Your prediction? Here come the USNWR updates

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

um, by that twisted logic, the PP would falsely claim any SAT prep class is: “selling the answers to the SAT !!” - which everyone knows is a false claim.

The TJ test answers were never for sale, nor are the SAT answers. But there is some nasty troll here in the AAP forum who keeps repeating this false claim.

Watch: she will surely do it again in the next TJ thread.

DP. You sound so desperate try to convince the reader that TJ test answer were never for sale.
Majority people understand what it means by that, it is the TJ test prep.
It is what it is.

Wait. You are saying that TJ test prep = "TJ test answers were for sale" You think those two phrases are synonymous?

And you think the PP sounds desperate?

When you are sign up for $$ program so called TJ test prep, you would expect a program that “Prep” you to the test to TJ admission, nothing else.
The “preparation” off course 100% grind your kid to practice what the TJ test looks like, not something else, and off course they have the history of TJ test material, regardless how they obtained it. They modified the similar pattern of questions to practice. Buyer pay them for that, nothing else.
And that is how you sounds more desperate by making me say the detail.
Most reader here are aim for TJ, or TJ related, and they are intelligent enough to understand this petty matter.

Curie prep starts pretty early in elementary school. Is that all just TJ prep?

Why don't they do SHSAT like they used to. You could get prep books on Amazon and khan academy had YouTube courses. Why did they move to a secret test?

I guess if they were to use a standardized test that might make sense, but you can also argue that grades are the product of many many tests so to say they aren't using tests is misleading.

The median GPA at FCPS is above the 3.5 requirement among 8th graders. GPA isn't really a filter and it is a real stretch to call that testing.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

I don't think that would have changed much. The problem was people engineering their kid's childhood and preparing extensively (for years, months) for the test specifically to get their kids into TJ. It was creating a dynamic where if you DIDN'T do that and just had a normal very smart and hard working (at school) kid, they didn't have much of a shot at making it in. That's what drove the reform.

That's some bull. Normal, very smart kids earn high standardized test scores without any prep. They also typically had very high grades, good achievements, and excellent teacher recommendations. Prep centers didn't change things for kids at the top of the heap. Mostly, they changed who was being admitted into the bottom half of TJ by letting less talented but highly prepped kids edge out the more talented but unprepped ones.

Yes, and those smart kids with access to test prep did even better. It had become an arms race of who could afford the best prep. It was out of control and the kids are the main beneficiaries of the county ending this nonsense.

Making TJ stupider helps nobody.

If income was driving test scores and TJ admissions, TJ would be whiter.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

um, by that twisted logic, the PP would falsely claim any SAT prep class is: “selling the answers to the SAT !!” - which everyone knows is a false claim.

The TJ test answers were never for sale, nor are the SAT answers. But there is some nasty troll here in the AAP forum who keeps repeating this false claim.

Watch: she will surely do it again in the next TJ thread.

DP. You sound so desperate try to convince the reader that TJ test answer were never for sale.
Majority people understand what it means by that, it is the TJ test prep.
It is what it is.

Wait. You are saying that TJ test prep = "TJ test answers were for sale" You think those two phrases are synonymous?

And you think the PP sounds desperate?

When you are sign up for $$ program so called TJ test prep, you would expect a program that “Prep” you to the test to TJ admission, nothing else.
The “preparation” off course 100% grind your kid to practice what the TJ test looks like, not something else, and off course they have the history of TJ test material, regardless how they obtained it. They modified the similar pattern of questions to practice. Buyer pay them for that, nothing else.
And that is how you sounds more desperate by making me say the detail.
Most reader here are aim for TJ, or TJ related, and they are intelligent enough to understand this petty matter.

Curie prep starts pretty early in elementary school. Is that all just TJ prep?

Why don't they do SHSAT like they used to. You could get prep books on Amazon and khan academy had YouTube courses. Why did they move to a secret test?

I guess if they were to use a standardized test that might make sense, but you can also argue that grades are the product of many many tests so to say they aren't using tests is misleading.

Being able to argue with or influence the teacher and get your grade increased is literally the completely opposite (and point) of standardized testing.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

um, by that twisted logic, the PP would falsely claim any SAT prep class is: “selling the answers to the SAT !!” - which everyone knows is a false claim.

The TJ test answers were never for sale, nor are the SAT answers. But there is some nasty troll here in the AAP forum who keeps repeating this false claim.

Watch: she will surely do it again in the next TJ thread.

DP. You sound so desperate try to convince the reader that TJ test answer were never for sale.
Majority people understand what it means by that, it is the TJ test prep.
It is what it is.

Wait. You are saying that TJ test prep = "TJ test answers were for sale" You think those two phrases are synonymous?

And you think the PP sounds desperate?

When you are sign up for $$ program so called TJ test prep, you would expect a program that “Prep” you to the test to TJ admission, nothing else.
The “preparation” off course 100% grind your kid to practice what the TJ test looks like, not something else, and off course they have the history of TJ test material, regardless how they obtained it. They modified the similar pattern of questions to practice. Buyer pay them for that, nothing else.
And that is how you sounds more desperate by making me say the detail.
Most reader here are aim for TJ, or TJ related, and they are intelligent enough to understand this petty matter.

Curie prep starts pretty early in elementary school. Is that all just TJ prep?

Why don't they do SHSAT like they used to. You could get prep books on Amazon and khan academy had YouTube courses. Why did they move to a secret test?

I’m sure some parents start that early. They also rent homes in feeder school districts and hire consultants to determine the best activities for a strong application.

Wealthy, motivated parents do all kinds of things to get a leg up for their kid in competitive admissions.

The wealthiest people in the catchment are are white. TJ would be now white if money was driving this.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

That might fix some of the income gap but it wasn't going to affect the race gap. You would just be replacing wealthy white and Asians with poor Asians. You would likely end up with even more Asians. This is not goal.

HHI is a big factor for DEI.

Stuyvesant is majority FARM and majority Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

I don't think that would have changed much. The problem was people engineering their kid's childhood and preparing extensively (for years, months) for the test specifically to get their kids into TJ. It was creating a dynamic where if you DIDN'T do that and just had a normal very smart and hard working (at school) kid, they didn't have much of a shot at making it in. That's what drove the reform.

That's some bull. Normal, very smart kids earn high standardized test scores without any prep. They also typically had very high grades, good achievements, and excellent teacher recommendations. Prep centers didn't change things for kids at the top of the heap. Mostly, they changed who was being admitted into the bottom half of TJ by letting less talented but highly prepped kids edge out the more talented but unprepped ones.

Yes, and those smart kids with access to test prep did even better. It had become an arms race of who could afford the best prep. It was out of control and the kids are the main beneficiaries of the county ending this nonsense.

Nope. The top merit half of TJ is the same now as before change. Lot of changes in bottom half though.

I'm not sure it's half.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about the soon to be released, UPDATED (emphasis added) ranking for high schools.

I just checked, and the website states:

“U.S. News anticipates the next update of high school rankings will not be released until August 2025, closer to that year’s update of elementary and middle schools. . . .
Altogether, the rankings and data are intended to be one resource, not the final word, for parents considering educational opportunities for their children.”


Please don’t dilute the topic with the same old fights which dominate the other thread. My thread is about the upcoming rankings for public high schools, due out next month.

TIA!

Looking at last year's methodology, I'm not sure it matters. It's 40% AP exams, 20% state assessments, 30% state assessments for URM students, 10% graduation rate.

If you had a lot of black and hispanic kids that took a lot of AP exams, you would rank pretty high.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

That might fix some of the income gap but it wasn't going to affect the race gap. You would just be replacing wealthy white and Asians with poor Asians. You would likely end up with even more Asians. This is not goal.

I'm always amused by the people who keep trying to cover up that the cheating was rampant. Everyone knew this was going on. It wasn't a secret. It's been discussed to death here.

It's been ALLEGED to death here. Mediocre white people looking for a train why their white kids are not competitive with all these Asian kids conclude that Asian kids are cheating.

Unclear what racial point you are trying to make here. However, as of last year:

- whites make 19% of TJ’s student population. 81% are BIPOCs.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

Agree, the students making these claims were clearly all lying about what the prep centers asked them to do.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about the soon to be released, UPDATED (emphasis added) ranking for high schools.

I just checked, and the website states:

“U.S. News anticipates the next update of high school rankings will not be released until August 2025, closer to that year’s update of elementary and middle schools. . . .
Altogether, the rankings and data are intended to be one resource, not the final word, for parents considering educational opportunities for their children.”


Please don’t dilute the topic with the same old fights which dominate the other thread. My thread is about the upcoming rankings for public high schools, due out next month.

TIA!

Looking at last year's methodology, I'm not sure it matters. It's 40% AP exams, 20% state assessments, 30% state assessments for URM students, 10% graduation rate.

If you had a lot of black and hispanic kids that took a lot of AP exams, you would rank pretty high.

Last 4 years TJ's national rank on each metric (listed 2019-2024):

- 30% College Readiness Index Rank: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 38 (this metric is based on seniors only with lag, 2024 rankings used class of 2022 data)
- 10% College Curriculum Breadth Index Rank: 8, 7, 9, 18, 9, 14 (this metric is based on seniors only, 2024 rankings used class of 2022 data)
- 20% State Assessment Proficiency Rank: 1, 1, 1, 1, 15, 1 (2024 rankings used data for the classes of 2023-2025)
- 30% State Assessment & Underserved Student Performance Rank: 84, 1, 1, 19, 44, 136 (2024 rankings used data for the classes of 2023-2025)
- 10% Graduation Rate Rank: 1, 1, 1261, 1, 1, 1 (this metric is based on seniors only with lag, 2024 rankings used class of 2022 data)

The Grad Rate Rank blip in the 2021 rankings is an interesting anomaly. I suspect it could be that there's 1260 schools with 100% grad rates, so even a single student not graduating, regardless of reason, could drop the ranking that far. I suspect similar things are likely true for example with the College Readiness Rank or State Asessment Proficiency Rank where they only have one year with a non-1st-place rank, it could just be one student in those cases.

The only rank that seems really on a downward trend (though it was also low back in the 2019 rankings) is the State Assessment & Underserved Student Performance Rank, which is a combination of two subscores that they don't individually publish. 2/3 of this rank is from State Assessment Performance (the difference between how students performed on state assessments and what U.S. News predicted based on a school's student body demographics) and 1/3 of this rank is from Underserved Student Performance (how well FARMS, Black, and Hispanic populations perform on state assessments relative to statewide performance among students not in those subgroups).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is about the soon to be released, UPDATED (emphasis added) ranking for high schools.

I just checked, and the website states:

“U.S. News anticipates the next update of high school rankings will not be released until August 2025, closer to that year’s update of elementary and middle schools. . . .
Altogether, the rankings and data are intended to be one resource, not the final word, for parents considering educational opportunities for their children.”


Please don’t dilute the topic with the same old fights which dominate the other thread. My thread is about the upcoming rankings for public high schools, due out next month.

TIA!

Looking at last year's methodology, I'm not sure it matters. It's 40% AP exams, 20% state assessments, 30% state assessments for URM students, 10% graduation rate.

If you had a lot of black and hispanic kids that took a lot of AP exams, you would rank pretty high.

Last 4 years TJ's national rank on each metric (listed 2019-2024):

- 30% College Readiness Index Rank: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 38 (this metric is based on seniors only with lag, 2024 rankings used class of 2022 data)
- 10% College Curriculum Breadth Index Rank: 8, 7, 9, 18, 9, 14 (this metric is based on seniors only, 2024 rankings used class of 2022 data)
- 20% State Assessment Proficiency Rank: 1, 1, 1, 1, 15, 1 (2024 rankings used data for the classes of 2023-2025)
- 30% State Assessment & Underserved Student Performance Rank: 84, 1, 1, 19, 44, 136 (2024 rankings used data for the classes of 2023-2025)
- 10% Graduation Rate Rank: 1, 1, 1261, 1, 1, 1 (this metric is based on seniors only with lag, 2024 rankings used class of 2022 data)

The Grad Rate Rank blip in the 2021 rankings is an interesting anomaly. I suspect it could be that there's 1260 schools with 100% grad rates, so even a single student not graduating, regardless of reason, could drop the ranking that far. I suspect similar things are likely true for example with the College Readiness Rank or State Asessment Proficiency Rank where they only have one year with a non-1st-place rank, it could just be one student in those cases.

The only rank that seems really on a downward trend (though it was also low back in the 2019 rankings) is the State Assessment & Underserved Student Performance Rank, which is a combination of two subscores that they don't individually publish. 2/3 of this rank is from State Assessment Performance (the difference between how students performed on state assessments and what U.S. News predicted based on a school's student body demographics) and 1/3 of this rank is from Underserved Student Performance (how well FARMS, Black, and Hispanic populations perform on state assessments relative to statewide performance among students not in those subgroups).

This seems like weak methodology

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

Agree, the students making these claims were clearly all lying about what the prep centers asked them to do.

Students in your fictional tale. feel free to repeat your fiction for the next ten years, just like you did for the last. But fiction will still be fiction. You've certainly put in the effort to make everyone aware of your obsession with Curie and the myth of the question bank, yet there isn't a shred of proof to back it up.

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past quant-q test question bank from fictional tale conveniently hidden in plain sight:

https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

Agree, the students making these claims were clearly all lying about what the prep centers asked them to do.

Students in your fictional tale. feel free to repeat your fiction for the next ten years, just like you did for the last. But fiction will still be fiction. You've certainly put in the effort to make everyone aware of your obsession with Curie and the myth of the question bank, yet there isn't a shred of proof to back it up.

There is no evidence that the curie centers asked students to memorize the test to share with them afterwards. After all, these kids were focused on getting into TJ not boosting cutie profits.

But these students were all long term students, many of them attending these centers since kindergarten. And could easily have shared test structure and test question types.

With that said, quant q books were available on Amazon within a few months.

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Anonymous wrote:These loons are here to push a specific narrative- that the new TJ admissions process is rigged because of prep programs. It isn't.

There is no way to prep for the essay based entrance exam. You should know to write in complete sentences with proper grammar and punctuation. You should know to answer a question directly. You should know to pursue your interests to make yourself a well rounded person. These are things you learn in elementary and middle school. If your kid doesn't know, then they aren't TJ material. A short prep course isn't going to help your kid.

It isn't anymore but it was. The wealthy feeders dominated admissions even more largely because many students had early access to the entrance test. This is a matter of public record and been covered here many times.

This is obviously a lie

What is shameful is that the supporters of racial discrimination in TJ admissions let this lie persist even though they know it is not true.

This is how you know there is no such thing as "good" racism. The "good" racists don't engage in honest ways.

The "good racists" are getting the punishment they deserve and it is going to be a loooong 3 years 5 months of misery still to come.

Who cares about liberal tears, the kids are the ones that end up paying the price for the woke nonsense.
Just fix it. Go back to a merit based system.

Ya, we want merit like the good old days when people could buy the test answers!

buy the test from who? Name the fictional seller

It's well established that prep centers had compiled question banks of the test questions by debriefing students in violation of the NDA in order to rig the process.

Children cannot execute enforceable contracts in the U.S., so there is no NDA.

And that makes what the test prep centers did ok

what prep centers did is a fictional tale with no proof. Besides that what TJ should have done before and should do now is release all past year questions just like college board does for all AP exams. URMs and FARMS benefit the most, and all students who have interest in learning and prepping stem.

I don't think that would have changed much. The problem was people engineering their kid's childhood and preparing extensively (for years, months) for the test specifically to get their kids into TJ. It was creating a dynamic where if you DIDN'T do that and just had a normal very smart and hard working (at school) kid, they didn't have much of a shot at making it in. That's what drove the reform.

That's some bull. Normal, very smart kids earn high standardized test scores without any prep. They also typically had very high grades, good achievements, and excellent teacher recommendations. Prep centers didn't change things for kids at the top of the heap. Mostly, they changed who was being admitted into the bottom half of TJ by letting less talented but highly prepped kids edge out the more talented but unprepped ones.

Yes, and those smart kids with access to test prep did even better. It had become an arms race of who could afford the best prep. It was out of control and the kids are the main beneficiaries of the county ending this nonsense.

Making TJ stupider helps nobody.

If income was driving test scores and TJ admissions, TJ would be whiter.

White students aren’t as interested in TJ as other groups. Last time we checked, only about half of eligible white students apply vs almost all eligible Asian and black students.

Wealth helped get you into the pool and also get you accepted.