An Open Discussion on Split Feeders.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

If your kid is at a MS that splits fairly evenly to two high schools, that's no big deal. They'll have a large cohort of kids going to the same high school yet the chance to make new friends. It's the really uneven split feeders that can be more of an issue but as PP pointed out you get people like the parents at Kilmer who fight to stay at Madison even though only 15% or so of Kilmer feeds there rather than Marshall.

This is why I’m fighting for the idea of an Oakton Area Middle School.

They should get Oakton down to two feeders eventually, probably Franklin and Jackson (again). No need for a new MS.

We have more middle schools than high schools.

When the new high-school opens, we will have one more middle school than high schools.

We should have no more than one or two middle school split feeders, and those midfle schools should not split to more than 2 high schools.

What you want and what other people want and FCPS will do are not the same thing.

I agree that Middle-High School alignment is important, but here’s the thing.

Scenario 4 boundary changes illustrate Bren Mar Park moving back to Annandale from Edison, with all of Parklawn moving to Justice.

The issue lies with Mason Crest.

I propose moving Justice Bound Mason Crest Students to Beech Tree or Belvedere, and with them out, adding 6th grade to Mason Crest, zoning it for Jackson to align with Falls Church, or also rezoning it completely to Glasgow/Justice.

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Interesting. Mason Crest is listed under Falls Church Pyramid for regions which have administrative purpose in FCPS. It should definitely get grade 6 and so should the rest of the K-5 schools. What % of Mason Crest students are Falls Church? All those BRAC breakouts by Region - ludicrous for Marshall.

If you add up the preK-5 membership at those schools utilization is 96% without modulars and 89% without modulars. Add back in grade 6 from Glasgow, Poe, Holmes and it's 109% and 101% but Holmes could become a K-6.

Timber Lane is under Mclean Pyramid. Should be Marshall or Falls Church. That should have part moved to Shrevewood/Kilmer/Marshall and the part moved to Shrevewood by Thru be Timber Lane/Jackson/Falls Church.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

If your kid is at a MS that splits fairly evenly to two high schools, that's no big deal. They'll have a large cohort of kids going to the same high school yet the chance to make new friends. It's the really uneven split feeders that can be more of an issue but as PP pointed out you get people like the parents at Kilmer who fight to stay at Madison even though only 15% or so of Kilmer feeds there rather than Marshall.

This is why I’m fighting for the idea of an Oakton Area Middle School.

They should get Oakton down to two feeders eventually, probably Franklin and Jackson (again). No need for a new MS.

We have more middle schools than high schools.

When the new high-school opens, we will have one more middle school than high schools.

We should have no more than one or two middle school split feeders, and those midfle schools should not split to more than 2 high schools.

What you want and what other people want and FCPS will do are not the same thing.

I agree that Middle-High School alignment is important, but here’s the thing.

Scenario 4 boundary changes illustrate Bren Mar Park moving back to Annandale from Edison, with all of Parklawn moving to Justice.

The issue lies with Mason Crest.

I propose moving Justice Bound Mason Crest Students to Beech Tree or Belvedere, and with them out, adding 6th grade to Mason Crest, zoning it for Jackson to align with Falls Church, or also rezoning it completely to Glasgow/Justice.

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Interesting. Mason Crest is listed under Falls Church Pyramid for regions which have administrative purpose in FCPS. It should definitely get grade 6 and so should the rest of the K-5 schools. What % of Mason Crest students are Falls Church? All those BRAC breakouts by Region - ludicrous for Marshall.

If you add up the preK-5 membership at those schools utilization is 96% without modulars and 89% without modulars. Add back in grade 6 from Glasgow, Poe, Holmes and it's 109% and 101% but Holmes could become a K-6.

Timber Lane is under Mclean Pyramid. Should be Marshall or Falls Church. That should have part moved to Shrevewood/Kilmer/Marshall and the part moved to Shrevewood by Thru be Timber Lane/Jackson/Falls Church.

Blah blah blah.

No need to be rude about some facts on 2 split feeders and what region FCPS dumps them into for administrative purposes. And that placement determined where the BRAC reps sat for break outs.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

If your kid is at a MS that splits fairly evenly to two high schools, that's no big deal. They'll have a large cohort of kids going to the same high school yet the chance to make new friends. It's the really uneven split feeders that can be more of an issue but as PP pointed out you get people like the parents at Kilmer who fight to stay at Madison even though only 15% or so of Kilmer feeds there rather than Marshall.

This is why I’m fighting for the idea of an Oakton Area Middle School.

They should get Oakton down to two feeders eventually, probably Franklin and Jackson (again). No need for a new MS.

We have more middle schools than high schools.

When the new high-school opens, we will have one more middle school than high schools.

We should have no more than one or two middle school split feeders, and those midfle schools should not split to more than 2 high schools.

What you want and what other people want and FCPS will do are not the same thing.

I agree that Middle-High School alignment is important, but here’s the thing.

Scenario 4 boundary changes illustrate Bren Mar Park moving back to Annandale from Edison, with all of Parklawn moving to Justice.

The issue lies with Mason Crest.

I propose moving Justice Bound Mason Crest Students to Beech Tree or Belvedere, and with them out, adding 6th grade to Mason Crest, zoning it for Jackson to align with Falls Church, or also rezoning it completely to Glasgow/Justice.

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Interesting. Mason Crest is listed under Falls Church Pyramid for regions which have administrative purpose in FCPS. It should definitely get grade 6 and so should the rest of the K-5 schools. What % of Mason Crest students are Falls Church? All those BRAC breakouts by Region - ludicrous for Marshall.

If you add up the preK-5 membership at those schools utilization is 96% without modulars and 89% without modulars. Add back in grade 6 from Glasgow, Poe, Holmes and it's 109% and 101% but Holmes could become a K-6.

Timber Lane is under Mclean Pyramid. Should be Marshall or Falls Church. That should have part moved to Shrevewood/Kilmer/Marshall and the part moved to Shrevewood by Thru be Timber Lane/Jackson/Falls Church.

Blah blah blah.

No need to be rude about some facts on 2 split feeders and what region FCPS dumps them into for administrative purposes. And that placement determined where the BRAC reps sat for break outs.

Was more a regurgitation of opinions than facts.

Most of Mason Crest feeds to Poe and Falls Church now. They could have put it in either the Annandale pyramid because most of Poe feeds to Annandale or the Falls Church pyramid because most of Mason Crest feeds to Falls Church. The latest proposal made public moves the rest of Mason Crest that now feeds to Glasgow and Justice to Poe and Falls Church, and would eliminate the current split feeder.

It's weird that Marshall is in Region 5, but the BRAC representatives from Marshall still made their voices heard. And we've heard people complain about Shrevewood picking up part of Timber Lane or pushing for all of Timber Lane to move to Falls Church for months now. It's beyond boring.

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We are in a split feeder and it does not bother my kids in the least. I much prefer attending the MS and HS closest to my home than to be funneled with the other part of the school to a MS and HS further away. Most of my kids friends are in the neighborhood anyway and they are also assigned to the same MS/HS. In an area like FCPS I think split feeders are inevitable and kids just need to go to the schools closest to their homes. The issues arise because the schools were plopped down in random places 30 years ago and make the boundaries weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

If your kid is at a MS that splits fairly evenly to two high schools, that's no big deal. They'll have a large cohort of kids going to the same high school yet the chance to make new friends. It's the really uneven split feeders that can be more of an issue but as PP pointed out you get people like the parents at Kilmer who fight to stay at Madison even though only 15% or so of Kilmer feeds there rather than Marshall.

This is why I’m fighting for the idea of an Oakton Area Middle School.

They should get Oakton down to two feeders eventually, probably Franklin and Jackson (again). No need for a new MS.

We have more middle schools than high schools.

When the new high-school opens, we will have one more middle school than high schools.

We should have no more than one or two middle school split feeders, and those midfle schools should not split to more than 2 high schools.

What you want and what other people want and FCPS will do are not the same thing.

I agree that Middle-High School alignment is important, but here’s the thing.

Scenario 4 boundary changes illustrate Bren Mar Park moving back to Annandale from Edison, with all of Parklawn moving to Justice.

The issue lies with Mason Crest.

I propose moving Justice Bound Mason Crest Students to Beech Tree or Belvedere, and with them out, adding 6th grade to Mason Crest, zoning it for Jackson to align with Falls Church, or also rezoning it completely to Glasgow/Justice.

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Interesting. Mason Crest is listed under Falls Church Pyramid for regions which have administrative purpose in FCPS. It should definitely get grade 6 and so should the rest of the K-5 schools. What % of Mason Crest students are Falls Church? All those BRAC breakouts by Region - ludicrous for Marshall.

If you add up the preK-5 membership at those schools utilization is 96% without modulars and 89% without modulars. Add back in grade 6 from Glasgow, Poe, Holmes and it's 109% and 101% but Holmes could become a K-6.

Timber Lane is under Mclean Pyramid. Should be Marshall or Falls Church. That should have part moved to Shrevewood/Kilmer/Marshall and the part moved to Shrevewood by Thru be Timber Lane/Jackson/Falls Church.

Yes, but what is Mason Crests Program capacity?

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

If your kid is at a MS that splits fairly evenly to two high schools, that's no big deal. They'll have a large cohort of kids going to the same high school yet the chance to make new friends. It's the really uneven split feeders that can be more of an issue but as PP pointed out you get people like the parents at Kilmer who fight to stay at Madison even though only 15% or so of Kilmer feeds there rather than Marshall.

This is why I’m fighting for the idea of an Oakton Area Middle School.

They should get Oakton down to two feeders eventually, probably Franklin and Jackson (again). No need for a new MS.

We have more middle schools than high schools.

When the new high-school opens, we will have one more middle school than high schools.

We should have no more than one or two middle school split feeders, and those midfle schools should not split to more than 2 high schools.

What you want and what other people want and FCPS will do are not the same thing.

I agree that Middle-High School alignment is important, but here’s the thing.

Scenario 4 boundary changes illustrate Bren Mar Park moving back to Annandale from Edison, with all of Parklawn moving to Justice.

The issue lies with Mason Crest.

I propose moving Justice Bound Mason Crest Students to Beech Tree or Belvedere, and with them out, adding 6th grade to Mason Crest, zoning it for Jackson to align with Falls Church, or also rezoning it completely to Glasgow/Justice.

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Interesting. Mason Crest is listed under Falls Church Pyramid for regions which have administrative purpose in FCPS. It should definitely get grade 6 and so should the rest of the K-5 schools. What % of Mason Crest students are Falls Church? All those BRAC breakouts by Region - ludicrous for Marshall.

If you add up the preK-5 membership at those schools utilization is 96% without modulars and 89% without modulars. Add back in grade 6 from Glasgow, Poe, Holmes and it's 109% and 101% but Holmes could become a K-6.

Timber Lane is under Mclean Pyramid. Should be Marshall or Falls Church. That should have part moved to Shrevewood/Kilmer/Marshall and the part moved to Shrevewood by Thru be Timber Lane/Jackson/Falls Church.

Blah blah blah.

No need to be rude about some facts on 2 split feeders and what region FCPS dumps them into for administrative purposes. And that placement determined where the BRAC reps sat for break outs.

Was more a regurgitation of opinions than facts.

Most of Mason Crest feeds to Poe and Falls Church now. They could have put it in either the Annandale pyramid because most of Poe feeds to Annandale or the Falls Church pyramid because most of Mason Crest feeds to Falls Church. The latest proposal made public moves the rest of Mason Crest that now feeds to Glasgow and Justice to Poe and Falls Church, and would eliminate the current split feeder.

It's weird that Marshall is in Region 5, but the BRAC representatives from Marshall still made their voices heard. And we've heard people complain about Shrevewood picking up part of Timber Lane or pushing for all of Timber Lane to move to Falls Church for months now. It's beyond boring.

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Marshall is in Region 5 because the region needed an IB school in it. I swear that’s the only logical reason.

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You can now see Reid's proposal.

Mason Crest's program capacity is 846.

They weren't proposing to move kids into Mason Crest, just to move the Mason Crest kids feeding to Glasgow/Justice to Poe/Falls Church. That's in response to Ricardy Anderson's years-long advocacy to reduce the enrollment at Glasgow.

Reid's proposals exclude any prior proposals impacting Timber Lane, Graham Road, Shrevewood, and Pine Spring. That will make Timber Lane, Shrevewood, and Pine Spring happy, and make some folks who thought they were moving into a very different Graham Road unhappy. I assume they couldn't figure out how to "fix" Graham Road without creating new problems (a new attendance island at Timber Lane and a lopsided split feeder at Shrevewood). I can't argue with the notion that, if you can't fix an existing "problem" without creating one or more new "problems," you should just leave things alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Marshall is in Region 5 because the region needed an IB school in it. I swear that’s the only logical reason.

Were you the poster who solved that riddle previously? It's the best explanation ever provided.

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Anonymous wrote:You can now see Reid's proposal.

Mason Crest's program capacity is 846.

They weren't proposing to move kids into Mason Crest, just to move the Mason Crest kids feeding to Glasgow/Justice to Poe/Falls Church. That's in response to Ricardy Anderson's years-long advocacy to reduce the enrollment at Glasgow.

Reid's proposals exclude any prior proposals impacting Timber Lane, Graham Road, Shrevewood, and Pine Spring. That will make Timber Lane, Shrevewood, and Pine Spring happy, and make some folks who thought they were moving into a very different Graham Road unhappy. I assume they couldn't figure out how to "fix" Graham Road without creating new problems (a new attendance island at Timber Lane and a lopsided split feeder at Shrevewood). I can't argue with the notion that, if you can't fix an existing "problem" without creating one or more new "problems," you should just leave things alone.

I wonder why they didn’t at least move the Pine Spring island to Timber Lane to help balance capacity and eliminate an island. Guess it was easier to scrap it entirely since capacity/island metrics went out the window.

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Anonymous wrote:You can now see Reid's proposal.

Mason Crest's program capacity is 846.

They weren't proposing to move kids into Mason Crest, just to move the Mason Crest kids feeding to Glasgow/Justice to Poe/Falls Church. That's in response to Ricardy Anderson's years-long advocacy to reduce the enrollment at Glasgow.

Reid's proposals exclude any prior proposals impacting Timber Lane, Graham Road, Shrevewood, and Pine Spring. That will make Timber Lane, Shrevewood, and Pine Spring happy, and make some folks who thought they were moving into a very different Graham Road unhappy. I assume they couldn't figure out how to "fix" Graham Road without creating new problems (a new attendance island at Timber Lane and a lopsided split feeder at Shrevewood). I can't argue with the notion that, if you can't fix an existing "problem" without creating one or more new "problems," you should just leave things alone.

I wonder why they didn’t at least move the Pine Spring island to Timber Lane to help balance capacity and eliminate an island. Guess it was easier to scrap it entirely since capacity/island metrics went out the window.

It's a fair question. It likely got overlooked once they decided not to proceed with the other proposals, which created as many problems as they solved.

If people in that island wanted to move to Timber Lane, they could try to get Karl Frisch to propose an amendment. Neither Timber Lane nor Pine Spring is particularly close but it would put more of Greenway Downs/Jefferson Village at Timber Lane, and Timber Lane has some capacity.

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How come no one is taking the Oakton Middle School idea seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:How come no one is taking the Oakton Middle School idea seriously?

Shuuuuuut up.

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Anonymous wrote:How come no one is taking the Oakton Middle School idea seriously?

Shuuuuuut up.

No, it’s genuinely a good idea.

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Anonymous wrote:How come no one is taking the Oakton Middle School idea seriously?

This has been explained ad nauseum.

1. There is not a need for another middle school. There is capacity availability in existing middle schools.

2. Despite the feelings of the RIO crowd, Oakton-bound students are not any more special than any other students in FCPS. That seems to be a difficult concept for the RIO group in particular.