Your prediction? Here come the USNWR updates

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Anonymous wrote:past quant-q test question bank from fictional tale conveniently hidden in plain sight:

https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904

Yeah. The information was pretty widely available within days of the test.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

Agree, the students making these claims were clearly all lying about what the prep centers asked them to do.

Students in your fictional tale. feel free to repeat your fiction for the next ten years, just like you did for the last. But fiction will still be fiction. You've certainly put in the effort to make everyone aware of your obsession with Curie and the myth of the question bank, yet there isn't a shred of proof to back it up.

DP. There were multiple test prep companies harvesting questions to “crack the test”, as the school board said.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

That might fix some of the income gap but it wasn't going to affect the race gap. You would just be replacing wealthy white and Asians with poor Asians. You would likely end up with even more Asians. This is not goal.

HHI is a big factor for DEI.

Stuyvesant is majority FARM and majority Asian.

TJ class of 2024 had less than 1% kids from low-income families. In an area with over 1/3rd low-income families.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

I don't think that would have changed much. The problem was people engineering their kid's childhood and preparing extensively (for years, months) for the test specifically to get their kids into TJ. It was creating a dynamic where if you DIDN'T do that and just had a normal very smart and hard working (at school) kid, they didn't have much of a shot at making it in. That's what drove the reform.

That's some bull. Normal, very smart kids earn high standardized test scores without any prep. They also typically had very high grades, good achievements, and excellent teacher recommendations. Prep centers didn't change things for kids at the top of the heap. Mostly, they changed who was being admitted into the bottom half of TJ by letting less talented but highly prepped kids edge out the more talented but unprepped ones.

Yes, and those smart kids with access to test prep did even better. It had become an arms race of who could afford the best prep. It was out of control and the kids are the main beneficiaries of the county ending this nonsense.

Making TJ stupider helps nobody.

If income was driving test scores and TJ admissions, TJ would be whiter.

White students aren’t as interested in TJ as other groups. Last time we checked, only about half of eligible white students apply vs almost all eligible Asian and black students.

Wealth helped get you into the pool and also get you accepted.

White students were getting worse scores that Asians despite being wealthier.

It's not a matter of interest. If wealth drives the test scores then based on the number of white students applying to TJ there should have been a lot more white students at TJ.

Sure money makes a difference but not enough to get white students in on a proportional basis. Anecdotally, the white students at TJ are disproportionately the children of at least one immigrant parent. Same with the black students.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

I don't think that would have changed much. The problem was people engineering their kid's childhood and preparing extensively (for years, months) for the test specifically to get their kids into TJ. It was creating a dynamic where if you DIDN'T do that and just had a normal very smart and hard working (at school) kid, they didn't have much of a shot at making it in. That's what drove the reform.

That's some bull. Normal, very smart kids earn high standardized test scores without any prep. They also typically had very high grades, good achievements, and excellent teacher recommendations. Prep centers didn't change things for kids at the top of the heap. Mostly, they changed who was being admitted into the bottom half of TJ by letting less talented but highly prepped kids edge out the more talented but unprepped ones.

Yes, and those smart kids with access to test prep did even better. It had become an arms race of who could afford the best prep. It was out of control and the kids are the main beneficiaries of the county ending this nonsense.

Making TJ stupider helps nobody.

If income was driving test scores and TJ admissions, TJ would be whiter.

White students aren’t as interested in TJ as other groups. Last time we checked, only about half of eligible white students apply vs almost all eligible Asian and black students.

Wealth helped get you into the pool and also get you accepted.

White students were getting worse scores that Asians despite being wealthier.

It's not a matter of interest. If wealth drives the test scores then based on the number of white students applying to TJ there should have been a lot more white students at TJ.

Sure money makes a difference but not enough to get white students in on a proportional basis. Anecdotally, the white students at TJ are disproportionately the children of at least one immigrant parent. Same with the black students.

White families aren’t as interested in TJ. They know it’s a grind that will hurt their kids’ chances for college admissions.

Wealth drove TJ admissions. Less than 1% of class of 2024 came from economically-disadvantaged families.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

That might fix some of the income gap but it wasn't going to affect the race gap. You would just be replacing wealthy white and Asians with poor Asians. You would likely end up with even more Asians. This is not goal.

HHI is a big factor for DEI.

Stuyvesant is majority FARM and majority Asian.

TJ class of 2024 had less than 1% kids from low-income families. In an area with over 1/3rd low-income families.

The class of 2022 (the first year of quant q) had 1.5% FARM. why didn't the elimination of test prep make any difference in the quantity of FARM admits? Because it's not money that is keeping them out. It's 8 years of unenriched education. If your kids had been picking his nose for 8 years and mine has been doing Singapore math for 8 years, then all things being equal, my kid eats you kids lunch academically.

This was not about income. This was never about income. It was about racial representation. That much is clear from the hearings and correspondence. This was about race.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

That might fix some of the income gap but it wasn't going to affect the race gap. You would just be replacing wealthy white and Asians with poor Asians. You would likely end up with even more Asians. This is not goal.

HHI is a big factor for DEI.

Stuyvesant is majority FARM and majority Asian.

TJ class of 2024 had less than 1% kids from low-income families. In an area with over 1/3rd low-income families.

The class of 2022 (the first year of quant q) had 1.5% FARM. why didn't the elimination of test prep make any difference in the quantity of FARM admits? Because it's not money that is keeping them out. It's 8 years of unenriched education. If your kids had been picking his nose for 8 years and mine has been doing Singapore math for 8 years, then all things being equal, my kid eats you kids lunch academically.

This was not about income. This was never about income. It was about racial representation. That much is clear from the hearings and correspondence. This was about race.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

That might fix some of the income gap but it wasn't going to affect the race gap. You would just be replacing wealthy white and Asians with poor Asians. You would likely end up with even more Asians. This is not goal.

HHI is a big factor for DEI.

Stuyvesant is majority FARM and majority Asian.

TJ class of 2024 had less than 1% kids from low-income families. In an area with over 1/3rd low-income families.

The class of 2022 (the first year of quant q) had 1.5% FARM. why didn't the elimination of test prep make any difference in the quantity of FARM admits? Because it's not money that is keeping them out. It's 8 years of unenriched education. If your kids had been picking his nose for 8 years and mine has been doing Singapore math for 8 years, then all things being equal, my kid eats you kids lunch academically.

This was not about income. This was never about income. It was about racial representation. That much is clear from the hearings and correspondence. This was about race.

Keep saying that and you and your "+1000" (lol/*sigh*) friends might convince yourself it's true.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

That might fix some of the income gap but it wasn't going to affect the race gap. You would just be replacing wealthy white and Asians with poor Asians. You would likely end up with even more Asians. This is not goal.

HHI is a big factor for DEI.

Stuyvesant is majority FARM and majority Asian.

TJ class of 2024 had less than 1% kids from low-income families. In an area with over 1/3rd low-income families.

The class of 2022 (the first year of quant q) had 1.5% FARM. why didn't the elimination of test prep make any difference in the quantity of FARM admits? Because it's not money that is keeping them out. It's 8 years of unenriched education. If your kids had been picking his nose for 8 years and mine has been doing Singapore math for 8 years, then all things being equal, my kid eats you kids lunch academically.

This was not about income. This was never about income. It was about racial representation. That much is clear from the hearings and correspondence. This was about race.

Keep saying that and you and your "+1000" (lol/*sigh*) friends might convince yourself it's true.

truth hurts more than the +1000.

Like they say, don’t matter what school you at — if you ain’t puttin’ in that sweat time, you ain’t droppin’ no buckets. Switchin’ up tryouts to essay scribbles, ain’t gon’ turn you into no better baller. The court speaks the truth, after all.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

I don't think that would have changed much. The problem was people engineering their kid's childhood and preparing extensively (for years, months) for the test specifically to get their kids into TJ. It was creating a dynamic where if you DIDN'T do that and just had a normal very smart and hard working (at school) kid, they didn't have much of a shot at making it in. That's what drove the reform.

That's some bull. Normal, very smart kids earn high standardized test scores without any prep. They also typically had very high grades, good achievements, and excellent teacher recommendations. Prep centers didn't change things for kids at the top of the heap. Mostly, they changed who was being admitted into the bottom half of TJ by letting less talented but highly prepped kids edge out the more talented but unprepped ones.

Yes, and those smart kids with access to test prep did even better. It had become an arms race of who could afford the best prep. It was out of control and the kids are the main beneficiaries of the county ending this nonsense.

Making TJ stupider helps nobody.

If income was driving test scores and TJ admissions, TJ would be whiter.

White students aren’t as interested in TJ as other groups. Last time we checked, only about half of eligible white students apply vs almost all eligible Asian and black students.

Wealth helped get you into the pool and also get you accepted.

White students were getting worse scores that Asians despite being wealthier.

It's not a matter of interest. If wealth drives the test scores then based on the number of white students applying to TJ there should have been a lot more white students at TJ.

Sure money makes a difference but not enough to get white students in on a proportional basis. Anecdotally, the white students at TJ are disproportionately the children of at least one immigrant parent. Same with the black students.

White families aren’t as interested in TJ. They know it’s a grind that will hurt their kids’ chances for college admissions.

Wealth drove TJ admissions. Less than 1% of class of 2024 came from economically-disadvantaged families.

Then why was there a lower admission rate among a much more self selective pool of white applicants than there was among the pool of Asian applicants that seemed to be applying indiscriminately?

The change in the admissions process was never about income, it was always about race. That was obvious during the hearings and board meetings.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

I don't think that would have changed much. The problem was people engineering their kid's childhood and preparing extensively (for years, months) for the test specifically to get their kids into TJ. It was creating a dynamic where if you DIDN'T do that and just had a normal very smart and hard working (at school) kid, they didn't have much of a shot at making it in. That's what drove the reform.

That's some bull. Normal, very smart kids earn high standardized test scores without any prep. They also typically had very high grades, good achievements, and excellent teacher recommendations. Prep centers didn't change things for kids at the top of the heap. Mostly, they changed who was being admitted into the bottom half of TJ by letting less talented but highly prepped kids edge out the more talented but unprepped ones.

Yes, and those smart kids with access to test prep did even better. It had become an arms race of who could afford the best prep. It was out of control and the kids are the main beneficiaries of the county ending this nonsense.

Making TJ stupider helps nobody.

If income was driving test scores and TJ admissions, TJ would be whiter.

White students aren’t as interested in TJ as other groups. Last time we checked, only about half of eligible white students apply vs almost all eligible Asian and black students.

Wealth helped get you into the pool and also get you accepted.

White students were getting worse scores that Asians despite being wealthier.

It's not a matter of interest. If wealth drives the test scores then based on the number of white students applying to TJ there should have been a lot more white students at TJ.

Sure money makes a difference but not enough to get white students in on a proportional basis. Anecdotally, the white students at TJ are disproportionately the children of at least one immigrant parent. Same with the black students.

White families aren’t as interested in TJ. They know it’s a grind that will hurt their kids’ chances for college admissions.

Wealth drove TJ admissions. Less than 1% of class of 2024 came from economically-disadvantaged families.

Then why was there a lower admission rate among a much more self selective pool of white applicants than there was among the pool of Asian applicants that seemed to be applying indiscriminately?

The change in the admissions process was never about income, it was always about race. That was obvious during the hearings and board meetings.

I support the changes becuase I think it's crazy that a kid should need to do "Singapore math for 8 years" to have a shot at getting into TJ...and agree that the race imbalances drove the changes. But the best reason for keeping them isn't racial balancing. It's to slow down the ridiculous arms race of "Singapore math for 8 years" in kid's ES and MS outside cramming. Now, coudl it do a better job of finding the kids from each school that are great at STEM and will flourish - even if they haven't devoted 8 yeras to beyond-school math and/or parent-driven Olympiad stuff? Yes. But if it's a black / white choice of the old system vs the new system....new system is better since kids who are highly talented at STEM but haven't had parents coaching them on outside STEM ECs / tutoring for years deserve a shot too.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

I don't think that would have changed much. The problem was people engineering their kid's childhood and preparing extensively (for years, months) for the test specifically to get their kids into TJ. It was creating a dynamic where if you DIDN'T do that and just had a normal very smart and hard working (at school) kid, they didn't have much of a shot at making it in. That's what drove the reform.

That's some bull. Normal, very smart kids earn high standardized test scores without any prep. They also typically had very high grades, good achievements, and excellent teacher recommendations. Prep centers didn't change things for kids at the top of the heap. Mostly, they changed who was being admitted into the bottom half of TJ by letting less talented but highly prepped kids edge out the more talented but unprepped ones.

Yes, and those smart kids with access to test prep did even better. It had become an arms race of who could afford the best prep. It was out of control and the kids are the main beneficiaries of the county ending this nonsense.

Making TJ stupider helps nobody.

If income was driving test scores and TJ admissions, TJ would be whiter.

White students aren’t as interested in TJ as other groups. Last time we checked, only about half of eligible white students apply vs almost all eligible Asian and black students.

Wealth helped get you into the pool and also get you accepted.

White students were getting worse scores that Asians despite being wealthier.

It's not a matter of interest. If wealth drives the test scores then based on the number of white students applying to TJ there should have been a lot more white students at TJ.

Sure money makes a difference but not enough to get white students in on a proportional basis. Anecdotally, the white students at TJ are disproportionately the children of at least one immigrant parent. Same with the black students.

White families aren’t as interested in TJ. They know it’s a grind that will hurt their kids’ chances for college admissions.

Wealth drove TJ admissions. Less than 1% of class of 2024 came from economically-disadvantaged families.

Then why was there a lower admission rate among a much more self selective pool of white applicants than there was among the pool of Asian applicants that seemed to be applying indiscriminately?

The change in the admissions process was never about income, it was always about race. That was obvious during the hearings and board meetings.

I support the changes becuase I think it's crazy that a kid should need to do "Singapore math for 8 years" to have a shot at getting into TJ...and agree that the race imbalances drove the changes. But the best reason for keeping them isn't racial balancing. It's to slow down the ridiculous arms race of "Singapore math for 8 years" in kid's ES and MS outside cramming. Now, coudl it do a better job of finding the kids from each school that are great at STEM and will flourish - even if they haven't devoted 8 yeras to beyond-school math and/or parent-driven Olympiad stuff? Yes. But if it's a black / white choice of the old system vs the new system....new system is better since kids who are highly talented at STEM but haven't had parents coaching them on outside STEM ECs / tutoring for years deserve a shot too.

The thing is the new selection process has no way of knowing if they are “highly talented” at STEM.

A better system would be to keep the test AND give welfare…

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

That might fix some of the income gap but it wasn't going to affect the race gap. You would just be replacing wealthy white and Asians with poor Asians. You would likely end up with even more Asians. This is not goal.

HHI is a big factor for DEI.

Stuyvesant is majority FARM and majority Asian.

TJ class of 2024 had less than 1% kids from low-income families. In an area with over 1/3rd low-income families.

The class of 2022 (the first year of quant q) had 1.5% FARM. why didn't the elimination of test prep make any difference in the quantity of FARM admits? Because it's not money that is keeping them out. It's 8 years of unenriched education. If your kids had been picking his nose for 8 years and mine has been doing Singapore math for 8 years, then all things being equal, my kid eats you kids lunch academically.

This was not about income. This was never about income. It was about racial representation. That much is clear from the hearings and correspondence. This was about race.

It was about a lot of things. There is a long history behind the ongoing changes to the admissions process. It's disingenuous to ignore that.

Outside enrichment was yet another way that wealthy parents shelled out money to give their kids a leg up in TJ admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

I don't think that would have changed much. The problem was people engineering their kid's childhood and preparing extensively (for years, months) for the test specifically to get their kids into TJ. It was creating a dynamic where if you DIDN'T do that and just had a normal very smart and hard working (at school) kid, they didn't have much of a shot at making it in. That's what drove the reform.

That's some bull. Normal, very smart kids earn high standardized test scores without any prep. They also typically had very high grades, good achievements, and excellent teacher recommendations. Prep centers didn't change things for kids at the top of the heap. Mostly, they changed who was being admitted into the bottom half of TJ by letting less talented but highly prepped kids edge out the more talented but unprepped ones.

Yes, and those smart kids with access to test prep did even better. It had become an arms race of who could afford the best prep. It was out of control and the kids are the main beneficiaries of the county ending this nonsense.

Making TJ stupider helps nobody.

If income was driving test scores and TJ admissions, TJ would be whiter.

White students aren’t as interested in TJ as other groups. Last time we checked, only about half of eligible white students apply vs almost all eligible Asian and black students.

Wealth helped get you into the pool and also get you accepted.

White students were getting worse scores that Asians despite being wealthier.

It's not a matter of interest. If wealth drives the test scores then based on the number of white students applying to TJ there should have been a lot more white students at TJ.

Sure money makes a difference but not enough to get white students in on a proportional basis. Anecdotally, the white students at TJ are disproportionately the children of at least one immigrant parent. Same with the black students.

White families aren’t as interested in TJ. They know it’s a grind that will hurt their kids’ chances for college admissions.

Wealth drove TJ admissions. Less than 1% of class of 2024 came from economically-disadvantaged families.

Then why was there a lower admission rate among a much more self selective pool of white applicants than there was among the pool of Asian applicants that seemed to be applying indiscriminately?

The change in the admissions process was never about income, it was always about race. That was obvious during the hearings and board meetings.

I support the changes becuase I think it's crazy that a kid should need to do "Singapore math for 8 years" to have a shot at getting into TJ...and agree that the race imbalances drove the changes. But the best reason for keeping them isn't racial balancing. It's to slow down the ridiculous arms race of "Singapore math for 8 years" in kid's ES and MS outside cramming. Now, coudl it do a better job of finding the kids from each school that are great at STEM and will flourish - even if they haven't devoted 8 yeras to beyond-school math and/or parent-driven Olympiad stuff? Yes. But if it's a black / white choice of the old system vs the new system....new system is better since kids who are highly talented at STEM but haven't had parents coaching them on outside STEM ECs / tutoring for years deserve a shot too.

The thing is the new selection process has no way of knowing if they are “highly talented” at STEM.

A better system would be to keep the test AND give welfare…

The current admissions process could use some tweaking. Maybe add SOL scores as a data point.

But it's still much better than the prior process.

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Did they ever release the new rankings?