MAGA what will make you happy?

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Anonymous wrote:AI is taking all the jobs, not immigrants. That’s what we should be pushing back on.

No one can push back on AI anymore than anyone could have pushed back on electricity or the automobile or the printing press. AI and automation are here and they're coming for your jobs. It will be a technological revolution like we've never seen. These aren't tools that do things better; they're going to be machines more intelligent than humans, that do everything better -- including building newer and better machines.

Stop bringing in millions of more people to compete for what will be a dwindling number of jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:AI is taking all the jobs, not immigrants. That’s what we should be pushing back on.

No one can push back on AI anymore than anyone could have pushed back on electricity or the automobile or the printing press. AI and automation are here and they're coming for your jobs. It will be a technological revolution like we've never seen. These aren't tools that do things better; they're going to be machines more intelligent than humans, that do everything better -- including building newer and better machines.

Stop bringing in millions of more people to compete for what will be a dwindling number of jobs.

Of course we could push back on it, you fool. Step one is to stop allowing AI companies to freely train on the intellectual property of others.

And as for AI doing anything better, let alone everything? Thanks for the laugh!

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Anonymous wrote:Name something that doesn’t involve bringing others down. We know it makes you happy to “own the libs”, love Trump tearing down the east wing, and laugh at brown people being hunted in the street. I’m not asking about gloating. What is good in your personal life as a result of this regime? Has your grocery store lowered its prices? Did you finally get that promotion a DEI had stolen from you? Are you making so much money now that your wife can quit her job and stay home where she belongs pumping out babies? Is your child no longer gay? Are you paying less for health insurance? How has your life improved?

Immigration moratorium for 25 years. The foreign born population of the United States is already at record levels and we need decades to assimilate the tens of millions of newcomers into our nation. And we're all about to suffer a tidal wave of job losses due to AI and automation and the last thing we need is millions of foreigners coming here to compete for increasingly scarce jobs and resources.

But if MAGA women get to work producing the humongous families that the white nationalists want, there’s still going to be stiff competition for jobs, college admissions, resources, etc.

I’m with you on AI though. That’s the real threat to our well-being.

I don't know why you feel the need to drag race into it -- that's a tangent to my belief that we need decades to integrate the record-number of foreign-born citizens; maybe then everything can stop becoming a racial squabble.

But as to your substantive comment about "MAGA women" producing "humungous families" -- we are so far away from American citizens creating any kind of population boom, that this is not a serious argument. American citizens aren't even reproducing at population-stable rates (there are many reasons for this, but it's a separate conversation). And the Americans who want to have "humungous" families are going to do so anyway. Importing millions of foreigners just adds to that number.

Under an immigration moratorium, our population will likely stabilize or even shrink a little (which would not be a bad thing) before stabilizing. There is no threat of "humungous" American families creating a population book that will make it more difficult for our children to find jobs, houses, etc.

The threat is the 8 billion people on the planet who aren't Americans but want to come here, and will take jobs away from American kids when they do.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to Project 2025, or the concerted effort on the right to push women out of college and careers and into babymaking, or any of the innumerable racial dogwhistles coming from alt-right influencers and official government social media accounts who don’t like the direction the demographics are headed. But thank you for agreeing that natalism is a ridiculous and unrealistic policy for MAGA to be pushing, and directly at odds with the scarcity mindset that’s driving the xenophobia.

Scarcity is not a mindset -- it's a fact of life. Valuable resources are scare -- that's what make them valuable. And as automation and AI eliminate millions of jobs for Americans, jobs will become increasingly scarce. Which is exactly why we need to stop importing a million+ people every year (and that's just the legal immigration) who will be looking for those increasingly scarce jobs and competing Americans and their children.

Sadly (in my view) technology is progressing to the point where so much will be automated and done by robotics/AI, that there will be far fewer job opportunities for humans. None of us can stop it. But what we can do is stop making the problem worse for Americans workers; stop importing a million foreigners looking for jobs every year.

Sounds like you’re finally seeing the purpose of UBI!

Oh wait, you’re too dumb. You think that a handful of corrupt individuals artificially controlling all of the resources is equivalent to natural, inevitable scarcity.

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Anonymous wrote:Name something that doesn’t involve bringing others down. We know it makes you happy to “own the libs”, love Trump tearing down the east wing, and laugh at brown people being hunted in the street. I’m not asking about gloating. What is good in your personal life as a result of this regime? Has your grocery store lowered its prices? Did you finally get that promotion a DEI had stolen from you? Are you making so much money now that your wife can quit her job and stay home where she belongs pumping out babies? Is your child no longer gay? Are you paying less for health insurance? How has your life improved?

Immigration moratorium for 25 years. The foreign born population of the United States is already at record levels and we need decades to assimilate the tens of millions of newcomers into our nation. And we're all about to suffer a tidal wave of job losses due to AI and automation and the last thing we need is millions of foreigners coming here to compete for increasingly scarce jobs and resources.

But if MAGA women get to work producing the humongous families that the white nationalists want, there’s still going to be stiff competition for jobs, college admissions, resources, etc.

I’m with you on AI though. That’s the real threat to our well-being.

I don't know why you feel the need to drag race into it -- that's a tangent to my belief that we need decades to integrate the record-number of foreign-born citizens; maybe then everything can stop becoming a racial squabble.

But as to your substantive comment about "MAGA women" producing "humungous families" -- we are so far away from American citizens creating any kind of population boom, that this is not a serious argument. American citizens aren't even reproducing at population-stable rates (there are many reasons for this, but it's a separate conversation). And the Americans who want to have "humungous" families are going to do so anyway. Importing millions of foreigners just adds to that number.

Under an immigration moratorium, our population will likely stabilize or even shrink a little (which would not be a bad thing) before stabilizing. There is no threat of "humungous" American families creating a population book that will make it more difficult for our children to find jobs, houses, etc.

The threat is the 8 billion people on the planet who aren't Americans but want to come here, and will take jobs away from American kids when they do.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to Project 2025, or the concerted effort on the right to push women out of college and careers and into babymaking, or any of the innumerable racial dogwhistles coming from alt-right influencers and official government social media accounts who don’t like the direction the demographics are headed. But thank you for agreeing that natalism is a ridiculous and unrealistic policy for MAGA to be pushing, and directly at odds with the scarcity mindset that’s driving the xenophobia.

Scarcity is not a mindset -- it's a fact of life. Valuable resources are scare -- that's what make them valuable. And as automation and AI eliminate millions of jobs for Americans, jobs will become increasingly scarce. Which is exactly why we need to stop importing a million+ people every year (and that's just the legal immigration) who will be looking for those increasingly scarce jobs and competing Americans and their children.

Sadly (in my view) technology is progressing to the point where so much will be automated and done by robotics/AI, that there will be far fewer job opportunities for humans. None of us can stop it. But what we can do is stop making the problem worse for Americans workers; stop importing a million foreigners looking for jobs every year.

Sounds like you’re finally seeing the purpose of UBI!

Oh wait, you’re too dumb. You think that a handful of corrupt individuals artificially controlling all of the resources is equivalent to natural, inevitable scarcity.

UBI may indeed be something we need to implement as more jobs are taken over by AI/robotics. I think most people are open to that idea. My hope is that the productivity gains from AI/robotics will enable us to implement a sustainable UBI if need be.

But here again, UBI (Universal Basic Income) is, in essence, "giving free stuff to people thrown out of work by AI/automation." If you think that letting millions more people into the country to be given UBI-handouts is a sustainable idea, I'd love to understand that logic. The last thing we need is to be importing millions more foreigners who will be looking for the "free stuff" UBI that we aren't even sure we can handle for the American population as it exists today.

In short, it will be an immense challenge to sort out UBI for the current American population of ~350 million. Adding more soon-to-be-unemployed people only makes the situation worse.

Sadly, I'm reminded why it's often so pointless to try to have these discussions in good faith: "It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible."

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“Making a grim future only ever-so-slightly less grim by letting in fewer people to compete in the post-apocalyptic Hunger Games economic war” does not sound like happiness.

Serious question: is the closest thing some of the PPs can get to a vision of happiness simply “slightly less misery?”

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Anonymous wrote:Name something that doesn’t involve bringing others down. We know it makes you happy to “own the libs”, love Trump tearing down the east wing, and laugh at brown people being hunted in the street. I’m not asking about gloating. What is good in your personal life as a result of this regime? Has your grocery store lowered its prices? Did you finally get that promotion a DEI had stolen from you? Are you making so much money now that your wife can quit her job and stay home where she belongs pumping out babies? Is your child no longer gay? Are you paying less for health insurance? How has your life improved?

Immigration moratorium for 25 years. The foreign born population of the United States is already at record levels and we need decades to assimilate the tens of millions of newcomers into our nation. And we're all about to suffer a tidal wave of job losses due to AI and automation and the last thing we need is millions of foreigners coming here to compete for increasingly scarce jobs and resources.

But if MAGA women get to work producing the humongous families that the white nationalists want, there’s still going to be stiff competition for jobs, college admissions, resources, etc.

I’m with you on AI though. That’s the real threat to our well-being.

I don't know why you feel the need to drag race into it -- that's a tangent to my belief that we need decades to integrate the record-number of foreign-born citizens; maybe then everything can stop becoming a racial squabble.

But as to your substantive comment about "MAGA women" producing "humungous families" -- we are so far away from American citizens creating any kind of population boom, that this is not a serious argument. American citizens aren't even reproducing at population-stable rates (there are many reasons for this, but it's a separate conversation). And the Americans who want to have "humungous" families are going to do so anyway. Importing millions of foreigners just adds to that number.

Under an immigration moratorium, our population will likely stabilize or even shrink a little (which would not be a bad thing) before stabilizing. There is no threat of "humungous" American families creating a population book that will make it more difficult for our children to find jobs, houses, etc.

The threat is the 8 billion people on the planet who aren't Americans but want to come here, and will take jobs away from American kids when they do.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to Project 2025, or the concerted effort on the right to push women out of college and careers and into babymaking, or any of the innumerable racial dogwhistles coming from alt-right influencers and official government social media accounts who don’t like the direction the demographics are headed. But thank you for agreeing that natalism is a ridiculous and unrealistic policy for MAGA to be pushing, and directly at odds with the scarcity mindset that’s driving the xenophobia.

Scarcity is not a mindset -- it's a fact of life. Valuable resources are scare -- that's what make them valuable. And as automation and AI eliminate millions of jobs for Americans, jobs will become increasingly scarce. Which is exactly why we need to stop importing a million+ people every year (and that's just the legal immigration) who will be looking for those increasingly scarce jobs and competing Americans and their children.

Sadly (in my view) technology is progressing to the point where so much will be automated and done by robotics/AI, that there will be far fewer job opportunities for humans. None of us can stop it. But what we can do is stop making the problem worse for Americans workers; stop importing a million foreigners looking for jobs every year.

Sounds like you’re finally seeing the purpose of UBI!

Oh wait, you’re too dumb. You think that a handful of corrupt individuals artificially controlling all of the resources is equivalent to natural, inevitable scarcity.

UBI may indeed be something we need to implement as more jobs are taken over by AI/robotics. I think most people are open to that idea. My hope is that the productivity gains from AI/robotics will enable us to implement a sustainable UBI if need be.

But here again, UBI (Universal Basic Income) is, in essence, "giving free stuff to people thrown out of work by AI/automation." If you think that letting millions more people into the country to be given UBI-handouts is a sustainable idea, I'd love to understand that logic. The last thing we need is to be importing millions more foreigners who will be looking for the "free stuff" UBI that we aren't even sure we can handle for the American population as it exists today.

In short, it will be an immense challenge to sort out UBI for the current American population of ~350 million. Adding more soon-to-be-unemployed people only makes the situation worse.

Sadly, I'm reminded why it's often so pointless to try to have these discussions in good faith: "It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible."

Right back atcha. You’re like a hamster on a wheel, refusing to engage with anything beyond your tightly held conviction that the borders are wide open and millions upon millions of immigrants are flooding into the country to get those sweet sweet handouts.

The fact is, immigrants pay more in taxes the system than they take out. Most have permission to work in the US and generate billions in tax revenue. For example, the Cato Institute did a 30 year study and found that without immigrants, US public debt would be at least double the 2023 level.

Nobody’s advocating for throwing open the borders and letting in 500 million more people. You’ve created a straw man.

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Anonymous wrote:Name something that doesn’t involve bringing others down. We know it makes you happy to “own the libs”, love Trump tearing down the east wing, and laugh at brown people being hunted in the street. I’m not asking about gloating. What is good in your personal life as a result of this regime? Has your grocery store lowered its prices? Did you finally get that promotion a DEI had stolen from you? Are you making so much money now that your wife can quit her job and stay home where she belongs pumping out babies? Is your child no longer gay? Are you paying less for health insurance? How has your life improved?

Immigration moratorium for 25 years. The foreign born population of the United States is already at record levels and we need decades to assimilate the tens of millions of newcomers into our nation. And we're all about to suffer a tidal wave of job losses due to AI and automation and the last thing we need is millions of foreigners coming here to compete for increasingly scarce jobs and resources.

But if MAGA women get to work producing the humongous families that the white nationalists want, there’s still going to be stiff competition for jobs, college admissions, resources, etc.

I’m with you on AI though. That’s the real threat to our well-being.

I don't know why you feel the need to drag race into it -- that's a tangent to my belief that we need decades to integrate the record-number of foreign-born citizens; maybe then everything can stop becoming a racial squabble.

But as to your substantive comment about "MAGA women" producing "humungous families" -- we are so far away from American citizens creating any kind of population boom, that this is not a serious argument. American citizens aren't even reproducing at population-stable rates (there are many reasons for this, but it's a separate conversation). And the Americans who want to have "humungous" families are going to do so anyway. Importing millions of foreigners just adds to that number.

Under an immigration moratorium, our population will likely stabilize or even shrink a little (which would not be a bad thing) before stabilizing. There is no threat of "humungous" American families creating a population book that will make it more difficult for our children to find jobs, houses, etc.

The threat is the 8 billion people on the planet who aren't Americans but want to come here, and will take jobs away from American kids when they do.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention to Project 2025, or the concerted effort on the right to push women out of college and careers and into babymaking, or any of the innumerable racial dogwhistles coming from alt-right influencers and official government social media accounts who don’t like the direction the demographics are headed. But thank you for agreeing that natalism is a ridiculous and unrealistic policy for MAGA to be pushing, and directly at odds with the scarcity mindset that’s driving the xenophobia.

Scarcity is not a mindset -- it's a fact of life. Valuable resources are scare -- that's what make them valuable. And as automation and AI eliminate millions of jobs for Americans, jobs will become increasingly scarce. Which is exactly why we need to stop importing a million+ people every year (and that's just the legal immigration) who will be looking for those increasingly scarce jobs and competing Americans and their children.

Sadly (in my view) technology is progressing to the point where so much will be automated and done by robotics/AI, that there will be far fewer job opportunities for humans. None of us can stop it. But what we can do is stop making the problem worse for Americans workers; stop importing a million foreigners looking for jobs every year.

Sounds like you’re finally seeing the purpose of UBI!

Oh wait, you’re too dumb. You think that a handful of corrupt individuals artificially controlling all of the resources is equivalent to natural, inevitable scarcity.

+1 Apparently scarcity aka billionaires owning everything and the rest of us fighting over the crumbs is just the Way Of The World that we shouldn’t try to fix. Any time people try to better their lives by following opportunities and moving elsewhere, they need to be beaten back with sticks (and then told they’re losers and unsuccessful jealous people, like the rich-people cheerleader upthread). Why focus on the fact that we’re only getting crumbs, when you can complain about how many people are fighting over them?