Negative association careers for me - PE, ‘family’ law (divorce) attorney. These careers disgust me

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Anonymous wrote:I bet half of the people on here don’t even understand PE. I’m in it and people think we’re like the 80s corporate raiders. There are some firms like that but those are mostly bottom feeders. We generally buy up small companies who were not able to access capital due to their size or lack of performance or who have retiring owners/founders. We always keep the former owners as partial minority owners. We put all the employees on incentive plans with small ownership stakes. We generally try to roll up a few small companies together before exiting but often don’t exit. We get economies of scale in our inputs as the companies grow and are generally able to cut non-personnel costs by up to 30%, thus increasing the bottom line a lot. I’m not sure what is so awful about that? Several of our purchases would have shut down at the founders retirement had we not purchased them.

We all know what this is. Richard Gere explained it to us in “Pretty Woman.”

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Anonymous wrote:Just another plug for public defenders. The truly believe in the Constitution and the rights afforded everyone therein. It is their job to put the prosecution through their paces to ensure a fair trial, that the evidence collected was legal, the jury is as unbiased as possible, etc. They recognize that most of their clients are guilty, but our system requires due process. (at least it did before the current administration) They are truly overworked and underpaid. I had many friends from law school go into that type of work.

Eh, I know this is their spiel for why they do it, but going to trial and re-traumatizing victims in violent crimes and sexual assaults during cross-examination when you know your client did it and should cop a plea is never going to earn any respect from me.

The client is the one that gets to choose whether to accept a plea or not. You can't provide a subpar defense because you think they should have pled out.

Doesn’t change the fact that I have little to no respect for someone whose idea of providing an adequate defense to someone they know is guilty is trashing a rape victim or someone who’s been held up at gunpoint on cross-examination.

On the topic of "most" cases: As a public defender, I can tell you that most of our clients are arrested for minor offenses related to being mentally ill or poor. This represents the vast majority of charged cases. For serious offenses, most of the time the police have no idea what happened and just throw together a story based on whatever they can put together. We are regularly shocked by theories spun out of whole cloth. Many plead guilty just on the risk that the story will be believed because most people assume that everyone is guilty. Most cases plea out for one reason or the other, be it guilt or appearance of guilt, or a client's risk aversion.

Most crimes are high level economic or environmental crimes and are simply not investigated or prosecuted. This is where the bulk of thefts and deaths come from, if you are actually counting. They don't even get on the books because that is not the kind of theft or death law enforcement, or the general population, takes interest in. Most of us will happily be robbed by institutions.

This makes sense to me. I’m a psychiatrist and see a lot of people who are released from jail directly into our PES/inpatient unit.
It’s mostly people being a bother or a nuisance.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother defends really bad people as an attorney and I struggle with my feelings towards him as a result. People like stalkers, violent rapists, pedophiles. He does it for the money. My kids googled him and found out some stuff and began asking questions in middle school. They wanted to know how his family was so active in their church etc and yet he supported them by defending pedophiles. Honestly I didn’t have a good answer for that. Yeah, you can say “people are different and make different choices” but I felt like my kids were asking a legitimate spiritual question that I couldn’t really answer without trashing my brother and his family, I often wonder what my brothers own kids think about his profession and what questions they ask him.

Where are all of these people getting money from? I don’t think of stalkers and violent rapists as a high earning crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another plug for public defenders. The truly believe in the Constitution and the rights afforded everyone therein. It is their job to put the prosecution through their paces to ensure a fair trial, that the evidence collected was legal, the jury is as unbiased as possible, etc. They recognize that most of their clients are guilty, but our system requires due process. (at least it did before the current administration) They are truly overworked and underpaid. I had many friends from law school go into that type of work.

My son wants to be a public defender! He chose a T30 in state undergraduate school over a T10 private so he can afford law school without going into a higher paying field like big law or corporate.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another plug for public defenders. The truly believe in the Constitution and the rights afforded everyone therein. It is their job to put the prosecution through their paces to ensure a fair trial, that the evidence collected was legal, the jury is as unbiased as possible, etc. They recognize that most of their clients are guilty, but our system requires due process. (at least it did before the current administration) They are truly overworked and underpaid. I had many friends from law school go into that type of work.

My son wants to be a public defender! He chose a T30 in state undergraduate school over a T10 private so he can afford law school without going into a higher paying field like big law or corporate.

Good for him, I would be very proud! Just one clarification on the post you quoted - I think most PDs would say most of their clients are guilty but overcharged. It is hard and important work.

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Anonymous wrote:Lobbyists, with the possible exception of those who lobby for non-profit causes.

So honored my profession didn’t come up until the 4th page.

Hate the first amendment all you want, but lobbyists are inherent to democracy.

Cry some where else.

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What do you do for money OP?

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Anonymous wrote:What is PE?

Thank you! People, use your words.

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Anonymous wrote:Car salesperson
Anyone in sales or insurance
Criminal or personal injury lawyers
Cake or cookie or cupcake decorators/bakers
Travel agents

Do you have insurance?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who works in HR

Our head of hr has had 5 international trips for pleasure while the engineers work like dogs

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Anonymous wrote:unfairly perhaps, but they elicit a strong reaction from me.

Anyone else have similar irrational feelings about certain career paths?

And yes, yes, I know it’s not rational, I’m biased, etc

Divorce lawyers. The worst and most lucrative racket.

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Anonymous wrote:unfairly perhaps, but they elicit a strong reaction from me.

Anyone else have similar irrational feelings about certain career paths?

And yes, yes, I know it’s not rational, I’m biased, etc

Divorce lawyers. The worst and most lucrative racket.

Not the most lucrative.
I guess worst is subjective but I think people should get divorced.

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Another vote for real estate agents

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Commercial real estate brokers

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1. anyone involved in the gun or tobacco industries

2. slaughterhouse worker

3. telemarketer

4. Any health insurance industry employee who spends their days grappling to ensure that people who need treatment can't get it. (Yes, this is a sore point for me right now).