Are Ivy Leagues outdated and irrelevant these days?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Managers are reluctant to hire recent ivy grads

https://www.resume.org/research/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

The unfortunate evidence is here. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Managers are reluctant to hire recent ivy grads

https://www.resume.org/research/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

The unfortunate evidence is here. Thank you.

That’s not specific to Ivy, DA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ivies are and will remain powerful because they attract the best people, not because of their courses or professors. Harvard will become more important, not less, because of its persecution by Trump. A year ago, no one would use the word "sympathetic" to describe Harvard--and yet now they have that, too. People can rage all they want about these institutions, but every parent and child will always maximize future utility, power, and wealth, and these places are the surest way to achieve that.

No, they are increasingly seen as attracting the most pampered, spoiled, soulless social-climbers among us.

Who can forget the protester at Columbia who thought the people who took over an administration building still deserved to have their dining hall meals delivered to them?

The Ivies are only special if people respect them. Columbia is OVER. That is the first domino to fall.

Should I tell this to the company I work for? They are pretty exclusive regarding who they hire and we just onboarded 3 Columbia students along with several others from a range of the Ivy schools. We also hire from other schools but the Ivy’s feature prominently in our hiring program

Same. My nephew (rising Ivy sophomore) just got hired at an impressive International co. For internship during fall abroad at prestigious intl. university. That would not happen sophomore Fall at my alma mater (big public).

He had a host of internship offers this summer too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

Exactly.

The Ivies are less beholden to legacy admissions than in the past, the sports always come second to academics at Ivies, and the academic rigor is less watered down at most of the Ivies than at most other top universities.

Sorry that you/your kid got turned away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

Exactly.

The Ivies are less beholden to legacy admissions than in the past, the sports always come second to academics at Ivies, and the academic rigor is less watered down at most of the Ivies than at most other top universities.

Sorry that you/your kid got turned away.

There are lots of melodramatic stories about rich legacies who got in because of who their parents are, and that definitely does happen. But the vast majority of legacies are very smart kids. Smart people have smart, highly motivated kids. My kid is smart and wants to go to the Ivy+ I went to. I'm not donating big bucks. He might have a small edge but not much. He has known from an early age that if he wants to go there, he better work his tail off. So that has created extra motivation.

Legacy kids also quickly fit in at schools and know how to socialize like adults. This is highly underrated but schools don't want a bunch of nerdy drones who will lock themselves in the library and computer lab.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

Exactly.

The Ivies are less beholden to legacy admissions than in the past, the sports always come second to academics at Ivies, and the academic rigor is less watered down at most of the Ivies than at most other top universities.

Sorry that you/your kid got turned away.

There are lots of melodramatic stories about rich legacies who got in because of who their parents are, and that definitely does happen. But the vast majority of legacies are very smart kids. Smart people have smart, highly motivated kids. My kid is smart and wants to go to the Ivy+ I went to. I'm not donating big bucks. He might have a small edge but not much. He has known from an early age that if he wants to go there, he better work his tail off. So that has created extra motivation.

Legacy kids also quickly fit in at schools and know how to socialize like adults. This is highly underrated but schools don't want a bunch of nerdy drones who will lock themselves in the library and computer lab.

+1

I overheard my son and friends discussing this (all different HS in dmv—all tippy top students). My kid is at an Ivy and really happy that every kid in his courses is incredibly smart. Vibrant discussions. Couple friends found they were far ahead of classmates at their respective universities— more a mix of kids. TO and grade inflation plays into this too. And- contrary to stereotypes—it’s possible to be very smart and not an unsocial nerd. You can even be athletic…..the whole package is there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s the era of the tech/STEm schools. They’re the ones changing the world these days. IMO, the most important schools the last 100 years are:

Berkeley
Stanford
MIT
CMU
Georgia Tech

In that order.

Fine, graduate from those schools and end up working for someone who went to Harvard.

[Anonymous]

So which ivies did Trump and his cronies get rejected from? It is pretty obvious? Haven't heard anything about attacks on Penn or Yale?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

Why is it that the folks who point out the athletic and legacy preference in posts like this forget the URM preference they had until a minute ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

Why is it that the folks who point out the athletic and legacy preference in posts like this forget the URM preference they had until a minute ago.

Maybe because they don't exist?

[Anonymous]

Not sure what you mean by “falling out of favor.“ What metric would you use for this? A conversation you had a cocktail party? Pretty much all of the major rankings are still Ivy heavy at the top and their acceptance rates are at unprecedented lows. But the good news is they are not the only great schools in town! There are lots of great places! So maybe what’s different as they are no longer considered the obvious tough choice for strong students but among the great choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what you mean by “falling out of favor.“ What metric would you use for this? A conversation you had a cocktail party? Pretty much all of the major rankings are still Ivy heavy at the top and their acceptance rates are at unprecedented lows. But the good news is they are not the only great schools in town! There are lots of great places! So maybe what’s different as they are no longer considered the obvious tough choice for strong students but among the great choices.

Kid didn’t get in ivies…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

Cal takes a huge number from community colleges. Though I think top 10% CAL graduates are on par with top half of ivy graduates.

Get ready to have your world rocked.

I transfered into Cal from a community college. I also graduated in the top 10% from Cal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

Why is it that the folks who point out the athletic and legacy preference in posts like this forget the URM preference they had until a minute ago.

Athletics aren’t preferences; they are institutional priorities and you need to make the cut.