Klonopin is a heck of a drug

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

Exactly. I hate these "sound bite posters" who have very little knowledge about these drugs but feel the need to chime in with "benzos bad" in every thread.

Benzos are bad. Very bad. And plenty of people with vast knowledge on this will tell you that. NP.

Like who?

Like the AMA.

The AMA does not say “Benzos are bad”. Yes taking them recreationally is bad. Taking them a couple times a year for panic attacks or episodic anxiety issues (like flying, or going to the dentist) is fine.
Signed, a doctor.

Sure, doc. But, and hear me out here, how about teaching your patients some coping skills that aren't drugs, or giving them drugs that have low or no recreational value, especially if they only need them once or twice a year?

Very few people truly need these meds. Lots of people want them. Lots of people don't want to deal with reality. These things are related, and a primary cause of addiction issues.

DP, how about you eff off. I hate ignorant people like you.

Please learn coping skills next time you get an infection or your BP is high.

Aww, the benzo addict is triggered. You can't think away an infection, and while calming down (a skill you clearly lack) can help lower your blood pressure in way, it's not going to fix any physiological problem that raised your BP in the first place.

Your anxiety is literally all in your head, and there are plenty of things you can do to wrangle it that don't involve medicating away the symptoms. And that's all your little benzo does: block the symptoms, temporarily. If you know that you get anxious when you fly (which won't kill you, BTW), you can unfsck that in your own head with therapy, meditation, breathing, simple lessons in acceptance, not being a control freak, etc. But you're a lazy candyass who doesn't want to do that work, so you pop pills. If you can admit that, there's no problem. But you can't, so you make these ridiculous arguments about how benzos "save lives". No, they save intellectually lazy people from the labor required to manage their feelings without drugs.

Maybe follow your own advice and go for a walk. Mind your own house. PP can take her own risks. What good are your lectures? Do you make all those anti-alcohol threads too, and think you’re sharing new information? People know the risks.

You might, probably from experience, but a lot of people don't know the risks. They know "opiates bad" but think that klonopin is fine because it's not an opiate. There's a disturbingly high number of people who will take whatever they're prescribed without even asking about side effects, let alone researching addictive potential or withdrawal symptoms.

If you already know, great. Someone reading this thread probably didn't. If someone explains it, maybe they'll learn something. You don't have to be a hater about people sharing information. What a weird take.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI occasional gummies work better. There are some for insomnia and some for anxiety.

FYI "gummies" have addictive potential and a host of side effects. Arguably, they're even less safe than benzos; at least benzos are regulated and you know what you're getting.

Its insane to me that we are not regulating pot because it can 1000 percent be beneficial for many.

To a point, under certain circumstances, used carefully and short-term, maybe. What's really insane is how little we know about the long-term impact of steady THC use, and how little is said about the downsides and dangers of cannabis use.

It’s also been very helpful to a lot of people. Certain people will abuse anything and develop an addiction. Food is one of the main ones in this country. But we study it and make recommendations based on data. A lot of the stigma around THC is just propaganda and “say no to drugs,” but in reality we have very little empirical data.

Unfortunately, unlike benzos and other drugs, we've got both the reefer madness/just say no propaganda AND an actual lack of science to explain the GI issues, cannabis-induced psychosis, cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome and legitimate addictive potential linked to cannabis. We've also got strains bred for crazy-high THC, and concentrates, waxes, shatters that will literally blow your mind in a puff or two. And don't neglect the addictive potential of methods like vapes. At least if you have to get off your ass and go smoke outside, there's some limit (especially in the winter), but you can vape basically anywhere, anytime.

Mention any of that, and some crusty old pothead and/or some newfangled gummiemuncher is going to jump right down your throat with the whole 'It's just weed!" nonsense. Cannabis users are taking a lot more risks than they know, and getting support and help if you get yourself in trouble is a lot harder than getting help with alcohol, benzos, opiates, etc.

There is a grain of truth with a whole lot of nonsense in your post.

The pp's point is valid throughout. Sorry you're too high to process it.

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

Exactly. I hate these "sound bite posters" who have very little knowledge about these drugs but feel the need to chime in with "benzos bad" in every thread.

Benzos are bad. Very bad. And plenty of people with vast knowledge on this will tell you that. NP.

Like who?

Like the AMA.

The AMA does not say “Benzos are bad”. Yes taking them recreationally is bad. Taking them a couple times a year for panic attacks or episodic anxiety issues (like flying, or going to the dentist) is fine.
Signed, a doctor.

Sure, doc. But, and hear me out here, how about teaching your patients some coping skills that aren't drugs, or giving them drugs that have low or no recreational value, especially if they only need them once or twice a year?

Very few people truly need these meds. Lots of people want them. Lots of people don't want to deal with reality. These things are related, and a primary cause of addiction issues.

DP, how about you eff off. I hate ignorant people like you.

Please learn coping skills next time you get an infection or your BP is high.

Aww, the benzo addict is triggered. You can't think away an infection, and while calming down (a skill you clearly lack) can help lower your blood pressure in way, it's not going to fix any physiological problem that raised your BP in the first place.

Your anxiety is literally all in your head, and there are plenty of things you can do to wrangle it that don't involve medicating away the symptoms. And that's all your little benzo does: block the symptoms, temporarily. If you know that you get anxious when you fly (which won't kill you, BTW), you can unfsck that in your own head with therapy, meditation, breathing, simple lessons in acceptance, not being a control freak, etc. But you're a lazy candyass who doesn't want to do that work, so you pop pills. If you can admit that, there's no problem. But you can't, so you make these ridiculous arguments about how benzos "save lives". No, they save intellectually lazy people from the labor required to manage their feelings without drugs.

Maybe follow your own advice and go for a walk. Mind your own house. PP can take her own risks. What good are your lectures? Do you make all those anti-alcohol threads too, and think you’re sharing new information? People know the risks.

You might, probably from experience, but a lot of people don't know the risks. They know "opiates bad" but think that klonopin is fine because it's not an opiate. There's a disturbingly high number of people who will take whatever they're prescribed without even asking about side effects, let alone researching addictive potential or withdrawal symptoms.

If you already know, great. Someone reading this thread probably didn't. If someone explains it, maybe they'll learn something. You don't have to be a hater about people sharing information. What a weird take.

There is no DCUM poster in 2025 who does not know this.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI occasional gummies work better. There are some for insomnia and some for anxiety.

FYI "gummies" have addictive potential and a host of side effects. Arguably, they're even less safe than benzos; at least benzos are regulated and you know what you're getting.

THC edibles sold in dispensaries are regulated under state laws. They are far less physiologically dependency-forming than benzodiazepines.

No, they're actually not. You'd think that, but they're not.

IDK where you live. They are regulated here.

https://cannabis.maryland.gov/Pages/law.aspx

Oh, lil buddy. Trust, as a former MD cannabis card carrying user, I know. And that link doesn't say what you think it says. If you think every batch of gummies is 3rd party tested, welp, you're probably that gullible because you're high af.

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

Exactly. I hate these "sound bite posters" who have very little knowledge about these drugs but feel the need to chime in with "benzos bad" in every thread.

Benzos are bad. Very bad. And plenty of people with vast knowledge on this will tell you that. NP.

Like who?

Like the AMA.

The AMA does not say “Benzos are bad”. Yes taking them recreationally is bad. Taking them a couple times a year for panic attacks or episodic anxiety issues (like flying, or going to the dentist) is fine.
Signed, a doctor.

Sure, doc. But, and hear me out here, how about teaching your patients some coping skills that aren't drugs, or giving them drugs that have low or no recreational value, especially if they only need them once or twice a year?

Very few people truly need these meds. Lots of people want them. Lots of people don't want to deal with reality. These things are related, and a primary cause of addiction issues.

DP, how about you eff off. I hate ignorant people like you.

Please learn coping skills next time you get an infection or your BP is high.

Aww, the benzo addict is triggered. You can't think away an infection, and while calming down (a skill you clearly lack) can help lower your blood pressure in way, it's not going to fix any physiological problem that raised your BP in the first place.

Your anxiety is literally all in your head, and there are plenty of things you can do to wrangle it that don't involve medicating away the symptoms. And that's all your little benzo does: block the symptoms, temporarily. If you know that you get anxious when you fly (which won't kill you, BTW), you can unfsck that in your own head with therapy, meditation, breathing, simple lessons in acceptance, not being a control freak, etc. But you're a lazy candyass who doesn't want to do that work, so you pop pills. If you can admit that, there's no problem. But you can't, so you make these ridiculous arguments about how benzos "save lives". No, they save intellectually lazy people from the labor required to manage their feelings without drugs.

Maybe follow your own advice and go for a walk. Mind your own house. PP can take her own risks. What good are your lectures? Do you make all those anti-alcohol threads too, and think you’re sharing new information? People know the risks.

You might, probably from experience, but a lot of people don't know the risks. They know "opiates bad" but think that klonopin is fine because it's not an opiate. There's a disturbingly high number of people who will take whatever they're prescribed without even asking about side effects, let alone researching addictive potential or withdrawal symptoms.

If you already know, great. Someone reading this thread probably didn't. If someone explains it, maybe they'll learn something. You don't have to be a hater about people sharing information. What a weird take.

There is no DCUM poster in 2025 who does not know this.

You think MUCH too highly of the intelligence level of the average DCUM poster.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI occasional gummies work better. There are some for insomnia and some for anxiety.

FYI "gummies" have addictive potential and a host of side effects. Arguably, they're even less safe than benzos; at least benzos are regulated and you know what you're getting.

Its insane to me that we are not regulating pot because it can 1000 percent be beneficial for many.

To a point, under certain circumstances, used carefully and short-term, maybe. What's really insane is how little we know about the long-term impact of steady THC use, and how little is said about the downsides and dangers of cannabis use.

It’s also been very helpful to a lot of people. Certain people will abuse anything and develop an addiction. Food is one of the main ones in this country. But we study it and make recommendations based on data. A lot of the stigma around THC is just propaganda and “say no to drugs,” but in reality we have very little empirical data.

Unfortunately, unlike benzos and other drugs, we've got both the reefer madness/just say no propaganda AND an actual lack of science to explain the GI issues, cannabis-induced psychosis, cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome and legitimate addictive potential linked to cannabis. We've also got strains bred for crazy-high THC, and concentrates, waxes, shatters that will literally blow your mind in a puff or two. And don't neglect the addictive potential of methods like vapes. At least if you have to get off your ass and go smoke outside, there's some limit (especially in the winter), but you can vape basically anywhere, anytime.

Mention any of that, and some crusty old pothead and/or some newfangled gummiemuncher is going to jump right down your throat with the whole 'It's just weed!" nonsense. Cannabis users are taking a lot more risks than they know, and getting support and help if you get yourself in trouble is a lot harder than getting help with alcohol, benzos, opiates, etc.

There is a grain of truth with a whole lot of nonsense in your post.

The pp's point is valid throughout. Sorry you're too high to process it.

Sorry you’re just too dumb to understand that it’s not. Sorry you don’t have the skills to explain your point of view without resorting to baseless personal attacks.

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

Exactly. I hate these "sound bite posters" who have very little knowledge about these drugs but feel the need to chime in with "benzos bad" in every thread.

Benzos are bad. Very bad. And plenty of people with vast knowledge on this will tell you that. NP.

Like who?

Like the AMA.

The AMA does not say “Benzos are bad”. Yes taking them recreationally is bad. Taking them a couple times a year for panic attacks or episodic anxiety issues (like flying, or going to the dentist) is fine.
Signed, a doctor.

Sure, doc. But, and hear me out here, how about teaching your patients some coping skills that aren't drugs, or giving them drugs that have low or no recreational value, especially if they only need them once or twice a year?

Very few people truly need these meds. Lots of people want them. Lots of people don't want to deal with reality. These things are related, and a primary cause of addiction issues.

DP, how about you eff off. I hate ignorant people like you.

Please learn coping skills next time you get an infection or your BP is high.

Aww, the benzo addict is triggered. You can't think away an infection, and while calming down (a skill you clearly lack) can help lower your blood pressure in way, it's not going to fix any physiological problem that raised your BP in the first place.

Your anxiety is literally all in your head, and there are plenty of things you can do to wrangle it that don't involve medicating away the symptoms. And that's all your little benzo does: block the symptoms, temporarily. If you know that you get anxious when you fly (which won't kill you, BTW), you can unfsck that in your own head with therapy, meditation, breathing, simple lessons in acceptance, not being a control freak, etc. But you're a lazy candyass who doesn't want to do that work, so you pop pills. If you can admit that, there's no problem. But you can't, so you make these ridiculous arguments about how benzos "save lives". No, they save intellectually lazy people from the labor required to manage their feelings without drugs.

Maybe follow your own advice and go for a walk. Mind your own house. PP can take her own risks. What good are your lectures? Do you make all those anti-alcohol threads too, and think you’re sharing new information? People know the risks.

You might, probably from experience, but a lot of people don't know the risks. They know "opiates bad" but think that klonopin is fine because it's not an opiate. There's a disturbingly high number of people who will take whatever they're prescribed without even asking about side effects, let alone researching addictive potential or withdrawal symptoms.

If you already know, great. Someone reading this thread probably didn't. If someone explains it, maybe they'll learn something. You don't have to be a hater about people sharing information. What a weird take.

There is no DCUM poster in 2025 who does not know this.

You think MUCH too highly of the intelligence level of the average DCUM poster.

Yeah, you’re definitely informing the masses with your “anxiety is all in your head” posts. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

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Anonymous wrote:FYI occasional gummies work better. There are some for insomnia and some for anxiety.

FYI "gummies" have addictive potential and a host of side effects. Arguably, they're even less safe than benzos; at least benzos are regulated and you know what you're getting.

THC edibles sold in dispensaries are regulated under state laws. They are far less physiologically dependency-forming than benzodiazepines.

No, they're actually not. You'd think that, but they're not.

IDK where you live. They are regulated here.

https://cannabis.maryland.gov/Pages/law.aspx

Oh, lil buddy. Trust, as a former MD cannabis card carrying user, I know. And that link doesn't say what you think it says. If you think every batch of gummies is 3rd party tested, welp, you're probably that gullible because you're high af.

Maybe your brain is all friend, but you’re not the authority on cannabis that you think you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

Exactly. I hate these "sound bite posters" who have very little knowledge about these drugs but feel the need to chime in with "benzos bad" in every thread.

Benzos are bad. Very bad. And plenty of people with vast knowledge on this will tell you that. NP.

Like who?

Like the AMA.

The AMA does not say “Benzos are bad”. Yes taking them recreationally is bad. Taking them a couple times a year for panic attacks or episodic anxiety issues (like flying, or going to the dentist) is fine.
Signed, a doctor.

Sure, doc. But, and hear me out here, how about teaching your patients some coping skills that aren't drugs, or giving them drugs that have low or no recreational value, especially if they only need them once or twice a year?

Very few people truly need these meds. Lots of people want them. Lots of people don't want to deal with reality. These things are related, and a primary cause of addiction issues.

DP, how about you eff off. I hate ignorant people like you.

Please learn coping skills next time you get an infection or your BP is high.

Aww, the benzo addict is triggered. You can't think away an infection, and while calming down (a skill you clearly lack) can help lower your blood pressure in way, it's not going to fix any physiological problem that raised your BP in the first place.

Your anxiety is literally all in your head, and there are plenty of things you can do to wrangle it that don't involve medicating away the symptoms. And that's all your little benzo does: block the symptoms, temporarily. If you know that you get anxious when you fly (which won't kill you, BTW), you can unfsck that in your own head with therapy, meditation, breathing, simple lessons in acceptance, not being a control freak, etc. But you're a lazy candyass who doesn't want to do that work, so you pop pills. If you can admit that, there's no problem. But you can't, so you make these ridiculous arguments about how benzos "save lives". No, they save intellectually lazy people from the labor required to manage their feelings without drugs.

Maybe follow your own advice and go for a walk. Mind your own house. PP can take her own risks. What good are your lectures? Do you make all those anti-alcohol threads too, and think you’re sharing new information? People know the risks.

You might, probably from experience, but a lot of people don't know the risks. They know "opiates bad" but think that klonopin is fine because it's not an opiate. There's a disturbingly high number of people who will take whatever they're prescribed without even asking about side effects, let alone researching addictive potential or withdrawal symptoms.

If you already know, great. Someone reading this thread probably didn't. If someone explains it, maybe they'll learn something. You don't have to be a hater about people sharing information. What a weird take.

There is no DCUM poster in 2025 who does not know this.

You think MUCH too highly of the intelligence level of the average DCUM poster.

You don't have to be intelligent to know this.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI occasional gummies work better. There are some for insomnia and some for anxiety.

FYI "gummies" have addictive potential and a host of side effects. Arguably, they're even less safe than benzos; at least benzos are regulated and you know what you're getting.

THC edibles sold in dispensaries are regulated under state laws. They are far less physiologically dependency-forming than benzodiazepines.

No, they're actually not. You'd think that, but they're not.

IDK where you live. They are regulated here.

https://cannabis.maryland.gov/Pages/law.aspx

Oh, lil buddy. Trust, as a former MD cannabis card carrying user, I know. And that link doesn't say what you think it says. If you think every batch of gummies is 3rd party tested, welp, you're probably that gullible because you're high af.

Not every batch of Rx medication is third-party tested either. That is not what “regulation” means. But since you seem to be in this conversation for the satisfaction of some purpose other than discussion of facts, I’ll bid you farewell here.

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Different psychiatrist here. Agree benzos have their place and can be tremendously helpful, but there are very few cases where daily use is warranted. I have had a much easier time tapering off daily benzos (for inherited patients either from elderly psychiatrists or undertrained, overaggressive nurse practitioners) than tapering off daily THC in any form. When I see a new patient who is smoking weed or using gummies daily, I know from experience there's almost nothing I can do to help them with their problems until they stop using, and even if they want to (which is rare), there just aren't any resources out there to help them stop, and it's so hard. The few who do eventually stop do much better.

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Anonymous wrote:Different psychiatrist here. Agree benzos have their place and can be tremendously helpful, but there are very few cases where daily use is warranted. I have had a much easier time tapering off daily benzos (for inherited patients either from elderly psychiatrists or undertrained, overaggressive nurse practitioners) than tapering off daily THC in any form. When I see a new patient who is smoking weed or using gummies daily, I know from experience there's almost nothing I can do to help them with their problems until they stop using, and even if they want to (which is rare), there just aren't any resources out there to help them stop, and it's so hard. The few who do eventually stop do much better.

Interesting. Is that because of psychological addiction to THC?

[Anonymous]

I'm the DCUM poster who mentions this any time Klonopin is mentioned: Stevie Nicks said recovering from Klonopin use was the hardest of any drug.

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Anonymous wrote:Different psychiatrist here. Agree benzos have their place and can be tremendously helpful, but there are very few cases where daily use is warranted. I have had a much easier time tapering off daily benzos (for inherited patients either from elderly psychiatrists or undertrained, overaggressive nurse practitioners) than tapering off daily THC in any form. When I see a new patient who is smoking weed or using gummies daily, I know from experience there's almost nothing I can do to help them with their problems until they stop using, and even if they want to (which is rare), there just aren't any resources out there to help them stop, and it's so hard. The few who do eventually stop do much better.

Interesting. Is that because of psychological addiction to THC?

In before the MJ defenders arrive: Marijuana is not addictive. Even if it is, plenty of CEOs that I know personally use marijuana daily without any issues.

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Elon Musk uses ketamine and did a heck of a job with DOGE.