MAGA what will make you happy?

[Anonymous]

MAGA wants to dress up in tactical gear and kill people. We saw them do this in J6. This is what they truly want. They want to kill minorities and liberals because Rupert Murdoch has convinced them that they are the cause of all their problems. The evangelical churches just further reinforce that message.

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Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

Dear MAGA dumb-f**k, here's a pro-tip: a rising tide lifts all boats.

No, it's a zero-sum system. Ds take from those who have, to give to those who don't have, often without rhyme or reason apart from a fundamentally Communist notion that nobody should have any more than anyone else, without regard to merit, effort, or initiative.

Money taken from those who have it sinks them; it doesn't cause them to rise along with those standing there with their hands out.

No.

If billionaires paid their fair share of taxes, they wouldn’t miss that money in the slightest. It’s not like they’re using it for anything worthwhile. Another Monet for their seventeenth villa in Italy? A yacht for their yacht? Quack immortality treatments? A few Congresspeople here and there? After a certain point, it’s pure excess. And as we’re all seeing with the release of the Epstein files, there is a level of wealth at which there is no accountability. It’s looking more and more like extreme wealth creates monsters. That alone should be enough to tax centibillionaires out of existence.

And if you don’t think billionaires owe anything to anyone, there is the fact that they made their billions in the first place by leveraging public infrastructure paid for by we the people.

"Fair share" meaning give some to you, even though you did nothing to earn it? Ok, then.

Many consider that "fair" is reaping the rewards of your own labor and efforts, not standing there with your hand out to sponge off the success of other people. You want more money? Go earn it for yourself.

All billionaire wealth is siphoned off the labor of others. Lick those boots harder.

And all other earnings, even by the little people, come from where, exactly? Thin air, or from those who pay them for their labor? It's the exact same thing, only the scale is different. Admit it, you're merely jealous of those who are worth more and who have been compensated accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

Dear MAGA dumb-f**k, here's a pro-tip: a rising tide lifts all boats.

No, it's a zero-sum system. Ds take from those who have, to give to those who don't have, often without rhyme or reason apart from a fundamentally Communist notion that nobody should have any more than anyone else, without regard to merit, effort, or initiative.

Money taken from those who have it sinks them; it doesn't cause them to rise along with those standing there with their hands out.

No.

If billionaires paid their fair share of taxes, they wouldn’t miss that money in the slightest. It’s not like they’re using it for anything worthwhile. Another Monet for their seventeenth villa in Italy? A yacht for their yacht? Quack immortality treatments? A few Congresspeople here and there? After a certain point, it’s pure excess. And as we’re all seeing with the release of the Epstein files, there is a level of wealth at which there is no accountability. It’s looking more and more like extreme wealth creates monsters. That alone should be enough to tax centibillionaires out of existence.

And if you don’t think billionaires owe anything to anyone, there is the fact that they made their billions in the first place by leveraging public infrastructure paid for by we the people.

"Fair share" meaning give some to you, even though you did nothing to earn it? Ok, then.

Many consider that "fair" is reaping the rewards of your own labor and efforts, not standing there with your hand out to sponge off the success of other people. You want more money? Go earn it for yourself.

All billionaire wealth is siphoned off the labor of others. Lick those boots harder.

And all other earnings, even by the little people, come from where, exactly? Thin air, or from those who pay them for their labor? It's the exact same thing, only the scale is different. Admit it, you're merely jealous of those who are worth more and who have been compensated accordingly.

Does MAGA actually think “we should honor billionaires more” is a winning political strategy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They don’t want “happy.” They want everyone miserable like they are.

lol, I don’t think liberals need any help being miserable

Anyone who is not MAGA and not drinking the kkkool aid is miserable watching a criminal destroy our country. But please continue with your ignorant FOX news messaging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGA wants to dress up in tactical gear and kill people. We saw them do this in J6. This is what they truly want. They want to kill minorities and liberals because Rupert Murdoch has convinced them that they are the cause of all their problems. The evangelical churches just further reinforce that message.

This and yet all through the thread they say they are happy people....ummm no.

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Anonymous wrote:Name something that doesn’t involve bringing others down. We know it makes you happy to “own the libs”, love Trump tearing down the east wing, and laugh at brown people being hunted in the street. I’m not asking about gloating. What is good in your personal life as a result of this regime? Has your grocery store lowered its prices? Did you finally get that promotion a DEI had stolen from you? Are you making so much money now that your wife can quit her job and stay home where she belongs pumping out babies? Is your child no longer gay? Are you paying less for health insurance? How has your life improved?

Immigration moratorium for 25 years. The foreign born population of the United States is already at record levels and we need decades to assimilate the tens of millions of newcomers into our nation. And we're all about to suffer a tidal wave of job losses due to AI and automation and the last thing we need is millions of foreigners coming here to compete for increasingly scarce jobs and resources.

But if MAGA women get to work producing the humongous families that the white nationalists want, there’s still going to be stiff competition for jobs, college admissions, resources, etc.

I’m with you on AI though. That’s the real threat to our well-being.

I don't know why you feel the need to drag race into it -- that's a tangent to my belief that we need decades to integrate the record-number of foreign-born citizens; maybe then everything can stop becoming a racial squabble.

But as to your substantive comment about "MAGA women" producing "humungous families" -- we are so far away from American citizens creating any kind of population boom, that this is not a serious argument. American citizens aren't even reproducing at population-stable rates (there are many reasons for this, but it's a separate conversation). And the Americans who want to have "humungous" families are going to do so anyway. Importing millions of foreigners just adds to that number.

Under an immigration moratorium, our population will likely stabilize or even shrink a little (which would not be a bad thing) before stabilizing. There is no threat of "humungous" American families creating a population book that will make it more difficult for our children to find jobs, houses, etc.

The threat is the 8 billion people on the planet who aren't Americans but want to come here, and will take jobs away from American kids when they do.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to Project 2025, or the concerted effort on the right to push women out of college and careers and into babymaking, or any of the innumerable racial dogwhistles coming from alt-right influencers and official government social media accounts who don’t like the direction the demographics are headed. But thank you for agreeing that natalism is a ridiculous and unrealistic policy for MAGA to be pushing, and directly at odds with the scarcity mindset that’s driving the xenophobia.

Scarcity is not a mindset -- it's a fact of life. Valuable resources are scare -- that's what make them valuable. And as automation and AI eliminate millions of jobs for Americans, jobs will become increasingly scarce. Which is exactly why we need to stop importing a million+ people every year (and that's just the legal immigration) who will be looking for those increasingly scarce jobs and competing Americans and their children.

Sadly (in my view) technology is progressing to the point where so much will be automated and done by robotics/AI, that there will be far fewer job opportunities for humans. None of us can stop it. But what we can do is stop making the problem worse for Americans workers; stop importing a million foreigners looking for jobs every year.

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Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

Dear MAGA dumb-f**k, here's a pro-tip: a rising tide lifts all boats.

No, it's a zero-sum system. Ds take from those who have, to give to those who don't have, often without rhyme or reason apart from a fundamentally Communist notion that nobody should have any more than anyone else, without regard to merit, effort, or initiative.

Money taken from those who have it sinks them; it doesn't cause them to rise along with those standing there with their hands out.

No.

If billionaires paid their fair share of taxes, they wouldn’t miss that money in the slightest. It’s not like they’re using it for anything worthwhile. Another Monet for their seventeenth villa in Italy? A yacht for their yacht? Quack immortality treatments? A few Congresspeople here and there? After a certain point, it’s pure excess. And as we’re all seeing with the release of the Epstein files, there is a level of wealth at which there is no accountability. It’s looking more and more like extreme wealth creates monsters. That alone should be enough to tax centibillionaires out of existence.

And if you don’t think billionaires owe anything to anyone, there is the fact that they made their billions in the first place by leveraging public infrastructure paid for by we the people.

"Fair share" meaning give some to you, even though you did nothing to earn it? Ok, then.

Many consider that "fair" is reaping the rewards of your own labor and efforts, not standing there with your hand out to sponge off the success of other people. You want more money? Go earn it for yourself.

All billionaire wealth is siphoned off the labor of others. Lick those boots harder.

And all other earnings, even by the little people, come from where, exactly? Thin air, or from those who pay them for their labor? It's the exact same thing, only the scale is different. Admit it, you're merely jealous of those who are worth more and who have been compensated accordingly.

From the people who buy the products or services. You can’t possibly be this dimwitted.

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Anonymous wrote:Name something that doesn’t involve bringing others down. We know it makes you happy to “own the libs”, love Trump tearing down the east wing, and laugh at brown people being hunted in the street. I’m not asking about gloating. What is good in your personal life as a result of this regime? Has your grocery store lowered its prices? Did you finally get that promotion a DEI had stolen from you? Are you making so much money now that your wife can quit her job and stay home where she belongs pumping out babies? Is your child no longer gay? Are you paying less for health insurance? How has your life improved?

Immigration moratorium for 25 years. The foreign born population of the United States is already at record levels and we need decades to assimilate the tens of millions of newcomers into our nation. And we're all about to suffer a tidal wave of job losses due to AI and automation and the last thing we need is millions of foreigners coming here to compete for increasingly scarce jobs and resources.

But if MAGA women get to work producing the humongous families that the white nationalists want, there’s still going to be stiff competition for jobs, college admissions, resources, etc.

I’m with you on AI though. That’s the real threat to our well-being.

I don't know why you feel the need to drag race into it -- that's a tangent to my belief that we need decades to integrate the record-number of foreign-born citizens; maybe then everything can stop becoming a racial squabble.

But as to your substantive comment about "MAGA women" producing "humungous families" -- we are so far away from American citizens creating any kind of population boom, that this is not a serious argument. American citizens aren't even reproducing at population-stable rates (there are many reasons for this, but it's a separate conversation). And the Americans who want to have "humungous" families are going to do so anyway. Importing millions of foreigners just adds to that number.

Under an immigration moratorium, our population will likely stabilize or even shrink a little (which would not be a bad thing) before stabilizing. There is no threat of "humungous" American families creating a population book that will make it more difficult for our children to find jobs, houses, etc.

The threat is the 8 billion people on the planet who aren't Americans but want to come here, and will take jobs away from American kids when they do.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to Project 2025, or the concerted effort on the right to push women out of college and careers and into babymaking, or any of the innumerable racial dogwhistles coming from alt-right influencers and official government social media accounts who don’t like the direction the demographics are headed. But thank you for agreeing that natalism is a ridiculous and unrealistic policy for MAGA to be pushing, and directly at odds with the scarcity mindset that’s driving the xenophobia.

Scarcity is not a mindset -- it's a fact of life. Valuable resources are scare -- that's what make them valuable. And as automation and AI eliminate millions of jobs for Americans, jobs will become increasingly scarce. Which is exactly why we need to stop importing a million+ people every year (and that's just the legal immigration) who will be looking for those increasingly scarce jobs and competing Americans and their children.

Sadly (in my view) technology is progressing to the point where so much will be automated and done by robotics/AI, that there will be far fewer job opportunities for humans. None of us can stop it. But what we can do is stop making the problem worse for Americans workers; stop importing a million foreigners looking for jobs every year.

No silly, policy could fix all our ills and have a productive rollout of AI but the GOP doesn’t do policy. Trump has made income inequality as bad as it was during the lead up to the French Revolution. Riches are concentrated in the silicone valley elite but they’re all gonna tell you it’s poor black and illegal immigrants who are taking your money.

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Anonymous wrote:Name something that doesn’t involve bringing others down. We know it makes you happy to “own the libs”, love Trump tearing down the east wing, and laugh at brown people being hunted in the street. I’m not asking about gloating. What is good in your personal life as a result of this regime? Has your grocery store lowered its prices? Did you finally get that promotion a DEI had stolen from you? Are you making so much money now that your wife can quit her job and stay home where she belongs pumping out babies? Is your child no longer gay? Are you paying less for health insurance? How has your life improved?

Immigration moratorium for 25 years. The foreign born population of the United States is already at record levels and we need decades to assimilate the tens of millions of newcomers into our nation. And we're all about to suffer a tidal wave of job losses due to AI and automation and the last thing we need is millions of foreigners coming here to compete for increasingly scarce jobs and resources.

But if MAGA women get to work producing the humongous families that the white nationalists want, there’s still going to be stiff competition for jobs, college admissions, resources, etc.

I’m with you on AI though. That’s the real threat to our well-being.

I don't know why you feel the need to drag race into it -- that's a tangent to my belief that we need decades to integrate the record-number of foreign-born citizens; maybe then everything can stop becoming a racial squabble.

But as to your substantive comment about "MAGA women" producing "humungous families" -- we are so far away from American citizens creating any kind of population boom, that this is not a serious argument. American citizens aren't even reproducing at population-stable rates (there are many reasons for this, but it's a separate conversation). And the Americans who want to have "humungous" families are going to do so anyway. Importing millions of foreigners just adds to that number.

Under an immigration moratorium, our population will likely stabilize or even shrink a little (which would not be a bad thing) before stabilizing. There is no threat of "humungous" American families creating a population book that will make it more difficult for our children to find jobs, houses, etc.

The threat is the 8 billion people on the planet who aren't Americans but want to come here, and will take jobs away from American kids when they do.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to Project 2025, or the concerted effort on the right to push women out of college and careers and into babymaking, or any of the innumerable racial dogwhistles coming from alt-right influencers and official government social media accounts who don’t like the direction the demographics are headed. But thank you for agreeing that natalism is a ridiculous and unrealistic policy for MAGA to be pushing, and directly at odds with the scarcity mindset that’s driving the xenophobia.

Scarcity is not a mindset -- it's a fact of life. Valuable resources are scare -- that's what make them valuable. And as automation and AI eliminate millions of jobs for Americans, jobs will become increasingly scarce. Which is exactly why we need to stop importing a million+ people every year (and that's just the legal immigration) who will be looking for those increasingly scarce jobs and competing Americans and their children.

Sadly (in my view) technology is progressing to the point where so much will be automated and done by robotics/AI, that there will be far fewer job opportunities for humans. None of us can stop it. But what we can do is stop making the problem worse for Americans workers; stop importing a million foreigners looking for jobs every year.

We’re quickly reaching the point of no return where it won’t matter what the population is. If immigration is curtailed, those jobs are going to get replaced by robots, not Americans. In a post-labor AI world, there won’t be jobs for anyone except a dwindling class of stateless oligarchs who own everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

Dear MAGA dumb-f**k, here's a pro-tip: a rising tide lifts all boats.

No, it's a zero-sum system. Ds take from those who have, to give to those who don't have, often without rhyme or reason apart from a fundamentally Communist notion that nobody should have any more than anyone else, without regard to merit, effort, or initiative.

Money taken from those who have it sinks them; it doesn't cause them to rise along with those standing there with their hands out.

No.

If billionaires paid their fair share of taxes, they wouldn’t miss that money in the slightest. It’s not like they’re using it for anything worthwhile. Another Monet for their seventeenth villa in Italy? A yacht for their yacht? Quack immortality treatments? A few Congresspeople here and there? After a certain point, it’s pure excess. And as we’re all seeing with the release of the Epstein files, there is a level of wealth at which there is no accountability. It’s looking more and more like extreme wealth creates monsters. That alone should be enough to tax centibillionaires out of existence.

And if you don’t think billionaires owe anything to anyone, there is the fact that they made their billions in the first place by leveraging public infrastructure paid for by we the people.

"Fair share" meaning give some to you, even though you did nothing to earn it? Ok, then.

Many consider that "fair" is reaping the rewards of your own labor and efforts, not standing there with your hand out to sponge off the success of other people. You want more money? Go earn it for yourself.

All billionaire wealth is siphoned off the labor of others. Lick those boots harder.

And all other earnings, even by the little people, come from where, exactly? Thin air, or from those who pay them for their labor? It's the exact same thing, only the scale is different. Admit it, you're merely jealous of those who are worth more and who have been compensated accordingly.

Does MAGA actually think “we should honor billionaires more” is a winning political strategy?

Obviously we’re just jealous that we can’t participate in a global child sex trafficking ring!

[Anonymous]

To the person who said conservatives are happier than liberals, you are right that was some research that said exactly this. But here’s the thing: it was pre-MAGA. A lot of the people who identified as conservatives then have left the GOP.

The MAGA movement does not, to me, seem especially happy. People are happy at Trump rallies, that’s true, but more in a religious ecstasy way.

Not that people on the left seem happy now, but you’d expect that given the times.

[Anonymous]

Happiness really shouldn’t be political. Most of us can find it in the people around us and small everyday things.

If your happiness depends on a leader who doesn’t know who you are and doesn’t care about you, you’re in a cult. If your happiness comes from the suffering of others, you’re living in Omelas (and/or are a sociopath).

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Anonymous wrote:Name something that doesn’t involve bringing others down. We know it makes you happy to “own the libs”, love Trump tearing down the east wing, and laugh at brown people being hunted in the street. I’m not asking about gloating. What is good in your personal life as a result of this regime? Has your grocery store lowered its prices? Did you finally get that promotion a DEI had stolen from you? Are you making so much money now that your wife can quit her job and stay home where she belongs pumping out babies? Is your child no longer gay? Are you paying less for health insurance? How has your life improved?

Immigration moratorium for 25 years. The foreign born population of the United States is already at record levels and we need decades to assimilate the tens of millions of newcomers into our nation. And we're all about to suffer a tidal wave of job losses due to AI and automation and the last thing we need is millions of foreigners coming here to compete for increasingly scarce jobs and resources.

But if MAGA women get to work producing the humongous families that the white nationalists want, there’s still going to be stiff competition for jobs, college admissions, resources, etc.

I’m with you on AI though. That’s the real threat to our well-being.

I don't know why you feel the need to drag race into it -- that's a tangent to my belief that we need decades to integrate the record-number of foreign-born citizens; maybe then everything can stop becoming a racial squabble.

But as to your substantive comment about "MAGA women" producing "humungous families" -- we are so far away from American citizens creating any kind of population boom, that this is not a serious argument. American citizens aren't even reproducing at population-stable rates (there are many reasons for this, but it's a separate conversation). And the Americans who want to have "humungous" families are going to do so anyway. Importing millions of foreigners just adds to that number.

Under an immigration moratorium, our population will likely stabilize or even shrink a little (which would not be a bad thing) before stabilizing. There is no threat of "humungous" American families creating a population book that will make it more difficult for our children to find jobs, houses, etc.

The threat is the 8 billion people on the planet who aren't Americans but want to come here, and will take jobs away from American kids when they do.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to Project 2025, or the concerted effort on the right to push women out of college and careers and into babymaking, or any of the innumerable racial dogwhistles coming from alt-right influencers and official government social media accounts who don’t like the direction the demographics are headed. But thank you for agreeing that natalism is a ridiculous and unrealistic policy for MAGA to be pushing, and directly at odds with the scarcity mindset that’s driving the xenophobia.

Scarcity is not a mindset -- it's a fact of life. Valuable resources are scare -- that's what make them valuable. And as automation and AI eliminate millions of jobs for Americans, jobs will become increasingly scarce. Which is exactly why we need to stop importing a million+ people every year (and that's just the legal immigration) who will be looking for those increasingly scarce jobs and competing Americans and their children.

Sadly (in my view) technology is progressing to the point where so much will be automated and done by robotics/AI, that there will be far fewer job opportunities for humans. None of us can stop it. But what we can do is stop making the problem worse for Americans workers; stop importing a million foreigners looking for jobs every year.

We’re quickly reaching the point of no return where it won’t matter what the population is. If immigration is curtailed, those jobs are going to get replaced by robots, not Americans. In a post-labor AI world, there won’t be jobs for anyone except a dwindling class of stateless oligarchs who own everything.

That would be a dire outcome, indeed. Nonetheless, such a case would only present an even stronger argument for a complete and total immigration moratorium. We do not need to be importing millions of new arrivals when "there won't be jobs for anyone."

And it most certainly matters what the population is. 300 million unemployed people in country of 350 million is far better than 800 million unemployed people in a country of 850 million. It's not complicated.

When you're in a sinking ship, don't pour more water into the boat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Name something that doesn’t involve bringing others down. We know it makes you happy to “own the libs”, love Trump tearing down the east wing, and laugh at brown people being hunted in the street. I’m not asking about gloating. What is good in your personal life as a result of this regime? Has your grocery store lowered its prices? Did you finally get that promotion a DEI had stolen from you? Are you making so much money now that your wife can quit her job and stay home where she belongs pumping out babies? Is your child no longer gay? Are you paying less for health insurance? How has your life improved?

Immigration moratorium for 25 years. The foreign born population of the United States is already at record levels and we need decades to assimilate the tens of millions of newcomers into our nation. And we're all about to suffer a tidal wave of job losses due to AI and automation and the last thing we need is millions of foreigners coming here to compete for increasingly scarce jobs and resources.

But if MAGA women get to work producing the humongous families that the white nationalists want, there’s still going to be stiff competition for jobs, college admissions, resources, etc.

I’m with you on AI though. That’s the real threat to our well-being.

I don't know why you feel the need to drag race into it -- that's a tangent to my belief that we need decades to integrate the record-number of foreign-born citizens; maybe then everything can stop becoming a racial squabble.

But as to your substantive comment about "MAGA women" producing "humungous families" -- we are so far away from American citizens creating any kind of population boom, that this is not a serious argument. American citizens aren't even reproducing at population-stable rates (there are many reasons for this, but it's a separate conversation). And the Americans who want to have "humungous" families are going to do so anyway. Importing millions of foreigners just adds to that number.

Under an immigration moratorium, our population will likely stabilize or even shrink a little (which would not be a bad thing) before stabilizing. There is no threat of "humungous" American families creating a population book that will make it more difficult for our children to find jobs, houses, etc.

The threat is the 8 billion people on the planet who aren't Americans but want to come here, and will take jobs away from American kids when they do.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to Project 2025, or the concerted effort on the right to push women out of college and careers and into babymaking, or any of the innumerable racial dogwhistles coming from alt-right influencers and official government social media accounts who don’t like the direction the demographics are headed. But thank you for agreeing that natalism is a ridiculous and unrealistic policy for MAGA to be pushing, and directly at odds with the scarcity mindset that’s driving the xenophobia.

Scarcity is not a mindset -- it's a fact of life. Valuable resources are scare -- that's what make them valuable. And as automation and AI eliminate millions of jobs for Americans, jobs will become increasingly scarce. Which is exactly why we need to stop importing a million+ people every year (and that's just the legal immigration) who will be looking for those increasingly scarce jobs and competing Americans and their children.

Sadly (in my view) technology is progressing to the point where so much will be automated and done by robotics/AI, that there will be far fewer job opportunities for humans. None of us can stop it. But what we can do is stop making the problem worse for Americans workers; stop importing a million foreigners looking for jobs every year.

We’re quickly reaching the point of no return where it won’t matter what the population is. If immigration is curtailed, those jobs are going to get replaced by robots, not Americans. In a post-labor AI world, there won’t be jobs for anyone except a dwindling class of stateless oligarchs who own everything.

That would be a dire outcome, indeed. Nonetheless, such a case would only present an even stronger argument for a complete and total immigration moratorium. We do not need to be importing millions of new arrivals when "there won't be jobs for anyone."

And it most certainly matters what the population is. 300 million unemployed people in country of 350 million is far better than 800 million unemployed people in a country of 850 million. It's not complicated.

When you're in a sinking ship, don't pour more water into the boat.

If we find ourselves in a situation where 500 million people could plausibly enter the US, jobs are the least of our worries.

[Anonymous]

AI is taking all the jobs, not immigrants. That’s what we should be pushing back on.