But I suppose the real issue is that you come across as NEEDING to feel better than others. That must be exhausting, and I wonder if you’d have a more complete world view if you let that go.

What are you taking about ? Money absolutely allow to be a better and more involved parent to your kids. Money buy you time to read to your kids in the evening, take them to sports, cook healthy meals, talk to their teachers, travel with kids and teach them languages.
If you go to the most impoverished neighborhoods parents don’t have time for their kids because they work low wages 24/7.

You are so, so woefully out of touch with the real world. Shockingly so. Please tell me you’re joking.

Money doesn’t buy me time to read to my children. That costs me nothing at all. And what makes you think you need to be wealthy to talk to teachers? To teach your children languages?

I’ll say it: I am a teacher. I’ve taught the children of the wealthy and the children of the less fortunate. I’ve met wealthy parents who ignore their children, letting others and social media do the work of parenting for them. I’ve met less fortunate parents who are some of the strongest, most balanced role models one can have.

So let’s stop with your farce here. Money doesn’t make you a better parent. All it does is make you a parent with money. That’s not as impressive as you want it to be.

I admire the jobs that teachers do for us. But statistics show that best reading and math scores are in affluent school districts. And yes, nutrition, attendance of cultural events as a family, joint travels simply don’t exist in many African American families (where kids are traditionally raised by single moms who work low paid jobs) and other deprived districts. It’s unfortunate that you as a teacher refuse to accept the reality that higher income indeed results in higher education levels. The examples you provided about rich parents exist, but not a statistical norm.

I presume you were also against affirmative action ?

Thankfully colleges recognize educational difficulties that kids from poor areas are facing in this country and take into account socioeconomic factors

https://hechingerreport.org/after-affirmative-action-takeaways-and-puzzles-from-college-admissions-data/

The PP argues that money is the reason why she’s a better parent. It’s not.

Yes, affluent schools have better test scores. We know this. But there are many reasons for that, including test questions that are skewed against students in other districts (like sailing terminology in a low-income city school). Affluent parents also pay for additional tutoring, obviously. The data doesn’t show that students succeed because of better parenting. It’s simply more targeted opportunity.

And why the heck did you bring affirmative action into an argument about parenting? We’re in a different lane here.

There is plenty of creditable research totally accessible that show higher income parents ARE in fact spending more time on actual parenting. It’s not all the tutors. I took my child to museums, planned interesting activities, travels, personally coached and tutored. I was afforded all this time with my child because I had money and job flexibility.

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Higher income parents generally spend more time on active parenting and quality time with their kids. Education and success truly begins with the family

https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.22.3.23#:~:text=The%20paper%20uses%20data%20from%20the%20American,nonworking%20and%20working%20mothers%20and%20working%20fathers.

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Anonymous wrote:LOl! if women are making that much then it is ok to expect more otherwise no need to find a loser that can't make her own money and expect you to earn for her.

I dunno if he could keep the house clean and have dinner ready, that would be pretty awesome. If he actually lived up to his end of the bargain and took care of all the household stuff, that would be pretty great.

Exactly. Men who make $120k would never be able to meet the expectations of high standard household maintenance and parenting. Women who make $250k are a very different breed with high standards in everything .
So the low paying meh would rather complain at these women being “gold diggers” or just marry women who make under $120k.

Huh. I’ve never equated high standards with money. I have extremely high standards… for behavior and respect, in particular.

I know wealthier people who can’t meet my standards.

That’s not my experience. People who make that much money also have higher standards for everything else in life. Eg to and self care routine, vacations types (quality site seeing vs cheap cruises or gastro tours), cleaner houses, kids upbringing. In most cases higher earning capacity is related to higher organizational skills. I dated a bunch of men who made much less than me and I was also bored around them. Very limited interests, life experience etc

I’m sorry you have such a limited worldview.

I decided to go into a service profession because I believe the true value in a person’s work is what they can give back to community. I could have waltzed into a higher paying job, but that wouldn’t have aligned with my values. I’m not motivated by money. I fail to see how a “quality” vacation is any better than a roadtrip down 95. The destination doesn’t make the trip one of “quality,” rather, the people around me do that.

And kid upbringing? Money doesn’t make you a better parent than others. Perhaps you can outsource more? And if so, how is that better parenting when it’s often something you can do yourself?

But perhaps you’d be bored around me. We don’t sound like we’d have similar interests.

Sorry not sorry that I prefer to see world cultural treasures and the nature and geological wonders. I doubt you spend your time studying Rafael painting technique vs Leonardo. I kinda enjoy being able just to hop on a plane to see exhibits that I always wanted to see, or to see a show. Of course when you invest the money in your kids they grow more social, less plugged into their screens, want to invent and achieve something, speak multiple languages. My 19 yo speaks 3 languages at native level, won in their college tech challenge (installing a portable communications system to address college wifi system gaps), and just got an internship at a tech company. That is all thanks to tutors they had, and excellent school they went to. That started from me buying a house in that neighborhood and earning good money to begin with.

And none of that… none of that… makes you a better parent than others. You may be a good parent who has the financial resources to make a path easier for your child. Okay. What about the parent (like me) who got their child on an equally successful path, but without the resources?

And none of that makes you superior. So you know the difference between two painting techniques. Do you know the needs at your local food pantry?

But I suppose the real issue is that you come across as NEEDING to feel better than others. That must be exhausting, and I wonder if you’d have a more complete world view if you let that go.

What are you taking about ? Money absolutely allow to be a better and more involved parent to your kids. Money buy you time to read to your kids in the evening, take them to sports, cook healthy meals, talk to their teachers, travel with kids and teach them languages.
If you go to the most impoverished neighborhoods parents don’t have time for their kids because they work low wages 24/7.

You are so, so woefully out of touch with the real world. Shockingly so. Please tell me you’re joking.

Money doesn’t buy me time to read to my children. That costs me nothing at all. And what makes you think you need to be wealthy to talk to teachers? To teach your children languages?

I’ll say it: I am a teacher. I’ve taught the children of the wealthy and the children of the less fortunate. I’ve met wealthy parents who ignore their children, letting others and social media do the work of parenting for them. I’ve met less fortunate parents who are some of the strongest, most balanced role models one can have.

So let’s stop with your farce here. Money doesn’t make you a better parent. All it does is make you a parent with money. That’s not as impressive as you want it to be.

I admire the jobs that teachers do for us. But statistics show that best reading and math scores are in affluent school districts. And yes, nutrition, attendance of cultural events as a family, joint travels simply don’t exist in many African American families (where kids are traditionally raised by single moms who work low paid jobs) and other deprived districts. It’s unfortunate that you as a teacher refuse to accept the reality that higher income indeed results in higher education levels. The examples you provided about rich parents exist, but not a statistical norm.

I presume you were also against affirmative action ?

Thankfully colleges recognize educational difficulties that kids from poor areas are facing in this country and take into account socioeconomic factors

https://hechingerreport.org/after-affirmative-action-takeaways-and-puzzles-from-college-admissions-data/

The PP argues that money is the reason why she’s a better parent. It’s not.

Yes, affluent schools have better test scores. We know this. But there are many reasons for that, including test questions that are skewed against students in other districts (like sailing terminology in a low-income city school). Affluent parents also pay for additional tutoring, obviously. The data doesn’t show that students succeed because of better parenting. It’s simply more targeted opportunity.

And why the heck did you bring affirmative action into an argument about parenting? We’re in a different lane here.

There is plenty of creditable research totally accessible that show higher income parents ARE in fact spending more time on actual parenting. It’s not all the tutors. I took my child to museums, planned interesting activities, travels, personally coached and tutored. I was afforded all this time with my child because I had money and job flexibility.

I would love to see your research that proves wealthier parents are better parents. I’m not going to take the time to look for it because I doubt it exists.

Sure, they can easily provide more opportunities or outsource parenting jobs to others. However, that is not —better parenting—.

I am not wealthy, nor do I have a lot of job flexibility. That doesn’t stop me from taking my children to free museums, national parks, or a myriad of other opportunities when we are home together. That doesn’t stop me from reading with them and helping with homework. My time is extremely limited, but my children are my priority. They are far more important to me than money, actually.

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Anonymous wrote:LOl! if women are making that much then it is ok to expect more otherwise no need to find a loser that can't make her own money and expect you to earn for her.

I dunno if he could keep the house clean and have dinner ready, that would be pretty awesome. If he actually lived up to his end of the bargain and took care of all the household stuff, that would be pretty great.

Exactly. Men who make $120k would never be able to meet the expectations of high standard household maintenance and parenting. Women who make $250k are a very different breed with high standards in everything .
So the low paying meh would rather complain at these women being “gold diggers” or just marry women who make under $120k.

Huh. I’ve never equated high standards with money. I have extremely high standards… for behavior and respect, in particular.

I know wealthier people who can’t meet my standards.

That’s not my experience. People who make that much money also have higher standards for everything else in life. Eg to and self care routine, vacations types (quality site seeing vs cheap cruises or gastro tours), cleaner houses, kids upbringing. In most cases higher earning capacity is related to higher organizational skills. I dated a bunch of men who made much less than me and I was also bored around them. Very limited interests, life experience etc

I’m sorry you have such a limited worldview.

I decided to go into a service profession because I believe the true value in a person’s work is what they can give back to community. I could have waltzed into a higher paying job, but that wouldn’t have aligned with my values. I’m not motivated by money. I fail to see how a “quality” vacation is any better than a roadtrip down 95. The destination doesn’t make the trip one of “quality,” rather, the people around me do that.

And kid upbringing? Money doesn’t make you a better parent than others. Perhaps you can outsource more? And if so, how is that better parenting when it’s often something you can do yourself?

But perhaps you’d be bored around me. We don’t sound like we’d have similar interests.

Sorry not sorry that I prefer to see world cultural treasures and the nature and geological wonders. I doubt you spend your time studying Rafael painting technique vs Leonardo. I kinda enjoy being able just to hop on a plane to see exhibits that I always wanted to see, or to see a show. Of course when you invest the money in your kids they grow more social, less plugged into their screens, want to invent and achieve something, speak multiple languages. My 19 yo speaks 3 languages at native level, won in their college tech challenge (installing a portable communications system to address college wifi system gaps), and just got an internship at a tech company. That is all thanks to tutors they had, and excellent school they went to. That started from me buying a house in that neighborhood and earning good money to begin with.

And none of that… none of that… makes you a better parent than others. You may be a good parent who has the financial resources to make a path easier for your child. Okay. What about the parent (like me) who got their child on an equally successful path, but without the resources?

And none of that makes you superior. So you know the difference between two painting techniques. Do you know the needs at your local food pantry?

But I suppose the real issue is that you come across as NEEDING to feel better than others. That must be exhausting, and I wonder if you’d have a more complete world view if you let that go.

What are you taking about ? Money absolutely allow to be a better and more involved parent to your kids. Money buy you time to read to your kids in the evening, take them to sports, cook healthy meals, talk to their teachers, travel with kids and teach them languages.
If you go to the most impoverished neighborhoods parents don’t have time for their kids because they work low wages 24/7.

You are so, so woefully out of touch with the real world. Shockingly so. Please tell me you’re joking.

Money doesn’t buy me time to read to my children. That costs me nothing at all. And what makes you think you need to be wealthy to talk to teachers? To teach your children languages?

I’ll say it: I am a teacher. I’ve taught the children of the wealthy and the children of the less fortunate. I’ve met wealthy parents who ignore their children, letting others and social media do the work of parenting for them. I’ve met less fortunate parents who are some of the strongest, most balanced role models one can have.

So let’s stop with your farce here. Money doesn’t make you a better parent. All it does is make you a parent with money. That’s not as impressive as you want it to be.

I admire the jobs that teachers do for us. But statistics show that best reading and math scores are in affluent school districts. And yes, nutrition, attendance of cultural events as a family, joint travels simply don’t exist in many African American families (where kids are traditionally raised by single moms who work low paid jobs) and other deprived districts. It’s unfortunate that you as a teacher refuse to accept the reality that higher income indeed results in higher education levels. The examples you provided about rich parents exist, but not a statistical norm.

I presume you were also against affirmative action ?

Thankfully colleges recognize educational difficulties that kids from poor areas are facing in this country and take into account socioeconomic factors

https://hechingerreport.org/after-affirmative-action-takeaways-and-puzzles-from-college-admissions-data/

The PP argues that money is the reason why she’s a better parent. It’s not.

Yes, affluent schools have better test scores. We know this. But there are many reasons for that, including test questions that are skewed against students in other districts (like sailing terminology in a low-income city school). Affluent parents also pay for additional tutoring, obviously. The data doesn’t show that students succeed because of better parenting. It’s simply more targeted opportunity.

And why the heck did you bring affirmative action into an argument about parenting? We’re in a different lane here.

There is plenty of creditable research totally accessible that show higher income parents ARE in fact spending more time on actual parenting. It’s not all the tutors. I took my child to museums, planned interesting activities, travels, personally coached and tutored. I was afforded all this time with my child because I had money and job flexibility.

I would love to see your research that proves wealthier parents are better parents. I’m not going to take the time to look for it because I doubt it exists.

Sure, they can easily provide more opportunities or outsource parenting jobs to others. However, that is not —better parenting—.

I am not wealthy, nor do I have a lot of job flexibility. That doesn’t stop me from taking my children to free museums, national parks, or a myriad of other opportunities when we are home together. That doesn’t stop me from reading with them and helping with homework. My time is extremely limited, but my children are my priority. They are far more important to me than money, actually.

We are not telling about YOU. We talk about general trends. You were provided research already.

But great for you to be an exception from a general trend that money in fact result in more quality time with kids

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Anonymous wrote:LOl! if women are making that much then it is ok to expect more otherwise no need to find a loser that can't make her own money and expect you to earn for her.

I dunno if he could keep the house clean and have dinner ready, that would be pretty awesome. If he actually lived up to his end of the bargain and took care of all the household stuff, that would be pretty great.

Exactly. Men who make $120k would never be able to meet the expectations of high standard household maintenance and parenting. Women who make $250k are a very different breed with high standards in everything .
So the low paying meh would rather complain at these women being “gold diggers” or just marry women who make under $120k.

Huh. I’ve never equated high standards with money. I have extremely high standards… for behavior and respect, in particular.

I know wealthier people who can’t meet my standards.

That’s not my experience. People who make that much money also have higher standards for everything else in life. Eg to and self care routine, vacations types (quality site seeing vs cheap cruises or gastro tours), cleaner houses, kids upbringing. In most cases higher earning capacity is related to higher organizational skills. I dated a bunch of men who made much less than me and I was also bored around them. Very limited interests, life experience etc

I’m sorry you have such a limited worldview.

I decided to go into a service profession because I believe the true value in a person’s work is what they can give back to community. I could have waltzed into a higher paying job, but that wouldn’t have aligned with my values. I’m not motivated by money. I fail to see how a “quality” vacation is any better than a roadtrip down 95. The destination doesn’t make the trip one of “quality,” rather, the people around me do that.

And kid upbringing? Money doesn’t make you a better parent than others. Perhaps you can outsource more? And if so, how is that better parenting when it’s often something you can do yourself?

But perhaps you’d be bored around me. We don’t sound like we’d have similar interests.

Sorry not sorry that I prefer to see world cultural treasures and the nature and geological wonders. I doubt you spend your time studying Rafael painting technique vs Leonardo. I kinda enjoy being able just to hop on a plane to see exhibits that I always wanted to see, or to see a show. Of course when you invest the money in your kids they grow more social, less plugged into their screens, want to invent and achieve something, speak multiple languages. My 19 yo speaks 3 languages at native level, won in their college tech challenge (installing a portable communications system to address college wifi system gaps), and just got an internship at a tech company. That is all thanks to tutors they had, and excellent school they went to. That started from me buying a house in that neighborhood and earning good money to begin with.

And none of that… none of that… makes you a better parent than others. You may be a good parent who has the financial resources to make a path easier for your child. Okay. What about the parent (like me) who got their child on an equally successful path, but without the resources?

And none of that makes you superior. So you know the difference between two painting techniques. Do you know the needs at your local food pantry?

But I suppose the real issue is that you come across as NEEDING to feel better than others. That must be exhausting, and I wonder if you’d have a more complete world view if you let that go.

What are you taking about ? Money absolutely allow to be a better and more involved parent to your kids. Money buy you time to read to your kids in the evening, take them to sports, cook healthy meals, talk to their teachers, travel with kids and teach them languages.
If you go to the most impoverished neighborhoods parents don’t have time for their kids because they work low wages 24/7.

You are so, so woefully out of touch with the real world. Shockingly so. Please tell me you’re joking.

Money doesn’t buy me time to read to my children. That costs me nothing at all. And what makes you think you need to be wealthy to talk to teachers? To teach your children languages?

I’ll say it: I am a teacher. I’ve taught the children of the wealthy and the children of the less fortunate. I’ve met wealthy parents who ignore their children, letting others and social media do the work of parenting for them. I’ve met less fortunate parents who are some of the strongest, most balanced role models one can have.

So let’s stop with your farce here. Money doesn’t make you a better parent. All it does is make you a parent with money. That’s not as impressive as you want it to be.

I admire the jobs that teachers do for us. But statistics show that best reading and math scores are in affluent school districts. And yes, nutrition, attendance of cultural events as a family, joint travels simply don’t exist in many African American families (where kids are traditionally raised by single moms who work low paid jobs) and other deprived districts. It’s unfortunate that you as a teacher refuse to accept the reality that higher income indeed results in higher education levels. The examples you provided about rich parents exist, but not a statistical norm.

I presume you were also against affirmative action ?

Thankfully colleges recognize educational difficulties that kids from poor areas are facing in this country and take into account socioeconomic factors

https://hechingerreport.org/after-affirmative-action-takeaways-and-puzzles-from-college-admissions-data/

The PP argues that money is the reason why she’s a better parent. It’s not.

Yes, affluent schools have better test scores. We know this. But there are many reasons for that, including test questions that are skewed against students in other districts (like sailing terminology in a low-income city school). Affluent parents also pay for additional tutoring, obviously. The data doesn’t show that students succeed because of better parenting. It’s simply more targeted opportunity.

And why the heck did you bring affirmative action into an argument about parenting? We’re in a different lane here.

There is plenty of creditable research totally accessible that show higher income parents ARE in fact spending more time on actual parenting. It’s not all the tutors. I took my child to museums, planned interesting activities, travels, personally coached and tutored. I was afforded all this time with my child because I had money and job flexibility.

I would love to see your research that proves wealthier parents are better parents. I’m not going to take the time to look for it because I doubt it exists.

Sure, they can easily provide more opportunities or outsource parenting jobs to others. However, that is not —better parenting—.

I am not wealthy, nor do I have a lot of job flexibility. That doesn’t stop me from taking my children to free museums, national parks, or a myriad of other opportunities when we are home together. That doesn’t stop me from reading with them and helping with homework. My time is extremely limited, but my children are my priority. They are far more important to me than money, actually.

We are not telling about YOU. We talk about general trends. You were provided research already.

But great for you to be an exception from a general trend that money in fact result in more quality time with kids

DP. Wish I could see the looks on all the nannies’ faces as they read that.

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Anonymous wrote:LOl! if women are making that much then it is ok to expect more otherwise no need to find a loser that can't make her own money and expect you to earn for her.

I dunno if he could keep the house clean and have dinner ready, that would be pretty awesome. If he actually lived up to his end of the bargain and took care of all the household stuff, that would be pretty great.

Exactly. Men who make $120k would never be able to meet the expectations of high standard household maintenance and parenting. Women who make $250k are a very different breed with high standards in everything .
So the low paying meh would rather complain at these women being “gold diggers” or just marry women who make under $120k.

Huh. I’ve never equated high standards with money. I have extremely high standards… for behavior and respect, in particular.

I know wealthier people who can’t meet my standards.

That’s not my experience. People who make that much money also have higher standards for everything else in life. Eg to and self care routine, vacations types (quality site seeing vs cheap cruises or gastro tours), cleaner houses, kids upbringing. In most cases higher earning capacity is related to higher organizational skills. I dated a bunch of men who made much less than me and I was also bored around them. Very limited interests, life experience etc

I’m sorry you have such a limited worldview.

I decided to go into a service profession because I believe the true value in a person’s work is what they can give back to community. I could have waltzed into a higher paying job, but that wouldn’t have aligned with my values. I’m not motivated by money. I fail to see how a “quality” vacation is any better than a roadtrip down 95. The destination doesn’t make the trip one of “quality,” rather, the people around me do that.

And kid upbringing? Money doesn’t make you a better parent than others. Perhaps you can outsource more? And if so, how is that better parenting when it’s often something you can do yourself?

But perhaps you’d be bored around me. We don’t sound like we’d have similar interests.

Sorry not sorry that I prefer to see world cultural treasures and the nature and geological wonders. I doubt you spend your time studying Rafael painting technique vs Leonardo. I kinda enjoy being able just to hop on a plane to see exhibits that I always wanted to see, or to see a show. Of course when you invest the money in your kids they grow more social, less plugged into their screens, want to invent and achieve something, speak multiple languages. My 19 yo speaks 3 languages at native level, won in their college tech challenge (installing a portable communications system to address college wifi system gaps), and just got an internship at a tech company. That is all thanks to tutors they had, and excellent school they went to. That started from me buying a house in that neighborhood and earning good money to begin with.

And none of that… none of that… makes you a better parent than others. You may be a good parent who has the financial resources to make a path easier for your child. Okay. What about the parent (like me) who got their child on an equally successful path, but without the resources?

And none of that makes you superior. So you know the difference between two painting techniques. Do you know the needs at your local food pantry?

But I suppose the real issue is that you come across as NEEDING to feel better than others. That must be exhausting, and I wonder if you’d have a more complete world view if you let that go.

What are you taking about ? Money absolutely allow to be a better and more involved parent to your kids. Money buy you time to read to your kids in the evening, take them to sports, cook healthy meals, talk to their teachers, travel with kids and teach them languages.
If you go to the most impoverished neighborhoods parents don’t have time for their kids because they work low wages 24/7.

You are so, so woefully out of touch with the real world. Shockingly so. Please tell me you’re joking.

Money doesn’t buy me time to read to my children. That costs me nothing at all. And what makes you think you need to be wealthy to talk to teachers? To teach your children languages?

I’ll say it: I am a teacher. I’ve taught the children of the wealthy and the children of the less fortunate. I’ve met wealthy parents who ignore their children, letting others and social media do the work of parenting for them. I’ve met less fortunate parents who are some of the strongest, most balanced role models one can have.

So let’s stop with your farce here. Money doesn’t make you a better parent. All it does is make you a parent with money. That’s not as impressive as you want it to be.

I admire the jobs that teachers do for us. But statistics show that best reading and math scores are in affluent school districts. And yes, nutrition, attendance of cultural events as a family, joint travels simply don’t exist in many African American families (where kids are traditionally raised by single moms who work low paid jobs) and other deprived districts. It’s unfortunate that you as a teacher refuse to accept the reality that higher income indeed results in higher education levels. The examples you provided about rich parents exist, but not a statistical norm.

I presume you were also against affirmative action ?

Thankfully colleges recognize educational difficulties that kids from poor areas are facing in this country and take into account socioeconomic factors

https://hechingerreport.org/after-affirmative-action-takeaways-and-puzzles-from-college-admissions-data/

The PP argues that money is the reason why she’s a better parent. It’s not.

Yes, affluent schools have better test scores. We know this. But there are many reasons for that, including test questions that are skewed against students in other districts (like sailing terminology in a low-income city school). Affluent parents also pay for additional tutoring, obviously. The data doesn’t show that students succeed because of better parenting. It’s simply more targeted opportunity.

And why the heck did you bring affirmative action into an argument about parenting? We’re in a different lane here.

There is plenty of creditable research totally accessible that show higher income parents ARE in fact spending more time on actual parenting. It’s not all the tutors. I took my child to museums, planned interesting activities, travels, personally coached and tutored. I was afforded all this time with my child because I had money and job flexibility.

I would love to see your research that proves wealthier parents are better parents. I’m not going to take the time to look for it because I doubt it exists.

Sure, they can easily provide more opportunities or outsource parenting jobs to others. However, that is not —better parenting—.

I am not wealthy, nor do I have a lot of job flexibility. That doesn’t stop me from taking my children to free museums, national parks, or a myriad of other opportunities when we are home together. That doesn’t stop me from reading with them and helping with homework. My time is extremely limited, but my children are my priority. They are far more important to me than money, actually.

We are not telling about YOU. We talk about general trends. You were provided research already.

But great for you to be an exception from a general trend that money in fact result in more quality time with kids

Yeah, I read your research. I stopped at page 9 when it was clear to me that the report mainly argues that the parent’s acquired education level has a bearing on time spent with children. That doesn’t prove the PP’s argument that money alone makes one a better parent. Plenty of well-educated people are in lower paying professions.

I’m also not sure why PPs even need this to be true. How is it threatening that somebody without your means is also able to raise successful, well- adjusted adults?

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Anonymous wrote:LOl! if women are making that much then it is ok to expect more otherwise no need to find a loser that can't make her own money and expect you to earn for her.

I dunno if he could keep the house clean and have dinner ready, that would be pretty awesome. If he actually lived up to his end of the bargain and took care of all the household stuff, that would be pretty great.

Exactly. Men who make $120k would never be able to meet the expectations of high standard household maintenance and parenting. Women who make $250k are a very different breed with high standards in everything .
So the low paying meh would rather complain at these women being “gold diggers” or just marry women who make under $120k.

Huh. I’ve never equated high standards with money. I have extremely high standards… for behavior and respect, in particular.

I know wealthier people who can’t meet my standards.

That’s not my experience. People who make that much money also have higher standards for everything else in life. Eg to and self care routine, vacations types (quality site seeing vs cheap cruises or gastro tours), cleaner houses, kids upbringing. In most cases higher earning capacity is related to higher organizational skills. I dated a bunch of men who made much less than me and I was also bored around them. Very limited interests, life experience etc

I’m sorry you have such a limited worldview.

I decided to go into a service profession because I believe the true value in a person’s work is what they can give back to community. I could have waltzed into a higher paying job, but that wouldn’t have aligned with my values. I’m not motivated by money. I fail to see how a “quality” vacation is any better than a roadtrip down 95. The destination doesn’t make the trip one of “quality,” rather, the people around me do that.

And kid upbringing? Money doesn’t make you a better parent than others. Perhaps you can outsource more? And if so, how is that better parenting when it’s often something you can do yourself?

But perhaps you’d be bored around me. We don’t sound like we’d have similar interests.

Sorry not sorry that I prefer to see world cultural treasures and the nature and geological wonders. I doubt you spend your time studying Rafael painting technique vs Leonardo. I kinda enjoy being able just to hop on a plane to see exhibits that I always wanted to see, or to see a show. Of course when you invest the money in your kids they grow more social, less plugged into their screens, want to invent and achieve something, speak multiple languages. My 19 yo speaks 3 languages at native level, won in their college tech challenge (installing a portable communications system to address college wifi system gaps), and just got an internship at a tech company. That is all thanks to tutors they had, and excellent school they went to. That started from me buying a house in that neighborhood and earning good money to begin with.

And none of that… none of that… makes you a better parent than others. You may be a good parent who has the financial resources to make a path easier for your child. Okay. What about the parent (like me) who got their child on an equally successful path, but without the resources?

And none of that makes you superior. So you know the difference between two painting techniques. Do you know the needs at your local food pantry?

But I suppose the real issue is that you come across as NEEDING to feel better than others. That must be exhausting, and I wonder if you’d have a more complete world view if you let that go.

What are you taking about ? Money absolutely allow to be a better and more involved parent to your kids. Money buy you time to read to your kids in the evening, take them to sports, cook healthy meals, talk to their teachers, travel with kids and teach them languages.
If you go to the most impoverished neighborhoods parents don’t have time for their kids because they work low wages 24/7.

You are so, so woefully out of touch with the real world. Shockingly so. Please tell me you’re joking.

Money doesn’t buy me time to read to my children. That costs me nothing at all. And what makes you think you need to be wealthy to talk to teachers? To teach your children languages?

I’ll say it: I am a teacher. I’ve taught the children of the wealthy and the children of the less fortunate. I’ve met wealthy parents who ignore their children, letting others and social media do the work of parenting for them. I’ve met less fortunate parents who are some of the strongest, most balanced role models one can have.

So let’s stop with your farce here. Money doesn’t make you a better parent. All it does is make you a parent with money. That’s not as impressive as you want it to be.

If you’re busy struggling to pay the rent you generally don’t have the bandwidth to read about child development, feel calm when your kid misbehaves, eat and sleep in a way that supports your and your family’s wellbeing, etc. Money gives you more choices. Everyone is dealing with myriad aspects of their current environment, environment they were brought up in, and physiological/psychological environments. Money makes everything easier. To say it doesn’t is dishonest.

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Anonymous wrote:LOl! if women are making that much then it is ok to expect more otherwise no need to find a loser that can't make her own money and expect you to earn for her.

I dunno if he could keep the house clean and have dinner ready, that would be pretty awesome. If he actually lived up to his end of the bargain and took care of all the household stuff, that would be pretty great.

Exactly. Men who make $120k would never be able to meet the expectations of high standard household maintenance and parenting. Women who make $250k are a very different breed with high standards in everything .
So the low paying meh would rather complain at these women being “gold diggers” or just marry women who make under $120k.

Huh. I’ve never equated high standards with money. I have extremely high standards… for behavior and respect, in particular.

I know wealthier people who can’t meet my standards.

That’s not my experience. People who make that much money also have higher standards for everything else in life. Eg to and self care routine, vacations types (quality site seeing vs cheap cruises or gastro tours), cleaner houses, kids upbringing. In most cases higher earning capacity is related to higher organizational skills. I dated a bunch of men who made much less than me and I was also bored around them. Very limited interests, life experience etc

I’m sorry you have such a limited worldview.

I decided to go into a service profession because I believe the true value in a person’s work is what they can give back to community. I could have waltzed into a higher paying job, but that wouldn’t have aligned with my values. I’m not motivated by money. I fail to see how a “quality” vacation is any better than a roadtrip down 95. The destination doesn’t make the trip one of “quality,” rather, the people around me do that.

And kid upbringing? Money doesn’t make you a better parent than others. Perhaps you can outsource more? And if so, how is that better parenting when it’s often something you can do yourself?

But perhaps you’d be bored around me. We don’t sound like we’d have similar interests.

Sorry not sorry that I prefer to see world cultural treasures and the nature and geological wonders. I doubt you spend your time studying Rafael painting technique vs Leonardo. I kinda enjoy being able just to hop on a plane to see exhibits that I always wanted to see, or to see a show. Of course when you invest the money in your kids they grow more social, less plugged into their screens, want to invent and achieve something, speak multiple languages. My 19 yo speaks 3 languages at native level, won in their college tech challenge (installing a portable communications system to address college wifi system gaps), and just got an internship at a tech company. That is all thanks to tutors they had, and excellent school they went to. That started from me buying a house in that neighborhood and earning good money to begin with.

And none of that… none of that… makes you a better parent than others. You may be a good parent who has the financial resources to make a path easier for your child. Okay. What about the parent (like me) who got their child on an equally successful path, but without the resources?

And none of that makes you superior. So you know the difference between two painting techniques. Do you know the needs at your local food pantry?

But I suppose the real issue is that you come across as NEEDING to feel better than others. That must be exhausting, and I wonder if you’d have a more complete world view if you let that go.

What are you taking about ? Money absolutely allow to be a better and more involved parent to your kids. Money buy you time to read to your kids in the evening, take them to sports, cook healthy meals, talk to their teachers, travel with kids and teach them languages.
If you go to the most impoverished neighborhoods parents don’t have time for their kids because they work low wages 24/7.

You are so, so woefully out of touch with the real world. Shockingly so. Please tell me you’re joking.

Money doesn’t buy me time to read to my children. That costs me nothing at all. And what makes you think you need to be wealthy to talk to teachers? To teach your children languages?

I’ll say it: I am a teacher. I’ve taught the children of the wealthy and the children of the less fortunate. I’ve met wealthy parents who ignore their children, letting others and social media do the work of parenting for them. I’ve met less fortunate parents who are some of the strongest, most balanced role models one can have.

So let’s stop with your farce here. Money doesn’t make you a better parent. All it does is make you a parent with money. That’s not as impressive as you want it to be.

If you’re busy struggling to pay the rent you generally don’t have the bandwidth to read about child development, feel calm when your kid misbehaves, eat and sleep in a way that supports your and your family’s wellbeing, etc. Money gives you more choices. Everyone is dealing with myriad aspects of their current environment, environment they were brought up in, and physiological/psychological environments. Money makes everything easier. To say it doesn’t is dishonest.

DP. Wait, are we still talking about people who make $250k?

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Folks, no one who makes 250k on one salary is "struggling to pay the rent." This conversation has gone off the rails.

The OP's question reminds me of a line from Fleishman is in Trouble:

"Excuse me, I make almost $300,000 a year. I am a rich man in every single culture except the 40 stupid square blocks that you insist we live within."

Other than a narrow swath of people who don't come from money but want the trappings of it (multiple houses in high COL areas, kids at very expensive privates, lots of expensive foreign travel, designer everything, etc.), most people would be THRILLED with a salary of 250k, or to marry someone with that salary.

If most people you encounter find it disappointing, you should ask yourself why you are self-selecting into that narrow group.

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Anonymous wrote:LOl! if women are making that much then it is ok to expect more otherwise no need to find a loser that can't make her own money and expect you to earn for her.

I dunno if he could keep the house clean and have dinner ready, that would be pretty awesome. If he actually lived up to his end of the bargain and took care of all the household stuff, that would be pretty great.

Exactly. Men who make $120k would never be able to meet the expectations of high standard household maintenance and parenting. Women who make $250k are a very different breed with high standards in everything .
So the low paying meh would rather complain at these women being “gold diggers” or just marry women who make under $120k.

Huh. I’ve never equated high standards with money. I have extremely high standards… for behavior and respect, in particular.

I know wealthier people who can’t meet my standards.

That’s not my experience. People who make that much money also have higher standards for everything else in life. Eg to and self care routine, vacations types (quality site seeing vs cheap cruises or gastro tours), cleaner houses, kids upbringing. In most cases higher earning capacity is related to higher organizational skills. I dated a bunch of men who made much less than me and I was also bored around them. Very limited interests, life experience etc

I’m sorry you have such a limited worldview.

I decided to go into a service profession because I believe the true value in a person’s work is what they can give back to community. I could have waltzed into a higher paying job, but that wouldn’t have aligned with my values. I’m not motivated by money. I fail to see how a “quality” vacation is any better than a roadtrip down 95. The destination doesn’t make the trip one of “quality,” rather, the people around me do that.

And kid upbringing? Money doesn’t make you a better parent than others. Perhaps you can outsource more? And if so, how is that better parenting when it’s often something you can do yourself?

But perhaps you’d be bored around me. We don’t sound like we’d have similar interests.

Sorry not sorry that I prefer to see world cultural treasures and the nature and geological wonders. I doubt you spend your time studying Rafael painting technique vs Leonardo. I kinda enjoy being able just to hop on a plane to see exhibits that I always wanted to see, or to see a show. Of course when you invest the money in your kids they grow more social, less plugged into their screens, want to invent and achieve something, speak multiple languages. My 19 yo speaks 3 languages at native level, won in their college tech challenge (installing a portable communications system to address college wifi system gaps), and just got an internship at a tech company. That is all thanks to tutors they had, and excellent school they went to. That started from me buying a house in that neighborhood and earning good money to begin with.

And none of that… none of that… makes you a better parent than others. You may be a good parent who has the financial resources to make a path easier for your child. Okay. What about the parent (like me) who got their child on an equally successful path, but without the resources?

And none of that makes you superior. So you know the difference between two painting techniques. Do you know the needs at your local food pantry?

But I suppose the real issue is that you come across as NEEDING to feel better than others. That must be exhausting, and I wonder if you’d have a more complete world view if you let that go.

What are you taking about ? Money absolutely allow to be a better and more involved parent to your kids. Money buy you time to read to your kids in the evening, take them to sports, cook healthy meals, talk to their teachers, travel with kids and teach them languages.
If you go to the most impoverished neighborhoods parents don’t have time for their kids because they work low wages 24/7.

You are so, so woefully out of touch with the real world. Shockingly so. Please tell me you’re joking.

Money doesn’t buy me time to read to my children. That costs me nothing at all. And what makes you think you need to be wealthy to talk to teachers? To teach your children languages?

I’ll say it: I am a teacher. I’ve taught the children of the wealthy and the children of the less fortunate. I’ve met wealthy parents who ignore their children, letting others and social media do the work of parenting for them. I’ve met less fortunate parents who are some of the strongest, most balanced role models one can have.

So let’s stop with your farce here. Money doesn’t make you a better parent. All it does is make you a parent with money. That’s not as impressive as you want it to be.

If you’re busy struggling to pay the rent you generally don’t have the bandwidth to read about child development, feel calm when your kid misbehaves, eat and sleep in a way that supports your and your family’s wellbeing, etc. Money gives you more choices. Everyone is dealing with myriad aspects of their current environment, environment they were brought up in, and physiological/psychological environments. Money makes everything easier. To say it doesn’t is dishonest.

Being raised surrounded by wealth and privilege has downsides, too. To say it doesn’t is also dishonest.

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I find this hard to believe. Can someone confirm this?

I thought doctors made pretty good money, even primary care, especially the ones with their own practice.

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Anonymous wrote:LOl! if women are making that much then it is ok to expect more otherwise no need to find a loser that can't make her own money and expect you to earn for her.

I dunno if he could keep the house clean and have dinner ready, that would be pretty awesome. If he actually lived up to his end of the bargain and took care of all the household stuff, that would be pretty great.

Exactly. Men who make $120k would never be able to meet the expectations of high standard household maintenance and parenting. Women who make $250k are a very different breed with high standards in everything .
So the low paying meh would rather complain at these women being “gold diggers” or just marry women who make under $120k.

Huh. I’ve never equated high standards with money. I have extremely high standards… for behavior and respect, in particular.

I know wealthier people who can’t meet my standards.

That’s not my experience. People who make that much money also have higher standards for everything else in life. Eg to and self care routine, vacations types (quality site seeing vs cheap cruises or gastro tours), cleaner houses, kids upbringing. In most cases higher earning capacity is related to higher organizational skills. I dated a bunch of men who made much less than me and I was also bored around them. Very limited interests, life experience etc

I’m sorry you have such a limited worldview.

I decided to go into a service profession because I believe the true value in a person’s work is what they can give back to community. I could have waltzed into a higher paying job, but that wouldn’t have aligned with my values. I’m not motivated by money. I fail to see how a “quality” vacation is any better than a roadtrip down 95. The destination doesn’t make the trip one of “quality,” rather, the people around me do that.

And kid upbringing? Money doesn’t make you a better parent than others. Perhaps you can outsource more? And if so, how is that better parenting when it’s often something you can do yourself?

But perhaps you’d be bored around me. We don’t sound like we’d have similar interests.

Sorry not sorry that I prefer to see world cultural treasures and the nature and geological wonders. I doubt you spend your time studying Rafael painting technique vs Leonardo. I kinda enjoy being able just to hop on a plane to see exhibits that I always wanted to see, or to see a show. Of course when you invest the money in your kids they grow more social, less plugged into their screens, want to invent and achieve something, speak multiple languages. My 19 yo speaks 3 languages at native level, won in their college tech challenge (installing a portable communications system to address college wifi system gaps), and just got an internship at a tech company. That is all thanks to tutors they had, and excellent school they went to. That started from me buying a house in that neighborhood and earning good money to begin with.

And none of that… none of that… makes you a better parent than others. You may be a good parent who has the financial resources to make a path easier for your child. Okay. What about the parent (like me) who got their child on an equally successful path, but without the resources?

And none of that makes you superior. So you know the difference between two painting techniques. Do you know the needs at your local food pantry?

But I suppose the real issue is that you come across as NEEDING to feel better than others. That must be exhausting, and I wonder if you’d have a more complete world view if you let that go.

What are you taking about ? Money absolutely allow to be a better and more involved parent to your kids. Money buy you time to read to your kids in the evening, take them to sports, cook healthy meals, talk to their teachers, travel with kids and teach them languages.
If you go to the most impoverished neighborhoods parents don’t have time for their kids because they work low wages 24/7.

You are so, so woefully out of touch with the real world. Shockingly so. Please tell me you’re joking.

Money doesn’t buy me time to read to my children. That costs me nothing at all. And what makes you think you need to be wealthy to talk to teachers? To teach your children languages?

I’ll say it: I am a teacher. I’ve taught the children of the wealthy and the children of the less fortunate. I’ve met wealthy parents who ignore their children, letting others and social media do the work of parenting for them. I’ve met less fortunate parents who are some of the strongest, most balanced role models one can have.

So let’s stop with your farce here. Money doesn’t make you a better parent. All it does is make you a parent with money. That’s not as impressive as you want it to be.

If you’re busy struggling to pay the rent you generally don’t have the bandwidth to read about child development, feel calm when your kid misbehaves, eat and sleep in a way that supports your and your family’s wellbeing, etc. Money gives you more choices. Everyone is dealing with myriad aspects of their current environment, environment they were brought up in, and physiological/psychological environments. Money makes everything easier. To say it doesn’t is dishonest.

Being raised surrounded by wealth and privilege has downsides, too. To say it doesn’t is also dishonest.

lol. Sure, pick your poison, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:LOl! if women are making that much then it is ok to expect more otherwise no need to find a loser that can't make her own money and expect you to earn for her.

I dunno if he could keep the house clean and have dinner ready, that would be pretty awesome. If he actually lived up to his end of the bargain and took care of all the household stuff, that would be pretty great.

Exactly. Men who make $120k would never be able to meet the expectations of high standard household maintenance and parenting. Women who make $250k are a very different breed with high standards in everything .
So the low paying meh would rather complain at these women being “gold diggers” or just marry women who make under $120k.

Huh. I’ve never equated high standards with money. I have extremely high standards… for behavior and respect, in particular.

I know wealthier people who can’t meet my standards.

That’s not my experience. People who make that much money also have higher standards for everything else in life. Eg to and self care routine, vacations types (quality site seeing vs cheap cruises or gastro tours), cleaner houses, kids upbringing. In most cases higher earning capacity is related to higher organizational skills. I dated a bunch of men who made much less than me and I was also bored around them. Very limited interests, life experience etc

I’m sorry you have such a limited worldview.

I decided to go into a service profession because I believe the true value in a person’s work is what they can give back to community. I could have waltzed into a higher paying job, but that wouldn’t have aligned with my values. I’m not motivated by money. I fail to see how a “quality” vacation is any better than a roadtrip down 95. The destination doesn’t make the trip one of “quality,” rather, the people around me do that.

And kid upbringing? Money doesn’t make you a better parent than others. Perhaps you can outsource more? And if so, how is that better parenting when it’s often something you can do yourself?

But perhaps you’d be bored around me. We don’t sound like we’d have similar interests.

Sorry not sorry that I prefer to see world cultural treasures and the nature and geological wonders. I doubt you spend your time studying Rafael painting technique vs Leonardo. I kinda enjoy being able just to hop on a plane to see exhibits that I always wanted to see, or to see a show. Of course when you invest the money in your kids they grow more social, less plugged into their screens, want to invent and achieve something, speak multiple languages. My 19 yo speaks 3 languages at native level, won in their college tech challenge (installing a portable communications system to address college wifi system gaps), and just got an internship at a tech company. That is all thanks to tutors they had, and excellent school they went to. That started from me buying a house in that neighborhood and earning good money to begin with.

And none of that… none of that… makes you a better parent than others. You may be a good parent who has the financial resources to make a path easier for your child. Okay. What about the parent (like me) who got their child on an equally successful path, but without the resources?

And none of that makes you superior. So you know the difference between two painting techniques. Do you know the needs at your local food pantry?

But I suppose the real issue is that you come across as NEEDING to feel better than others. That must be exhausting, and I wonder if you’d have a more complete world view if you let that go.

What are you taking about ? Money absolutely allow to be a better and more involved parent to your kids. Money buy you time to read to your kids in the evening, take them to sports, cook healthy meals, talk to their teachers, travel with kids and teach them languages.
If you go to the most impoverished neighborhoods parents don’t have time for their kids because they work low wages 24/7.

You are so, so woefully out of touch with the real world. Shockingly so. Please tell me you’re joking.

Money doesn’t buy me time to read to my children. That costs me nothing at all. And what makes you think you need to be wealthy to talk to teachers? To teach your children languages?

I’ll say it: I am a teacher. I’ve taught the children of the wealthy and the children of the less fortunate. I’ve met wealthy parents who ignore their children, letting others and social media do the work of parenting for them. I’ve met less fortunate parents who are some of the strongest, most balanced role models one can have.

So let’s stop with your farce here. Money doesn’t make you a better parent. All it does is make you a parent with money. That’s not as impressive as you want it to be.

If you’re busy struggling to pay the rent you generally don’t have the bandwidth to read about child development, feel calm when your kid misbehaves, eat and sleep in a way that supports your and your family’s wellbeing, etc. Money gives you more choices. Everyone is dealing with myriad aspects of their current environment, environment they were brought up in, and physiological/psychological environments. Money makes everything easier. To say it doesn’t is dishonest.

DP. Wait, are we still talking about people who make $250k?

I’m the PP. No, absolutely not. 250k is a good salary. People on this board are stupid and out of touch.

I’m not saying it gives you a lush lifestyle in NW DC, but you’re doing great.