Why don’t schools have stronger policies about redshirting?

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if you are redshirting because of sports, you are an idiot. there's literally a million kids in california and texas and ohio and florida who will embarrass your kid on the field of whatever sport you've choosen. the dmv is not exactly a hotbed of athletic achievement.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

This is a creepy anti-redshirter thing. As someone who has read these threads for awhile, I’ve seen some awful behavior justified. It is of course entirely inappropriate for a parent to be tracking down the birthdays of seventh and eighth graders in a pull-out program. They should not even know the names of the kids in a standard public school setting, let alone when they were born. But this is something really creepy that anti-redshirt parents do. I remember a thread where someone compiled a spreadsheet of the birthdays of the gifted kids in middle school.

It’s extremely creepy behavior but they justify to themselves somehow.

Nothing creepy about it, my kid gets invited to a few bday parties a month and plays sports with most of the kids. Rosters often have birthdays, the kids talk about it in carpool, etc, It’s not a secret. You may not know if you’re socially isolated

For middle school? Absolutely creepy. Just the fact you are cross referencing sports rosters with class names that you had to dig up on your own (because no middle school math teacher is releasing names) shows how absolutely inappropriate you are. Stay away from kids, weirdo.

Your obsession with it is weird as you hold your kids back for sports. You cannot make your kids smarter by holding them back and you are socially hurting them as they are not with their peers, they are with much younger kids who are age-appropriate and your child isn't if you are basing their behavior and maturity on kids 1-2 years younger.

They aren’t being socially hurt. You know this. You think someone is getting ahead of you and you can’t stand it. The kids don’t have a problem, you do.

What? DC doesn't flunk any kids, regardless of how little they've learned, because of the social stigma. But if they're "redshirted," then the stigma disappears? Wow. Who knew?

What does this have to do with redshirting kindergarteners?

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

This is a creepy anti-redshirter thing. As someone who has read these threads for awhile, I’ve seen some awful behavior justified. It is of course entirely inappropriate for a parent to be tracking down the birthdays of seventh and eighth graders in a pull-out program. They should not even know the names of the kids in a standard public school setting, let alone when they were born. But this is something really creepy that anti-redshirt parents do. I remember a thread where someone compiled a spreadsheet of the birthdays of the gifted kids in middle school.

It’s extremely creepy behavior but they justify to themselves somehow.

Nothing creepy about it, my kid gets invited to a few bday parties a month and plays sports with most of the kids. Rosters often have birthdays, the kids talk about it in carpool, etc, It’s not a secret. You may not know if you’re socially isolated

For middle school? Absolutely creepy. Just the fact you are cross referencing sports rosters with class names that you had to dig up on your own (because no middle school math teacher is releasing names) shows how absolutely inappropriate you are. Stay away from kids, weirdo.

We actually know all the kids and families. There’s only 70 kids in my child’s grade and 35 boys, all who I know and have pretty much every mom’s phone number and some social relationship with from parties and sports and extracurriculars. This is elementary school. No one is talking about middle school
but you. We know every kid except for a few outliers that don’t socialize with the rest of the families or participate in activities.

The PP talking about advanced math programs — which started this entire line of conversation — is talking about middle school because it’s a program for 7th and 8th graders. Try to keep up, please.

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Anonymous wrote:if you are redshirting because of sports, you are an idiot. there's literally a million kids in california and texas and ohio and florida who will embarrass your kid on the field of whatever sport you've choosen. the dmv is not exactly a hotbed of athletic achievement.

Wait until you find out how many Texans are redshirted, boys and girls.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

This is a creepy anti-redshirter thing. As someone who has read these threads for awhile, I’ve seen some awful behavior justified. It is of course entirely inappropriate for a parent to be tracking down the birthdays of seventh and eighth graders in a pull-out program. They should not even know the names of the kids in a standard public school setting, let alone when they were born. But this is something really creepy that anti-redshirt parents do. I remember a thread where someone compiled a spreadsheet of the birthdays of the gifted kids in middle school.

It’s extremely creepy behavior but they justify to themselves somehow.

Nothing creepy about it, my kid gets invited to a few bday parties a month and plays sports with most of the kids. Rosters often have birthdays, the kids talk about it in carpool, etc, It’s not a secret. You may not know if you’re socially isolated

For middle school? Absolutely creepy. Just the fact you are cross referencing sports rosters with class names that you had to dig up on your own (because no middle school math teacher is releasing names) shows how absolutely inappropriate you are. Stay away from kids, weirdo.

Your obsession with it is weird as you hold your kids back for sports. You cannot make your kids smarter by holding them back and you are socially hurting them as they are not with their peers, they are with much younger kids who are age-appropriate and your child isn't if you are basing their behavior and maturity on kids 1-2 years younger.

I didn’t redshirt my kids. I just think anti-redshirters are very creepy with their obsessions with other people’s kids. One of my kids is actually very young for grade.

It's just how people are. Kids talk, parents talk. No one gets to just make decisions and expect everyone else to move and their own business. Once I was picking my kids up from school and some dad o barely know walked up and said "oh hey I hear you guys just bought an EV." I guess one ofy kids had been talking about it, and this guy's kid heard and reported it at home. There is only so much privacy and anonymity within school communities because kids are not very discreet.

And that's how it works with redshirting. A group of 1st graders will be talking about who is 7 already, and Aiden R. will say "I turned 7 in June." And then those kids will all go home and say "Aiden R. turned 7 in June!"

And then that's a piece of info people will reference whenever something happens with Aiden R. If he wins an academic award, if he gets in trouble, whatever. People will know he was redshirted and that will be part of the conversation.

Is it fair? No. Life is not fair. It's very normal though. This is how people are.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

This is a creepy anti-redshirter thing. As someone who has read these threads for awhile, I’ve seen some awful behavior justified. It is of course entirely inappropriate for a parent to be tracking down the birthdays of seventh and eighth graders in a pull-out program. They should not even know the names of the kids in a standard public school setting, let alone when they were born. But this is something really creepy that anti-redshirt parents do. I remember a thread where someone compiled a spreadsheet of the birthdays of the gifted kids in middle school.

It’s extremely creepy behavior but they justify to themselves somehow.

Nothing creepy about it, my kid gets invited to a few bday parties a month and plays sports with most of the kids. Rosters often have birthdays, the kids talk about it in carpool, etc, It’s not a secret. You may not know if you’re socially isolated

For middle school? Absolutely creepy. Just the fact you are cross referencing sports rosters with class names that you had to dig up on your own (because no middle school math teacher is releasing names) shows how absolutely inappropriate you are. Stay away from kids, weirdo.

We actually know all the kids and families. There’s only 70 kids in my child’s grade and 35 boys, all who I know and have pretty much every mom’s phone number and some social relationship with from parties and sports and extracurriculars. This is elementary school. No one is talking about middle school
but you. We know every kid except for a few outliers that don’t socialize with the rest of the families or participate in activities.

Right, and somehow you've seen all of the other kids' academic transcripts too, and they all correlate with the child's age?

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Anonymous wrote:Same we know everyone’s but we socialize with most of the families.

Uh, huh. Right. There's literally 900 kids at Lafayette. There's 700 kids at Murch. These schools are big. You don't know the ages of everyone. And the desire to explain every little thing by whether someone's birthday is four months before someone else's is just strange.

People won't know for all 700 kids. But they will know for the 100 kids in their child's grade.

They for sure can’t know that unless they are being inappropriate.

I had kids invited to literally every birthday party in elementary, we socialized widely, and I could not have known the birthdays of 100 of them the way anti-redshirters have them memorized. You can only do that if you are inappropriately memorizing and studying kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why anyone would want to delay their child's education by one full year if the child was otherwise normal. It seems to be more of a thing among parents who recognize their children have some behavior problems and cognitive issues.

It that case, I sincerely hope simply redshirting is enough to solve the problem. Though I think in many cases it would be better to start school on time and get outside support with the behavior and learning disabilities.

I haven't seen this at all. It seems to be anyone with a summer birthday and a SAHM (because a working mom wouldn't want to pay for an extra year of daycare.) Many of my friends did this and said they didn't want their kid to be the youngest for social reasons. Nothing about academics as these are all bright kids.
The popular boys in my sons grades all seem to be the oldest/tallest so yes, this is more of a boy thing.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

This is a creepy anti-redshirter thing. As someone who has read these threads for awhile, I’ve seen some awful behavior justified. It is of course entirely inappropriate for a parent to be tracking down the birthdays of seventh and eighth graders in a pull-out program. They should not even know the names of the kids in a standard public school setting, let alone when they were born. But this is something really creepy that anti-redshirt parents do. I remember a thread where someone compiled a spreadsheet of the birthdays of the gifted kids in middle school.

It’s extremely creepy behavior but they justify to themselves somehow.

Nothing creepy about it, my kid gets invited to a few bday parties a month and plays sports with most of the kids. Rosters often have birthdays, the kids talk about it in carpool, etc, It’s not a secret. You may not know if you’re socially isolated

For middle school? Absolutely creepy. Just the fact you are cross referencing sports rosters with class names that you had to dig up on your own (because no middle school math teacher is releasing names) shows how absolutely inappropriate you are. Stay away from kids, weirdo.

Your obsession with it is weird as you hold your kids back for sports. You cannot make your kids smarter by holding them back and you are socially hurting them as they are not with their peers, they are with much younger kids who are age-appropriate and your child isn't if you are basing their behavior and maturity on kids 1-2 years younger.

I didn’t redshirt my kids. I just think anti-redshirters are very creepy with their obsessions with other people’s kids. One of my kids is actually very young for grade.

It's just how people are. Kids talk, parents talk. No one gets to just make decisions and expect everyone else to move and their own business. Once I was picking my kids up from school and some dad o barely know walked up and said "oh hey I hear you guys just bought an EV." I guess one ofy kids had been talking about it, and this guy's kid heard and reported it at home. There is only so much privacy and anonymity within school communities because kids are not very discreet.

And that's how it works with redshirting. A group of 1st graders will be talking about who is 7 already, and Aiden R. will say "I turned 7 in June." And then those kids will all go home and say "Aiden R. turned 7 in June!"

And then that's a piece of info people will reference whenever something happens with Aiden R. If he wins an academic award, if he gets in trouble, whatever. People will know he was redshirted and that will be part of the conversation.

Is it fair? No. Life is not fair. It's very normal though. This is how people are.

Nobody is having these conversations. Just you.

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Anonymous wrote:if you are redshirting because of sports, you are an idiot. there's literally a million kids in california and texas and ohio and florida who will embarrass your kid on the field of whatever sport you've choosen. the dmv is not exactly a hotbed of athletic achievement.

Wait until you find out how many Texans are redshirted, boys and girls.

Again, not really sports work. You can't fool talent evaluators by simply holding your kid back. People are not stupid, and there is no weird trick here to be had.

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Anonymous wrote:if you are redshirting because of sports, you are an idiot. there's literally a million kids in california and texas and ohio and florida who will embarrass your kid on the field of whatever sport you've choosen. the dmv is not exactly a hotbed of athletic achievement.

Wait until you find out how many Texans are redshirted, boys and girls.

Again, not really sports work. You can't fool talent evaluators by simply holding your kid back. People are not stupid, and there is no weird trick here to be had.

It’s been going on for generations. People don’t care and have other reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

This is a creepy anti-redshirter thing. As someone who has read these threads for awhile, I’ve seen some awful behavior justified. It is of course entirely inappropriate for a parent to be tracking down the birthdays of seventh and eighth graders in a pull-out program. They should not even know the names of the kids in a standard public school setting, let alone when they were born. But this is something really creepy that anti-redshirt parents do. I remember a thread where someone compiled a spreadsheet of the birthdays of the gifted kids in middle school.

It’s extremely creepy behavior but they justify to themselves somehow.

Nothing creepy about it, my kid gets invited to a few bday parties a month and plays sports with most of the kids. Rosters often have birthdays, the kids talk about it in carpool, etc, It’s not a secret. You may not know if you’re socially isolated

For middle school? Absolutely creepy. Just the fact you are cross referencing sports rosters with class names that you had to dig up on your own (because no middle school math teacher is releasing names) shows how absolutely inappropriate you are. Stay away from kids, weirdo.

We actually know all the kids and families. There’s only 70 kids in my child’s grade and 35 boys, all who I know and have pretty much every mom’s phone number and some social relationship with from parties and sports and extracurriculars. This is elementary school. No one is talking about middle school
but you. We know every kid except for a few outliers that don’t socialize with the rest of the families or participate in activities.

Right, and somehow you've seen all of the other kids' academic transcripts too, and they all correlate with the child's age?

I only know the kids from sports. Have no idea how kids are doing academically

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

This is a creepy anti-redshirter thing. As someone who has read these threads for awhile, I’ve seen some awful behavior justified. It is of course entirely inappropriate for a parent to be tracking down the birthdays of seventh and eighth graders in a pull-out program. They should not even know the names of the kids in a standard public school setting, let alone when they were born. But this is something really creepy that anti-redshirt parents do. I remember a thread where someone compiled a spreadsheet of the birthdays of the gifted kids in middle school.

It’s extremely creepy behavior but they justify to themselves somehow.

Nothing creepy about it, my kid gets invited to a few bday parties a month and plays sports with most of the kids. Rosters often have birthdays, the kids talk about it in carpool, etc, It’s not a secret. You may not know if you’re socially isolated

For middle school? Absolutely creepy. Just the fact you are cross referencing sports rosters with class names that you had to dig up on your own (because no middle school math teacher is releasing names) shows how absolutely inappropriate you are. Stay away from kids, weirdo.

Your obsession with it is weird as you hold your kids back for sports. You cannot make your kids smarter by holding them back and you are socially hurting them as they are not with their peers, they are with much younger kids who are age-appropriate and your child isn't if you are basing their behavior and maturity on kids 1-2 years younger.

I didn’t redshirt my kids. I just think anti-redshirters are very creepy with their obsessions with other people’s kids. One of my kids is actually very young for grade.

It's just how people are. Kids talk, parents talk. No one gets to just make decisions and expect everyone else to move and their own business. Once I was picking my kids up from school and some dad o barely know walked up and said "oh hey I hear you guys just bought an EV." I guess one ofy kids had been talking about it, and this guy's kid heard and reported it at home. There is only so much privacy and anonymity within school communities because kids are not very discreet.

And that's how it works with redshirting. A group of 1st graders will be talking about who is 7 already, and Aiden R. will say "I turned 7 in June." And then those kids will all go home and say "Aiden R. turned 7 in June!"

And then that's a piece of info people will reference whenever something happens with Aiden R. If he wins an academic award, if he gets in trouble, whatever. People will know he was redshirted and that will be part of the conversation.

Is it fair? No. Life is not fair. It's very normal though. This is how people are.

Nobody is having these conversations. Just you.

A lot of people are having them. Even if just at home with their spouse. It's just a reality of life. I don't particularly like it but I don't freak out about it either. Gossip has been happening since the beginning of humanity.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

This is a creepy anti-redshirter thing. As someone who has read these threads for awhile, I’ve seen some awful behavior justified. It is of course entirely inappropriate for a parent to be tracking down the birthdays of seventh and eighth graders in a pull-out program. They should not even know the names of the kids in a standard public school setting, let alone when they were born. But this is something really creepy that anti-redshirt parents do. I remember a thread where someone compiled a spreadsheet of the birthdays of the gifted kids in middle school.

It’s extremely creepy behavior but they justify to themselves somehow.

Nothing creepy about it, my kid gets invited to a few bday parties a month and plays sports with most of the kids. Rosters often have birthdays, the kids talk about it in carpool, etc, It’s not a secret. You may not know if you’re socially isolated

For middle school? Absolutely creepy. Just the fact you are cross referencing sports rosters with class names that you had to dig up on your own (because no middle school math teacher is releasing names) shows how absolutely inappropriate you are. Stay away from kids, weirdo.

Your obsession with it is weird as you hold your kids back for sports. You cannot make your kids smarter by holding them back and you are socially hurting them as they are not with their peers, they are with much younger kids who are age-appropriate and your child isn't if you are basing their behavior and maturity on kids 1-2 years younger.

I didn’t redshirt my kids. I just think anti-redshirters are very creepy with their obsessions with other people’s kids. One of my kids is actually very young for grade.

It's just how people are. Kids talk, parents talk. No one gets to just make decisions and expect everyone else to move and their own business. Once I was picking my kids up from school and some dad o barely know walked up and said "oh hey I hear you guys just bought an EV." I guess one ofy kids had been talking about it, and this guy's kid heard and reported it at home. There is only so much privacy and anonymity within school communities because kids are not very discreet.

And that's how it works with redshirting. A group of 1st graders will be talking about who is 7 already, and Aiden R. will say "I turned 7 in June." And then those kids will all go home and say "Aiden R. turned 7 in June!"

And then that's a piece of info people will reference whenever something happens with Aiden R. If he wins an academic award, if he gets in trouble, whatever. People will know he was redshirted and that will be part of the conversation.

Is it fair? No. Life is not fair. It's very normal though. This is how people are.

Nobody is having these conversations. Just you.

The anti-redshirters do gossip about kids. They talk about it freely in these threads. But they don’t understand that everyone else thinks they are really weird for doing so, and avoid them.

What I always find interesting about these threads is how openly anti-redshirters talk about their anti-social behaviors but they don’t have any idea how everyone else perceives them. So, they think all parents gossip about children the way they so, when in fact they are in a bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:The redshirt debate is so dumb. The advantages are highly exaggerated. No one is going to think your kid is super smart because they repeated a grade. And your kid may feel self conscious and embarrassed by being older than everyone else for the rest of their time in school (not to mention being incredibly bored having to repeat a grade).

Lol no. The only people who have a problem are people like OP who think they made a mistake or missed out. It’s all upside for redshirters.

I’ve seen it go sideways in athletics with kids who were used to cruising by being the stars in elementary and when some of the younger kids came out ahead post puberty they struggled not being the best on the team and didn’t have the grit and work ethic to keep up and dropped altogether. I saw that even in 4/5 grade when kids started evening out.

Same for academics.

If you are truly gifted, then redshirting can give you that edge to be a champion. But that needs to overcome the challenge of not being challenged in your grade level program.

If you are not truly gifted, but redshirting for edge, then redshirting is just delaying inevitable lackluster performance.

If you are holding back a year because you aren't mature enough for the original assigned grade, you'll thrive.

Truly gifted kids don't gain an edge by being redshirted. They perform at the top either way.

This depends. Our county’s gifted program for math and English starts in 7th grade. Not only is it very accelerated in material, the pace is also very accelerated- as in it requires 2+ hours of homework per night. Even many kids that test into it can’t keep up. The ones on the younger side tend to lack the executive function skills and maturity to handle such a high volume of work and expectations

Give me a break. Send your kid to RSM and tell me how "gifted" they are. The seven year olds will run circles around your seventh grader.

My kids finished through precalc and 12th grade English through this program by the end of 8th grade. They have winter birthdays. Their peers with late summer/early fall birthdays that didn’t redshirt really struggled in this program and dropped. It wasn’t for lack of intellect.

So weird how everyone always knows precisely how old all the other children are and, not only that, but how literally every single thing can be explained by whether a child is slightly older or younger than the next one.

This is a creepy anti-redshirter thing. As someone who has read these threads for awhile, I’ve seen some awful behavior justified. It is of course entirely inappropriate for a parent to be tracking down the birthdays of seventh and eighth graders in a pull-out program. They should not even know the names of the kids in a standard public school setting, let alone when they were born. But this is something really creepy that anti-redshirt parents do. I remember a thread where someone compiled a spreadsheet of the birthdays of the gifted kids in middle school.

It’s extremely creepy behavior but they justify to themselves somehow.

Nothing creepy about it, my kid gets invited to a few bday parties a month and plays sports with most of the kids. Rosters often have birthdays, the kids talk about it in carpool, etc, It’s not a secret. You may not know if you’re socially isolated

For middle school? Absolutely creepy. Just the fact you are cross referencing sports rosters with class names that you had to dig up on your own (because no middle school math teacher is releasing names) shows how absolutely inappropriate you are. Stay away from kids, weirdo.

Your obsession with it is weird as you hold your kids back for sports. You cannot make your kids smarter by holding them back and you are socially hurting them as they are not with their peers, they are with much younger kids who are age-appropriate and your child isn't if you are basing their behavior and maturity on kids 1-2 years younger.

I didn’t redshirt my kids. I just think anti-redshirters are very creepy with their obsessions with other people’s kids. One of my kids is actually very young for grade.

It's just how people are. Kids talk, parents talk. No one gets to just make decisions and expect everyone else to move and their own business. Once I was picking my kids up from school and some dad o barely know walked up and said "oh hey I hear you guys just bought an EV." I guess one ofy kids had been talking about it, and this guy's kid heard and reported it at home. There is only so much privacy and anonymity within school communities because kids are not very discreet.

And that's how it works with redshirting. A group of 1st graders will be talking about who is 7 already, and Aiden R. will say "I turned 7 in June." And then those kids will all go home and say "Aiden R. turned 7 in June!"

And then that's a piece of info people will reference whenever something happens with Aiden R. If he wins an academic award, if he gets in trouble, whatever. People will know he was redshirted and that will be part of the conversation.

Is it fair? No. Life is not fair. It's very normal though. This is how people are.

Nobody is having these conversations. Just you.

A lot of people are having them. Even if just at home with their spouse. It's just a reality of life. I don't particularly like it but I don't freak out about it either. Gossip has been happening since the beginning of humanity.

Lol. Be sure they are talking about you as well then.