An Open Discussion on Split Feeders.

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Anonymous wrote:Fcps has 24 traditional high schools.

FCPS has 26 middle schools.

How many split feeder middle schools are there?

Every FCPS high school should have one dedicated middle school that os NOT a split feeder.

Only 2 middle schools should be split feeders; one after the new high school opens.

It should not be difficult to fix this.

Why didn't the boundary review focus on eliminating split feeders, particularly at the middle school level?

People zoned to Madison would rather keep split feeders than end up at Marshall.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

Agreed yet when given the choice between moving to a MS that has fewer after school programs and is weaker academically, most parents will choose the split feeder. There are very few schools where parents would see the move from their split feeder to the MS that feeds into the base school as a positive.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

Agreed yet when given the choice between moving to a MS that has fewer after school programs and is weaker academically, most parents will choose the split feeder. There are very few schools where parents would see the move from their split feeder to the MS that feeds into the base school as a positive.

This is accurate. While split feeders are less than ideal, the alternative is often far worse.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

If your kid is at a MS that splits fairly evenly to two high schools, that's no big deal. They'll have a large cohort of kids going to the same high school yet the chance to make new friends. It's the really uneven split feeders that can be more of an issue but as PP pointed out you get people like the parents at Kilmer who fight to stay at Madison even though only 15% or so of Kilmer feeds there rather than Marshall.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

Agreed yet when given the choice between moving to a MS that has fewer after school programs and is weaker academically, most parents will choose the split feeder. There are very few schools where parents would see the move from their split feeder to the MS that feeds into the base school as a positive.

You don't think some of these after school programs would get created and test scores at the base school would rise if all the AAP kids had to attend school at the base school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fcps has 24 traditional high schools.

FCPS has 26 middle schools.

How many split feeder middle schools are there?

Every FCPS high school should have one dedicated middle school that os NOT a split feeder.

Only 2 middle schools should be split feeders; one after the new high school opens.

It should not be difficult to fix this.

Why didn't the boundary review focus on eliminating split feeders, particularly at the middle school level?

People zoned to Madison would rather keep split feeders than end up at Marshall.

When Dunn Loring ES is close to opening, elementary boundaries will. E reviewed in that area, and I think Stenwood (which sits south of it) will move to Madison with Wolf Trap.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

If your kid is at a MS that splits fairly evenly to two high schools, that's no big deal. They'll have a large cohort of kids going to the same high school yet the chance to make new friends. It's the really uneven split feeders that can be more of an issue but as PP pointed out you get people like the parents at Kilmer who fight to stay at Madison even though only 15% or so of Kilmer feeds there rather than Marshall.

This is why I’m fighting for the idea of an Oakton Area Middle School.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

Agreed yet when given the choice between moving to a MS that has fewer after school programs and is weaker academically, most parents will choose the split feeder. There are very few schools where parents would see the move from their split feeder to the MS that feeds into the base school as a positive.

You don't think some of these after school programs would get created and test scores at the base school would rise if all the AAP kids had to attend school at the base school?

Hughes is an AAP Center and does not have a Mathcounts team or Science Olympiad or most of the other academic clubs that Carson has. So no, I don't think that it is as easy as saying "redistribute the AAP kids" because there are AAP Centers that lack the academic clubs that other schools have.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

If your kid is at a MS that splits fairly evenly to two high schools, that's no big deal. They'll have a large cohort of kids going to the same high school yet the chance to make new friends. It's the really uneven split feeders that can be more of an issue but as PP pointed out you get people like the parents at Kilmer who fight to stay at Madison even though only 15% or so of Kilmer feeds there rather than Marshall.

This is why I’m fighting for the idea of an Oakton Area Middle School.

They should get Oakton down to two feeders eventually, probably Franklin and Jackson (again). No need for a new MS.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

Agreed, that’s why I want a new middle school.

If your kid is at a MS that splits fairly evenly to two high schools, that's no big deal. They'll have a large cohort of kids going to the same high school yet the chance to make new friends. It's the really uneven split feeders that can be more of an issue but as PP pointed out you get people like the parents at Kilmer who fight to stay at Madison even though only 15% or so of Kilmer feeds there rather than Marshall.

This is why I’m fighting for the idea of an Oakton Area Middle School.

They should get Oakton down to two feeders eventually, probably Franklin and Jackson (again). No need for a new MS.

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

Agreed yet when given the choice between moving to a MS that has fewer after school programs and is weaker academically, most parents will choose the split feeder. There are very few schools where parents would see the move from their split feeder to the MS that feeds into the base school as a positive.

You don't think some of these after school programs would get created and test scores at the base school would rise if all the AAP kids had to attend school at the base school?

It definitely would improve middle schools like Key if they had AAP at every middle school

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

If your kid is at a MS that splits fairly evenly to two high schools, that's no big deal. They'll have a large cohort of kids going to the same high school yet the chance to make new friends. It's the really uneven split feeders that can be more of an issue but as PP pointed out you get people like the parents at Kilmer who fight to stay at Madison even though only 15% or so of Kilmer feeds there rather than Marshall.

This is why I’m fighting for the idea of an Oakton Area Middle School.

They should get Oakton down to two feeders eventually, probably Franklin and Jackson (again). No need for a new MS.

We have more middle schools than high schools.

When the new high-school opens, we will have one more middle school than high schools.

We should have no more than one or two middle school split feeders, and those midfle schools should not split to more than 2 high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Demanding AAP at all middle schools so kids don’t leave to go to centers is such a tiring trope. They aren’t doing this anytime soon folks. And they are still going to have centers in elementary schools too. I don’t know why everyone gets so worked up over it.

tell me your kid leaves their pyramid to go to AAP without telling me you leave your pyramid.

this fall the SB voted to have AAP in all middle schools. reid said it may take a few years but it’s coming. there’s no reason kids should go out of pyramid for AAp (and be allowed to stay out of pyramid after)

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Anonymous wrote:I would fix the middle schools in Reston/Oak Hill/Chantilly. There's no reason for Carson, Franklin, Rocky run to be split feeders.

Rocky Run is not a split feeder, but it does have AAP students which feed to other schools like Westfield and Centreville.

AAP is over half the school, and around half of AAP comes from other pyramids. So around 25% of the school is transferring from other pyramids. We are in boundary for Rocky. I'm seriously considering having my AAP kid drop to honors in MS if it's not fixed by then because the kids in those classes should all continue to Chantilly, vs only approx half of the AAP cohort.

You should learn more about MS scheduling before making your decision. My RR student is in AAP and has very few classes with students who were in their ES program. There are just so many students that the mix is much greater. And it doesn’t matter for HS - AAP ends after 8th. If what you’re saying is you think it would be better for your student’s friends too move along with him to high school, I don’t disagree but also see value in having friends at other nearby schools.

Pp here, yes, I would prefer my kid not spend 2 years making friends and then half of them do not continue on to the same school. I think it makes the transition to 9th grade a little more difficult.

If your kid is at a MS that splits fairly evenly to two high schools, that's no big deal. They'll have a large cohort of kids going to the same high school yet the chance to make new friends. It's the really uneven split feeders that can be more of an issue but as PP pointed out you get people like the parents at Kilmer who fight to stay at Madison even though only 15% or so of Kilmer feeds there rather than Marshall.

This is why I’m fighting for the idea of an Oakton Area Middle School.

Oh my God. Let this idea go. It’s a stupid idea and is unnecessary.