Klonopin is a heck of a drug

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Anonymous wrote:I used xanax once for a medical procedure and I could absolutely see myself getting addicted. It was fantastic.

I say the same about morphine.

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I don’t understand the appeal. I have had Xanax and it makes me feel nothing at all. Maybe helps me sleep a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:Is taking three or four a month too much?

If it’s 3-4 a month thats likely ok but that’s much more likely to escalate to daily use (and the physiologic dependence/difficulty going off of it that comes with it) than the people who are truly using it a a few times per year for root canals or transatlantic flights or whatever.

If you are having that degree of anxiety essentially weekly I’d look into therapy and/or an ssri if that’s not sufficient.

Also, Xanax is much more likely to be habit forming than klonopin (though with consistent use it’s a problem with both.)

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Anonymous wrote:^and all chemo patients received the same prescription.

This is not true. I did not get lorazepam with my chemo. Instead, they gave me steroids to prevent nausea and other side effects of chemo.

Lorazepam and Xanax are type of benzodiazepines. They carry a risk of dependence and abuse, and both can cause withdrawal symptoms if stopped abruptly.

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

Exactly. I hate these "sound bite posters" who have very little knowledge about these drugs but feel the need to chime in with "benzos bad" in every thread.

Benzos are bad. Very bad. And plenty of people with vast knowledge on this will tell you that. NP.

Like who?

Like the AMA.

The AMA does not say “Benzos are bad”. Yes taking them recreationally is bad. Taking them a couple times a year for panic attacks or episodic anxiety issues (like flying, or going to the dentist) is fine.
Signed, a doctor.

This is key. They work really well for anxiety. Most anxiety sufferers don’t get anxiety only a couple of times a year, end up taking them regularly and become addicted. And there are many doctors who don’t warn patients that these are to be used only occasionally for severe anxiety.

My 78yo mil has been popping xanax like tic tacs for 30 years. She appeared late and intoxicated by benzos to her dhs funeral. She was laughing. She takes them for anxiety.

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

What do you mean when you say regularly? Do you mean every day? Then you are benzo dependent.

You would find that out if you quit cold turkey tomorrow after taking daily benzoS for 20 years

Exactly. "I've used benzos for 20 years and have no trouble, as long as I keep taking my benzos". Quit your benzo for 6 months and then come back to this thread.

DP, maybe learn how to read. PP said "as needed" which could be a few times a month or even a few times a year. No one is addicted to benzos in that scenario.

DP, and maybe you can also learn how to read. The out-and-proud, two decade user of benzos didn't describe their dosing. Their "as needed" could be daily, at bedtime. Or it could be once a year when she gets get a root canal. I doubt the latter because she's so defiant about DEFINITELY NOT being habituated to a mind-altering drug that she's taken for half a lifetime.

But none of us know because she refused to say.

I'm supposed to read what PP didn't write? Mkkkayyyy you're not very bright.

No amount of your making stuff up to prove your point will negate that the medical community still relies on these medications to help patients with anxiety. Many people use them AS NEEDED and responsibly with great success. Your "doubting" the pp is irrelevant and pointless.

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

Exactly. I hate these "sound bite posters" who have very little knowledge about these drugs but feel the need to chime in with "benzos bad" in every thread.

Benzos are bad. Very bad. And plenty of people with vast knowledge on this will tell you that. NP.

Like who?

Like the AMA.

The AMA does not say “Benzos are bad”. Yes taking them recreationally is bad. Taking them a couple times a year for panic attacks or episodic anxiety issues (like flying, or going to the dentist) is fine.
Signed, a doctor.

Sure, doc. But, and hear me out here, how about teaching your patients some coping skills that aren't drugs, or giving them drugs that have low or no recreational value, especially if they only need them once or twice a year?

Very few people truly need these meds. Lots of people want them. Lots of people don't want to deal with reality. These things are related, and a primary cause of addiction issues.

DP, how about you eff off. I hate ignorant people like you.

Please learn coping skills next time you get an infection or your BP is high.

Aww, the benzo addict is triggered. You can't think away an infection, and while calming down (a skill you clearly lack) can help lower your blood pressure in way, it's not going to fix any physiological problem that raised your BP in the first place.

Your anxiety is literally all in your head, and there are plenty of things you can do to wrangle it that don't involve medicating away the symptoms. And that's all your little benzo does: block the symptoms, temporarily. If you know that you get anxious when you fly (which won't kill you, BTW), you can unfsck that in your own head with therapy, meditation, breathing, simple lessons in acceptance, not being a control freak, etc. But you're a lazy candyass who doesn't want to do that work, so you pop pills. If you can admit that, there's no problem. But you can't, so you make these ridiculous arguments about how benzos "save lives". No, they save intellectually lazy people from the labor required to manage their feelings without drugs.

Awwww, our resident dumb ass has come back to chime in with baseless claims and personal insults because she has no argument. Again, go eff yourself. You are ignorant, uneducated and plain dumb. Come back when you actually have something of value to contribute.

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FYI occasional gummies work better. There are some for insomnia and some for anxiety.

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

You're joking, right? In 20 years you couldn't get therapy, address your issue or find other methods to cope with whatever occasion?

You seem confused. Klonopin, used occasionally, is precisely how my longtime psychiatrist and therapist urge me to cope with acute panic attacks. It is a treatment of choice. I think you might be somewhat out of touch with mental health issues. What a peculiar, presumptive post.

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

You're joking, right? In 20 years you couldn't get therapy, address your issue or find other methods to cope with whatever occasion?

You seem confused. Klonopin, used occasionally, is precisely how my longtime psychiatrist and therapist urge me to cope with acute panic attacks. It is a treatment of choice. I think you might be somewhat out of touch with mental health issues. What a peculiar, presumptive post.

Your mental health care providers suck if they haven't been able to help you help yourself cope with...life. Mother's little helper is not the way to get through life, nor is it safe or sustainable.

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

You're joking, right? In 20 years you couldn't get therapy, address your issue or find other methods to cope with whatever occasion?

You seem confused. Klonopin, used occasionally, is precisely how my longtime psychiatrist and therapist urge me to cope with acute panic attacks. It is a treatment of choice. I think you might be somewhat out of touch with mental health issues. What a peculiar, presumptive post.

Your mental health care providers suck if they haven't been able to help you help yourself cope with...life. Mother's little helper is not the way to get through life, nor is it safe or sustainable.

I would love to know where your medical degree is from. Where did you do your psychiatric residency?

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

yeah, I don't get it. I got 30 while coming off a daily antidepressant. My doctor gave me three refills. I only refilled once and I have a lot left...most of the second 30.

But here's the thing. We are genetically different. I also don't feel any high or euphoria from opioids and have no idea how people get addicted to those.

Wine on the other hand. I want it all.

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Anonymous wrote:Is taking three or four a month too much?

If it’s 3-4 a month thats likely ok but that’s much more likely to escalate to daily use (and the physiologic dependence/difficulty going off of it that comes with it) than the people who are truly using it a a few times per year for root canals or transatlantic flights or whatever.

If you are having that degree of anxiety essentially weekly I’d look into therapy and/or an ssri if that’s not sufficient.

Also, Xanax is much more likely to be habit forming than klonopin (though with consistent use it’s a problem with both.)

biologically/physiologically, no addiction potential as your body will fully get rid of it with that low of a use. Same with all scheduled drugs.

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I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

You're joking, right? In 20 years you couldn't get therapy, address your issue or find other methods to cope with whatever occasion?

She found a solution that works for her. She's fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Benzos send more people to rehab than any other drug, prescription or not.

I have used them regularly for 20 years as needed with zero problems. Not everyone who uses benzos becomes an addict. It depends on a host of factors, notably genetics. For those who can use them responsibly, they can be a life-saver, so please don't paint with a broad brush.

You're joking, right? In 20 years you couldn't get therapy, address your issue or find other methods to cope with whatever occasion?

You seem confused. Klonopin, used occasionally, is precisely how my longtime psychiatrist and therapist urge me to cope with acute panic attacks. It is a treatment of choice. I think you might be somewhat out of touch with mental health issues. What a peculiar, presumptive post.

Your mental health care providers suck if they haven't been able to help you help yourself cope with...life. Mother's little helper is not the way to get through life, nor is it safe or sustainable.

I suggest you join the 21st century. Mother's little helper? This isn't 1967.