Managers sre avoiding hiring recent college grads

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Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

Most of them outright ignore their homework assignments. A good portion of those who turn it in use technology to do it for them.

How many hours are they at school per day six or seven? When I was in school, I managed to get it done while I was there. Bringing it home and blaming it on parents is absurd.

Teachers don't do anything. It frustrates me because I have other activities planned for my kids. Activities that they don't get in school. Like athletics and what not. My wife's like, but wait she has homework to do...

I'm of half a mind to start assigning "schoolwork" and putting it in her backpack to take to the teacher, so she can get it done in school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

Most of them outright ignore their homework assignments. A good portion of those who turn it in use technology to do it for them.

How many hours are they at school per day six or seven? When I was in school, I managed to get it done while I was there. Bringing it home and blaming it on parents is absurd.

Teachers don't do anything. It frustrates me because I have other activities planned for my kids. Activities that they don't get in school. Like athletics and what not. My wife's like, but wait she has homework to do...

I'm of half a mind to start assigning "schoolwork" and putting it in her backpack to take to the teacher, so she can get it done in school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Now take a step back and consider that the ones who didn't go to college are even worse off, because they lacked the focus and will to even do enough to be able to get into college in the first place.

Stop attacking college, that's not where the problem lies.

Absolutely attack colleges and the ridiculous govt student loans that perpetuate 5-10% per annum rise in college “costs” and the rise in keeping crappy Tier 3&4 colleges even in operation.

Such a racket.

But finally being right sized now. With no large trade school systems in place.

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Anonymous wrote:Universities no longer provide an education; only indoctrination.

This is the dumbest comment. Nobody is indoctrinated at universities. Did you even attend or you quoting some Fox News line?

Obviously you haven’t been in college for a few decades.

DP... Obviously, you are a FOX-News indoctrinated troll who just believes what they have to say about it.

Yeah, not much.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/students/free-speech/2023/04/13/shouting-down-speakers-who-offend

Do you really believe college students are packing auditoriums to protest for trans rights? Look at to picture that's with that article. A small classroom with fewer protestors than students in even an advance math lecture. When the numbers get up to a typical Pysch101 lecture, wake me.

It does exist. The article cites several examples of it. There's ideological programming and brainwashing everywhere. It has been building for the better part of two decades.

Sorry to rain on your sacred cow (and your safe space).

Ever heard of the 1960's counter culture? Youth rebellion has existed for probably centuries. Most college student still go about their class schedules and attend parties. Then they graduate and move to the next stage of life.

I agree there is something wrong, but it's not political indoctrination. Seriously the one being politically indoctrinated is you, and I hope someday you realize that.

Most 1960s hippies never amounted to anything and the other half carried the country.

Unf the 1960s hippies did infiltrate the universities with their hippie philosophy and helped created the current day mess in the college system and then replicated in the public k-12 system.

Most of the hippie's "get the man off our backs" became Reagan Republicans "get the government off our backs" and your weak understanding of higher education yields a woefully false conclusion.

Most of the country kept working. Or were in Vietnam.

Hippies stayed in academia or communes or took govt jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about your children and your neighbors children you will help stop the h1b and opt job replacement visas

I expect this Congress to introduce and pass a bill to limit H-1B visas to a small number of critical-need talents. If you do not act, the program will continue to drive Americans out of these fields.

If you care about your children, you will start disciplining them so that they don't think they are the center of the Universe. You'll start making them read books and build things instead of playing games on their phones. You'll not helicopter their every interaction with authority. Then maybe hiring managers will actually want to hire US born workers rather than foreign workers.

Don’t helicopter your kids with authority, but also hover over them and dictate what they do with their free time ??

No. They just fondle their smartphones 8 hours a day. Parenting is easy with screens! A la Adolescence.

And don’t take them away and suffer their temper tantrums. Let the kids rule. They know best, esp teens. They need their screen time to stay calm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I teach HS math and I agree with you about the arithmetic and reading skills, although I did teach arithmetic and fractions to a middle-aged man who had been laid off a few years ago and wanted to get into the trades, so it's not just Gen-z.

We've been told that close to a third of our incoming 9th graders are 2 years or more below grade level in reading. Most of them have no number sense, can't do basic arithmetic, and think it's their god-given right to use calculators. Most of them outright ignore their homework assignments. A good portion of those who turn it in use technology to do it for them.

Part of this I think is due to widespread technology use and lack of parenting. A good part of it is due to laws the public voted for to "make schools accountable" for teaching, passing and graduating students in a given amount of time.
We are forced to give students a minimum grade of 50% just for scribbling something on their exam or assignment. We are forced to have them use online graphing calculators like Desmos that do most of the math for them (those are also built into standardized tests). Quarterly grades can't be below 50% so a kid with a zero still ends up with 50%. We are forced to accept late work. We have to give retakes. Everyone is told to take 4 years of math in high school to impress colleges and get an "advanced diploma", even if the only reason they passed the previous class is because of all the fake grades. We're not allowed to advise on course placement and tell a kid they need a remedial class. Up until this year, we weren't allowed to do anything about phones--that almost all students were on all the time. Close to a fifth of our students are chronically absent.

The above is why private and Catholic schools are 40% oversubscribed.

Public schools are largely in the $hitter between overeating, crap off the shelf bought curricula, zero discipline, uninvolved parents, “can’t teach ahead”, too much tech & Chromebooks in the classroom, no textbooks only Google Classroom pairs, Low expectations (pass everyone, retake everything), etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Yes education and parents failed them.

We now ask for what high school they went to and their transcript / grades.

We want a track record of hard work and success and accountability. Ones who top out with only pre algebra - and fakey grades - don’t get an interview. They simple cannot think through anything, nor learn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need 3-6 month hiring probationary periods, like in europe white collar and blue collar jobs.

Cut the incompetent ones early on.

Are you allowed to fire workers in places like France?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need 3-6 month hiring probationary periods, like in europe white collar and blue collar jobs.

Cut the incompetent ones early on.

I’ve never worked for an organization that didn’t have at least a 90 day probationary period. Am I missing something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Now take a step back and consider that the ones who didn't go to college are even worse off, because they lacked the focus and will to even do enough to be able to get into college in the first place.

Stop attacking college, that's not where the problem lies.

Absolutely attack colleges and the ridiculous govt student loans that perpetuate 5-10% per annum rise in college “costs” and the rise in keeping crappy Tier 3&4 colleges even in operation.

Such a racket.

But finally being right sized now. With no large trade school systems in place.

The problem is colleges have become country clubs. The dorms are so much nicer than the prison-like cell I had. The dining halls are very nice. It’s like luxury creep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Now take a step back and consider that the ones who didn't go to college are even worse off, because they lacked the focus and will to even do enough to be able to get into college in the first place.

Stop attacking college, that's not where the problem lies.

Absolutely attack colleges and the ridiculous govt student loans that perpetuate 5-10% per annum rise in college “costs” and the rise in keeping crappy Tier 3&4 colleges even in operation.

Such a racket.

But finally being right sized now. With no large trade school systems in place.

The problem is colleges have become country clubs. The dorms are so much nicer than the prison-like cell I had. The dining halls are very nice. It’s like luxury creep.

And that's what parents and students demand.

I don't know that I could have afforded to attend luxury college today, it was hard enough to attend bare bones college in the 80s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is this in the political forum?

Most American universities have become political indoctrination camps where the kids get a four year break from family life — all expenses paid. What’s not to like?

Any kind of preparation for real life is no longer a priority. That degree isn’t as valuable as it was for us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Universities no longer provide an education; only indoctrination.

This is the dumbest comment. Nobody is indoctrinated at universities. Did you even attend or you quoting some Fox News line?

Obviously you haven’t been in college for a few decades.

DP... Obviously, you are a FOX-News indoctrinated troll who just believes what they have to say about it.

Yeah, not much.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/students/free-speech/2023/04/13/shouting-down-speakers-who-offend

Do you really believe college students are packing auditoriums to protest for trans rights? Look at to picture that's with that article. A small classroom with fewer protestors than students in even an advance math lecture. When the numbers get up to a typical Pysch101 lecture, wake me.

It does exist. The article cites several examples of it. There's ideological programming and brainwashing everywhere. It has been building for the better part of two decades.

Sorry to rain on your sacred cow (and your safe space).

Ever heard of the 1960's counter culture? Youth rebellion has existed for probably centuries. Most college student still go about their class schedules and attend parties. Then they graduate and move to the next stage of life.

I agree there is something wrong, but it's not political indoctrination. Seriously the one being politically indoctrinated is you, and I hope someday you realize that.

Most 1960s hippies never amounted to anything and the other half carried the country.

Unf the 1960s hippies did infiltrate the universities with their hippie philosophy and helped created the current day mess in the college system and then replicated in the public k-12 system.

Most of the hippie's "get the man off our backs" became Reagan Republicans "get the government off our backs" and your weak understanding of higher education yields a woefully false conclusion.

Most of the country kept working. Or were in Vietnam.

Hippies stayed in academia or communes or took govt jobs.

Great points!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Now take a step back and consider that the ones who didn't go to college are even worse off, because they lacked the focus and will to even do enough to be able to get into college in the first place.

Stop attacking college, that's not where the problem lies.

Absolutely attack colleges and the ridiculous govt student loans that perpetuate 5-10% per annum rise in college “costs” and the rise in keeping crappy Tier 3&4 colleges even in operation.

Such a racket.

But finally being right sized now. With no large trade school systems in place.

The problem is colleges have become country clubs. The dorms are so much nicer than the prison-like cell I had. The dining halls are very nice. It’s like luxury creep.

When you can increase the price 8%+++ a year and have govt student loans cover it as nauseum that’s exactly what you get.

The k-8 over testing, terrible reading & writing & math curricula, and zero discipline are another serious problem.