How does HB Woodlawn lottery work?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You do know your number. Atop
Pushing lies. Just because your kid didn’t get in doesn’t mean it’s rigged. Very maga!

Uh. No.

No one knows their number prior to “selection”. Been through the hb scam 10 times now across my kids.

It is a complete scam. Admin transfers a granted all the time when APS sees they are going to be sued for one reason or another.

Just costs about 20k in legal fees and takes a year or two but when they are threatened with a real case they cave. They do not want their precious “lottery” system compromised when a student who needs the smaller classes has a case.

You have no idea what you are talking about. If they are doing an admin transfer (and no those do not happen all the time), they could just do it. It would not go through the lottery.

If they did an admin transfer, there would be a paper trail -- hiding it within the lottery, along with the cranky school board members, makes it a "very rare" event or so they claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do know your number. Atop
Pushing lies. Just because your kid didn’t get in doesn’t mean it’s rigged. Very maga!

Uh. No.

No one knows their number prior to “selection”. Been through the hb scam 10 times now across my kids.

It is a complete scam. Admin transfers a granted all the time when APS sees they are going to be sued for one reason or another.

Just costs about 20k in legal fees and takes a year or two but when they are threatened with a real case they cave. They do not want their precious “lottery” system compromised when a student who needs the smaller classes has a case.

You have no idea what you are talking about. If they are doing an admin transfer (and no those do not happen all the time), they could just do it. It would not go through the lottery.

If they did an admin transfer, there would be a paper trail -- hiding it within the lottery, along with the cranky school board members, makes it a "very rare" event or so they claim.

Why do you think an admin transfer would be hidden in the lottery?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wildly paranoid.

We are in lottery for first time this year. Know it’s a very long shot, fingers crossed though. I wish there were more choices for middle school and more programs like HB available.

Best of luck to all

Condolences when you don’t win, hopefully your neighborhood schools are ok. Its too bad you couldn’t trust the lottery to be fair.

And are naive enough to think us advocating for more transparency and fairness of a wildly inequitable program are paranoid.

Yes. I find your approach wildly self serving and paranoid. Trust the process.

There’s no reason to think it’s rigged. And I don’t think we have to know what our numbers are to trust that they’re being honest. It’s probably just to keep folks from calling constantly. I can’t believe it’s going to be aired live. I’d rather just get a notice in the mail. It’s not going to devastate us if the kid doesn’t get in, but it’s a great opportunity if they do.

You live here long enough, you see who is admitted, the siblings admitted (i ran the numbers, the odds are 1% for most schools for that happening). It should be a bigger school for equality with other schools, but either way it should be transparent.

How would having a number to watch for in the lottery spur people to call more?

So you think it's a conspiracy because some siblings are admitted? I do know some families with more than one kid at HB. But I know many many more families with one kid at HB and others at the other schools.

Also, your methodology is flawed. If a family has one kid already at HB, they are more likely to apply for their younger kid. And they keep trying and apply over and over. And they are also more likely to accept a spot mid year and uproot their kid. Other families may just apply once for 6th and then move on.

In my experience if a family keeps applying year after year, they actually have a pretty good shot of eventually getting their kid into HB.

I know several families at HBW. All entered either 6th or 9th, not your edge case. Try again.

We had two kids at H-B, one entered and got off the wait list after three years (this is when they didn't restart it every year, there was one continuous waitlist for middle school and one for high school). The other one we entered for 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th and they got in for 9th. I don't know if anyone was actually chosen from the lottery for 7th and 8th but they did let you apply. But they were also there several years apart, I don't know if people even knew they were siblings.

I know kids who got in in 8th and 10th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is wildly paranoid.

We are in lottery for first time this year. Know it’s a very long shot, fingers crossed though. I wish there were more choices for middle school and more programs like HB available.

Best of luck to all

Condolences when you don’t win, hopefully your neighborhood schools are ok. Its too bad you couldn’t trust the lottery to be fair.

And are naive enough to think us advocating for more transparency and fairness of a wildly inequitable program are paranoid.

Yes. I find your approach wildly self serving and paranoid. Trust the process.

There’s no reason to think it’s rigged. And I don’t think we have to know what our numbers are to trust that they’re being honest. It’s probably just to keep folks from calling constantly. I can’t believe it’s going to be aired live. I’d rather just get a notice in the mail. It’s not going to devastate us if the kid doesn’t get in, but it’s a great opportunity if they do.

You live here long enough, you see who is admitted, the siblings admitted (i ran the numbers, the odds are 1% for most schools for that happening). It should be a bigger school for equality with other schools, but either way it should be transparent.

How would having a number to watch for in the lottery spur people to call more?

This person is weirdly OBSESSED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is wildly paranoid.

We are in lottery for first time this year. Know it’s a very long shot, fingers crossed though. I wish there were more choices for middle school and more programs like HB available.

Best of luck to all

Condolences when you don’t win, hopefully your neighborhood schools are ok. Its too bad you couldn’t trust the lottery to be fair.

And are naive enough to think us advocating for more transparency and fairness of a wildly inequitable program are paranoid.

Yes. I find your approach wildly self serving and paranoid. Trust the process.

There’s no reason to think it’s rigged. And I don’t think we have to know what our numbers are to trust that they’re being honest. It’s probably just to keep folks from calling constantly. I can’t believe it’s going to be aired live. I’d rather just get a notice in the mail. It’s not going to devastate us if the kid doesn’t get in, but it’s a great opportunity if they do.

You live here long enough, you see who is admitted, the siblings admitted (i ran the numbers, the odds are 1% for most schools for that happening). It should be a bigger school for equality with other schools, but either way it should be transparent.

How would having a number to watch for in the lottery spur people to call more?

This person is weirdly OBSESSED.

And doesn't know the difference between data and anadata. And observational bias. She's lotteried 10 times which makes me think maybe she had too many kids and not enough stimulation outside of her domestic life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is wildly paranoid.

We are in lottery for first time this year. Know it’s a very long shot, fingers crossed though. I wish there were more choices for middle school and more programs like HB available.

Best of luck to all

Condolences when you don’t win, hopefully your neighborhood schools are ok. Its too bad you couldn’t trust the lottery to be fair.

And are naive enough to think us advocating for more transparency and fairness of a wildly inequitable program are paranoid.

Yes. I find your approach wildly self serving and paranoid. Trust the process.

There’s no reason to think it’s rigged. And I don’t think we have to know what our numbers are to trust that they’re being honest. It’s probably just to keep folks from calling constantly. I can’t believe it’s going to be aired live. I’d rather just get a notice in the mail. It’s not going to devastate us if the kid doesn’t get in, but it’s a great opportunity if they do.

You live here long enough, you see who is admitted, the siblings admitted (i ran the numbers, the odds are 1% for most schools for that happening). It should be a bigger school for equality with other schools, but either way it should be transparent.

How would having a number to watch for in the lottery spur people to call more?

This person is weirdly OBSESSED.

And doesn't know the difference between data and anadata. And observational bias. She's lotteried 10 times which makes me think maybe she had too many kids and not enough stimulation outside of her domestic life.

The chances that I would personally know 3 multi-sibling HBW families is very small. The math is clear on that. Other PPs mention the same trend — its very unlikely we all know the same families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do know your number. Atop
Pushing lies. Just because your kid didn’t get in doesn’t mean it’s rigged. Very maga!

Uh. No.

No one knows their number prior to “selection”. Been through the hb scam 10 times now across my kids.

It is a complete scam. Admin transfers a granted all the time when APS sees they are going to be sued for one reason or another.

Just costs about 20k in legal fees and takes a year or two but when they are threatened with a real case they cave. They do not want their precious “lottery” system compromised when a student who needs the smaller classes has a case.

You have no idea what you are talking about. If they are doing an admin transfer (and no those do not happen all the time), they could just do it. It would not go through the lottery.

If they did an admin transfer, there would be a paper trail -- hiding it within the lottery, along with the cranky school board members, makes it a "very rare" event or so they claim.

Why do you think an admin transfer would be hidden in the lottery?

It would be hidden because they would assign the number to the squeaky wheel parent who is readying a lawsuit. If they had a public process of admin transfer, and there were dozens and dozens, it would be seen as a viable avenue to gain HBW entry, so they keep it hush hush, to effectively claim “admin transfers are very rare” and thus discourage future attempts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is wildly paranoid.

We are in lottery for first time this year. Know it’s a very long shot, fingers crossed though. I wish there were more choices for middle school and more programs like HB available.

Best of luck to all

Condolences when you don’t win, hopefully your neighborhood schools are ok. Its too bad you couldn’t trust the lottery to be fair.

And are naive enough to think us advocating for more transparency and fairness of a wildly inequitable program are paranoid.

Yes. I find your approach wildly self serving and paranoid. Trust the process.

There’s no reason to think it’s rigged. And I don’t think we have to know what our numbers are to trust that they’re being honest. It’s probably just to keep folks from calling constantly. I can’t believe it’s going to be aired live. I’d rather just get a notice in the mail. It’s not going to devastate us if the kid doesn’t get in, but it’s a great opportunity if they do.

You live here long enough, you see who is admitted, the siblings admitted (i ran the numbers, the odds are 1% for most schools for that happening). It should be a bigger school for equality with other schools, but either way it should be transparent.

How would having a number to watch for in the lottery spur people to call more?

As has been explained to you, once somebody has one kid in the school, they are more likely to apply. And if they have 3, they may try a third time but most people with three kids who don't get one into the school will not lottery for their second and third.

But if your conspiracy theories give you social capital or a brain wash in dopamine, have it but you sounds both low IQ and the kind of person you slowly back away from in a social situation.

This person is weirdly OBSESSED.

And doesn't know the difference between data and anadata. And observational bias. She's lotteried 10 times which makes me think maybe she had too many kids and not enough stimulation outside of her domestic life.

The chances that I would personally know 3 multi-sibling HBW families is very small. The math is clear on that. Other PPs mention the same trend — its very unlikely we all know the same families.

As has been explained to you, once somebody has one kid in the school, they are more likely to apply. And if they have 3, they may try a third time but most people with three kids who don't get one into the school will not lottery for their second and third.

But if your conspiracy theories give you social capital or a brain wash in dopamine, have it but you sounds both low IQ and the kind of person you slowly back away from in a social situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do know your number. Atop
Pushing lies. Just because your kid didn’t get in doesn’t mean it’s rigged. Very maga!

Uh. No.

No one knows their number prior to “selection”. Been through the hb scam 10 times now across my kids.

It is a complete scam. Admin transfers a granted all the time when APS sees they are going to be sued for one reason or another.

Just costs about 20k in legal fees and takes a year or two but when they are threatened with a real case they cave. They do not want their precious “lottery” system compromised when a student who needs the smaller classes has a case.

You have no idea what you are talking about. If they are doing an admin transfer (and no those do not happen all the time), they could just do it. It would not go through the lottery.

If they did an admin transfer, there would be a paper trail -- hiding it within the lottery, along with the cranky school board members, makes it a "very rare" event or so they claim.

Why do you think an admin transfer would be hidden in the lottery?

It would be hidden because they would assign the number to the squeaky wheel parent who is readying a lawsuit. If they had a public process of admin transfer, and there were dozens and dozens, it would be seen as a viable avenue to gain HBW entry, so they keep it hush hush, to effectively claim “admin transfers are very rare” and thus discourage future attempts.

Baby, you’re crackers.

[Anonymous]

But is there an algorithm to the lottery? I see that only so many kids from each school can get in, so do they run the big lottery, then use that to pick the final students?

Also, do they account for diversity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But is there an algorithm to the lottery? I see that only so many kids from each school can get in, so do they run the big lottery, then use that to pick the final students?

Also, do they account for diversity?

There is no diversity quota for H-B. There was a brief experiment in that direction by APS in the early or mid 90s, but parents sued and won.

APS has since removed any vestiges on balancing diversity among the schools or programs in its policies. In this day and age, neighborhood schools and continuity are the priority and the safe path forward, which avoids costly lawsuits. Programs are by lottery, with available slots by school for some programs.

Also people forget that the most disadvantaged in our community always push back when included in proposals to balance demographics.

I'm not saying I support the above point of view. This is just the status quo.

[Anonymous]

HB tries to get diversity, legally, by taking a few kids from every APS elementary school. (There are 24 separate 5th grade lotteries for their rising 6th graders and 6 separate lotteries for rising 9th graders).

A student came up with the current system after the quota system was shot down by the courts ("disadvantaged" white parents sued and won). According to the latest dashboard the student body is 53% white.

[Anonymous]

I know that they take kids from each school. I would be curious to know who applies the most, per school. I know some of the schools that serve diverse communities have way fewer applicants. Are those applicants just the white kids? Like, if you go to Hoffman-Boston, you have a way higher chance than if you go to Cardinal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do know your number. Atop
Pushing lies. Just because your kid didn’t get in doesn’t mean it’s rigged. Very maga!

Uh. No.

No one knows their number prior to “selection”. Been through the hb scam 10 times now across my kids.

It is a complete scam. Admin transfers a granted all the time when APS sees they are going to be sued for one reason or another.

Just costs about 20k in legal fees and takes a year or two but when they are threatened with a real case they cave. They do not want their precious “lottery” system compromised when a student who needs the smaller classes has a case.

You have no idea what you are talking about. If they are doing an admin transfer (and no those do not happen all the time), they could just do it. It would not go through the lottery.

If they did an admin transfer, there would be a paper trail -- hiding it within the lottery, along with the cranky school board members, makes it a "very rare" event or so they claim.

Why do you think an admin transfer would be hidden in the lottery?

It would be hidden because they would assign the number to the squeaky wheel parent who is readying a lawsuit. If they had a public process of admin transfer, and there were dozens and dozens, it would be seen as a viable avenue to gain HBW entry, so they keep it hush hush, to effectively claim “admin transfers are very rare” and thus discourage future attempts.

Wow. You sound really uneducated. And unfortunately lack of education breeds conspiracy theories. Admin transfers are not public not because there is some huge cover up but because of student confidentiality. Just like you don't get to see other students' grades or discipline records. But you will not be convinced so I guess go on believing in your fake news. It's sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know that they take kids from each school. I would be curious to know who applies the most, per school. I know some of the schools that serve diverse communities have way fewer applicants. Are those applicants just the white kids? Like, if you go to Hoffman-Boston, you have a way higher chance than if you go to Cardinal.

Too lazy to look it up but there are transfer tables for each option school including HB. So you’ll see cardinal had over 50 lottery for 5ish seats and some far away s arl school have 4 people lottery for 2 spaces.