Are Ivy Leagues outdated and irrelevant these days?

[Anonymous]

I think it's mostly older people who are obsessing about the Ivy brand. There are plenty of other schools that are equal or superior to the Ivy League - Stanford, MIT, Rice, Duke, Chicago, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, Williams, Pomona. None of those students are lacking in opportunities because they chose something different than an Ivy League school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best thing about being an Ivy (actually, double Ivy) grad is knowing how much we live inside the heads of the terminally resentful.

You are not an ivy grad. People should resent these institutions-they’re morally bankrupt and produce so many miserable and evil world “leaders”

Trump, Penn
Vance, Yale
Elon Mask, Penn
Quite a few clowns in his cabinet are also ivy graduates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Ivy League is an athletic conference that is very much relevant.

- in college athletics.

Not much else.

College Athletics are of little importance. The educational opportunities at these schools are outstanding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

+1

Yeah, it's also not like the old days when fewer students attended college and high-achieving students were concentrated in a few prestigious institutions. Nowadays, most high school seniors pursue higher education, and talented students are distributed across many universities throughout the country.

This answer doesn’t come close to describing the “old days” at all.

In the old days, 90% of all students went to college like 30 miles of where they lived…even boarding school kids were fairly local to Boston and Mass.

My grandfather went to Harvard because he was smart and lived 5 miles away. If he lived in the middle of Iowa, he would have attended some college within around 30 miles.

Harvard was more like 75% only because there was a large group from NYC even “back in the day”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

+1

Yeah, it's also not like the old days when fewer students attended college and high-achieving students were concentrated in a few prestigious institutions. Nowadays, most high school seniors pursue higher education, and talented students are distributed across many universities throughout the country.

Actually, it is still only 45%. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=51

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's mostly older people who are obsessing about the Ivy brand. There are plenty of other schools that are equal or superior to the Ivy League - Stanford, MIT, Rice, Duke, Chicago, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, Williams, Pomona. None of those students are lacking in opportunities because they chose something different than an Ivy League school.

Some of these schools are equal to the Ivy League, while others are inferior. None are superior. And many of the students admitted to these schools did not in fact have a choice to attend an Ivy League school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

+1

Yeah, it's also not like the old days when fewer students attended college and high-achieving students were concentrated in a few prestigious institutions. Nowadays, most high school seniors pursue higher education, and talented students are distributed across many universities throughout the country.

This answer doesn’t come close to describing the “old days” at all.

In the old days, 90% of all students went to college like 30 miles of where they lived…even boarding school kids were fairly local to Boston and Mass.

My grandfather went to Harvard because he was smart and lived 5 miles away. If he lived in the middle of Iowa, he would have attended some college within around 30 miles.

Harvard was more like 75% only because there was a large group from NYC even “back in the day”.

DP: Was 2020 the "old days"? Because the median distance to college in 2020 was 17 miles, with 69% of college students traveling no more than 50 miles. https://ticas.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/HIllman-Geography-of-Opportunity-Brief-2_2023.pdf

Most students still attend colleges close to home.

[Anonymous]

No

[Anonymous]

Other than HYP who cares about the other 5.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

+1

Yeah, it's also not like the old days when fewer students attended college and high-achieving students were concentrated in a few prestigious institutions. Nowadays, most high school seniors pursue higher education, and talented students are distributed across many universities throughout the country.

This answer doesn’t come close to describing the “old days” at all.

In the old days, 90% of all students went to college like 30 miles of where they lived…even boarding school kids were fairly local to Boston and Mass.

My grandfather went to Harvard because he was smart and lived 5 miles away. If he lived in the middle of Iowa, he would have attended some college within around 30 miles.

Harvard was more like 75% only because there was a large group from NYC even “back in the day”.

DP: Was 2020 the "old days"? Because the median distance to college in 2020 was 17 miles, with 69% of college students traveling no more than 50 miles. https://ticas.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/HIllman-Geography-of-Opportunity-Brief-2_2023.pdf

Most students still attend colleges close to home.

That’s the point…imagine what it was in the 1950s or 1980s or whatever the “old days” are.

Many people like to reference a time in the past where only the most deserving attended the best schools and somehow kids from the middle of South Dakota found their way to Harvard.

Problem is that time has never existed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

They are exclusive rich-kids clubs which are not really much better than many of the best alternatives.

yes and full of foreign students

They offer extremely generous need based aid. Ivy kids are quite diverse racially and economically. The stereotype is outdated .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's mostly older people who are obsessing about the Ivy brand. There are plenty of other schools that are equal or superior to the Ivy League - Stanford, MIT, Rice, Duke, Chicago, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, Williams, Pomona. None of those students are lacking in opportunities because they chose something different than an Ivy League school.

Some of these schools are equal to the Ivy League, while others are inferior. None are superior. And many of the students admitted to these schools did not in fact have a choice to attend an Ivy League school.

Just outlandishly wrong. You do know brown, Cornell and Dartmouth are still in the Ivy League right? All of those schools have students who also got into some mix of those three and some people will even choose those schools over HYP. There’s really no reason to box yourself so hard into the ivy or nothing box in 2025.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best thing about being an Ivy (actually, double Ivy) grad is knowing how much we live inside the heads of the terminally resentful.

You are not an ivy grad. People should resent these institutions-they’re morally bankrupt and produce so many miserable and evil world “leaders”

Wrong. And we/they produce leaders. Some are good and some are not.

What a riveting review. Newsflash: most top 100 colleges produce “leaders.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With maga taking down ivies, this might become true in a few years. Sad.

The Ivies are falling out of favor because people finally discovered the 30% legacy admissions, the sports recruiting, and figured out the academic accomplishments are highly inflated at the Ivies.

+1

Yeah, it's also not like the old days when fewer students attended college and high-achieving students were concentrated in a few prestigious institutions. Nowadays, most high school seniors pursue higher education, and talented students are distributed across many universities throughout the country.

This answer doesn’t come close to describing the “old days” at all.

In the old days, 90% of all students went to college like 30 miles of where they lived…even boarding school kids were fairly local to Boston and Mass.

My grandfather went to Harvard because he was smart and lived 5 miles away. If he lived in the middle of Iowa, he would have attended some college within around 30 miles.

Harvard was more like 75% only because there was a large group from NYC even “back in the day”.

DP: Was 2020 the "old days"? Because the median distance to college in 2020 was 17 miles, with 69% of college students traveling no more than 50 miles. https://ticas.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/HIllman-Geography-of-Opportunity-Brief-2_2023.pdf

Most students still attend colleges close to home.

That’s the point…imagine what it was in the 1950s or 1980s or whatever the “old days” are.

Many people like to reference a time in the past where only the most deserving attended the best schools and somehow kids from the middle of South Dakota found their way to Harvard.

Problem is that time has never existed.

+100. I’d love to know when the meritocracy was ever at the Ivies. At least now they’ve expanded their financial aid policies and try to recruit FGLI through organizations like QuestBridge and Posse. But “the good old days” were for the wealthy white males. Columbia became co-ed in 1983.

[Anonymous]

A toxic brew of magical thinking and copium.