Palestinians Starving - What Can We Do?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:May the Israelis get what they deserve and may we all live to see it.

You are all a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths.

Hamas is horrible. So Israel is horrible. So you hope Israel gets treated the same way. This will never end, you know.

I'm a Jew who went on Birthright and was staunchly pro-Israel all my life until the past two years. The blood of murdered Palestinians cries out for justice and the genocidal evil Israelis are doing is an affront to all the Jews murdered in European pogroms and the Holocaust. The Zionist Project must end and it will end only when it is destroyed. May I live to see it happen. There is nothing you can say that will sway me (and most of the world's population) from this position.

Hey, I agree with this statement entirely. The Zionist project should end.

What you expressed earlier is something else entirely?

DP.

The above will never persuade moderates (like me).

I’m a left-leaning independent (not Jewish) who supports a Palestinian state, deplores the Israeli government, and believes that US should act to prevent Israel from reoccupying Gaza.

But I will absolutely not support the elimination of Israel. The fact that this is central to the pro-Palestinian movement is anathema to a majority of Americans across the political spectrum.

You want to make political progress and help the Palestinians? Move to the middle ASAP.

If you don't believe in the dismantling of Israel as a political entity the same way that apartheid South Africa was dismantled, then you are a racist, no exceptions.

South Africa still exists as a country and South Africans of all races, religions, and ethnicities still live there. But people somehow want all the non-Muslim Israelis to … leave? Disappear? Move to Europe or South America or …? And it’s just not going to happen. If you want “apartheid Israel” to end, it would mean the Palestinians denouncing Hamas, terrorism, and extremism, and agreeing to live as law-abiding Israeli citizens in a largely secular society - like the approximately 1/3 of Arab Israelis who enjoy the same freedoms as every other Israeli citizen. And yes, the hardliners in the Israeli government would have to agree to this as well and if they didn’t, the Israeli people and people internationally would need to condemn them. But that’s how we get to one Israel because the people who already live there aren’t leaving, that’s a non-starter.

Exactly. They’re calling for an ethnic cleansing.

Which is not only immoral by their own standards, but utterly impractical since there’s a zero percent chance that the Israelis would accept the elimination of their nation.

Its idiotic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:May the Israelis get what they deserve and may we all live to see it.

You are all a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths.

Hamas is horrible. So Israel is horrible. So you hope Israel gets treated the same way. This will never end, you know.

I'm a Jew who went on Birthright and was staunchly pro-Israel all my life until the past two years. The blood of murdered Palestinians cries out for justice and the genocidal evil Israelis are doing is an affront to all the Jews murdered in European pogroms and the Holocaust. The Zionist Project must end and it will end only when it is destroyed. May I live to see it happen. There is nothing you can say that will sway me (and most of the world's population) from this position.

Hey, I agree with this statement entirely. The Zionist project should end.

What you expressed earlier is something else entirely?

DP.

The above will never persuade moderates (like me).

I’m a left-leaning independent (not Jewish) who supports a Palestinian state, deplores the Israeli government, and believes that US should act to prevent Israel from reoccupying Gaza.

But I will absolutely not support the elimination of Israel. The fact that this is central to the pro-Palestinian movement is anathema to a majority of Americans across the political spectrum.

You want to make political progress and help the Palestinians? Move to the middle ASAP.

DP

I agree with what you said, with one exception: I’ve become firmly indifferent now as to the fate of Israel, the state. That feeling of indifference is increasing daily amongst Anericans.

If Israel undergoes massive structural and cultural reform, and in the process figures out a long-term plan to peacefully coexist with its neighbors, I’m fine with that. Otherwise, I don’t really care what happens to the state itself. I care only that individuals have a “right to exist”.

But the propagandized “right to exist” has been wrongly applied to the state by radical, extremist Zionists. That was done to brainwash individuals like you into going along with a knee-jerk view that guarantees statehood for Israel when we don’t even have that guarantee here in the U.S. It was done to manipulate you.

Israel has no right to exist, just like the U.S. (and every other country) has no right to exist. Whether Israel exists should depend on their policies and actions. Right now, even though change is possible, it ain't looking too likely.

The very first principle of international law is state sovereignty.

In general, I’m strongly in favor of that rule.

You are, are you?

Where are you when Israel is repeatedly violating the state sovereignty of its neighbors? All of a sudden, I suppose, you pivot to “Israel has a right to defend itself” and the preposterous claim of “preemptive self-defense”, right?

You undoubtedly must also have a great explanation for Israelis rioting and attacking their own prison officials who dare to hold Israeli prison staff accountable for rapes, murders and other extra-judicial abuses of the individuals they have detained.

Lemme guess! The Palestinian hostages (you know, since Israel doesn’t have the case, much less the balls, to charge these people) requested the rapes, murders and assorted violations of international law?

GTFOH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:May the Israelis get what they deserve and may we all live to see it.

You are all a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths.

Hamas is horrible. So Israel is horrible. So you hope Israel gets treated the same way. This will never end, you know.

I'm a Jew who went on Birthright and was staunchly pro-Israel all my life until the past two years. The blood of murdered Palestinians cries out for justice and the genocidal evil Israelis are doing is an affront to all the Jews murdered in European pogroms and the Holocaust. The Zionist Project must end and it will end only when it is destroyed. May I live to see it happen. There is nothing you can say that will sway me (and most of the world's population) from this position.

Hey, I agree with this statement entirely. The Zionist project should end.

What you expressed earlier is something else entirely?

DP.

The above will never persuade moderates (like me).

I’m a left-leaning independent (not Jewish) who supports a Palestinian state, deplores the Israeli government, and believes that US should act to prevent Israel from reoccupying Gaza.

But I will absolutely not support the elimination of Israel. The fact that this is central to the pro-Palestinian movement is anathema to a majority of Americans across the political spectrum.

You want to make political progress and help the Palestinians? Move to the middle ASAP.

If you don't believe in the dismantling of Israel as a political entity the same way that apartheid South Africa was dismantled, then you are a racist, no exceptions.

South Africa still exists as a country and South Africans of all races, religions, and ethnicities still live there. But people somehow want all the non-Muslim Israelis to … leave? Disappear? Move to Europe or South America or …? And it’s just not going to happen. If you want “apartheid Israel” to end, it would mean the Palestinians denouncing Hamas, terrorism, and extremism, and agreeing to live as law-abiding Israeli citizens in a largely secular society - like the approximately 1/3 of Arab Israelis who enjoy the same freedoms as every other Israeli citizen. And yes, the hardliners in the Israeli government would have to agree to this as well and if they didn’t, the Israeli people and people internationally would need to condemn them. But that’s how we get to one Israel because the people who already live there aren’t leaving, that’s a non-starter.

Exactly. They’re calling for an ethnic cleansing.

Which is not only immoral by their own standards, but utterly impractical since there’s a zero percent chance that the Israelis would accept the elimination of their nation.

Its idiotic.

No one is calling for that. It'd almost be funny if it weren't so damn sad that you literally can't fathom a Palestine/Israel where Jews, Muslims, and Christians can live as equals. Can Israel not exist without subjugating the people whose land they stole? And if it can't, do they bear no responsibility for the massive amounts of ill will they've engendered?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are all the Arab countries so silent?

Because so many Arab countries are now allies of Israel: Morocco, UAE, Sudan, Bahrain, Jordan, etc… soon Saudi Arabia too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What can we do to force Israel to let food and supplies into Gaza?

Here’s a World Central Kitchen Instagram post showing all the trucks that can’t get in:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJUI_bpxnh_/

What can we do to force our leaders to do something?

Tell the Palestinian people to turn over Hamas and all hostages.

Otherwise, carry on.

This is like saying tell the American people to turn over Trump for everything he is doing. Ludicrous

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, while the idiots on this thread argue..

Any suggestions on how we can help…anyone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure, go travel there yourself bringing food.

World central kitchen tried that and they were killed by Israeli soldiers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you can get Congress to act. Worrying about starving people in Gaza will get you labeled anti-Semitic by this administration.

It's a no-win situation. If you say you want to feed the people go Gaza, you are antisemitic. If you're Jewish, you're automatically labeled a Zionist no matter what you do or say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:May the Israelis get what they deserve and may we all live to see it.

You are all a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths.

Hamas is horrible. So Israel is horrible. So you hope Israel gets treated the same way. This will never end, you know.

I'm a Jew who went on Birthright and was staunchly pro-Israel all my life until the past two years. The blood of murdered Palestinians cries out for justice and the genocidal evil Israelis are doing is an affront to all the Jews murdered in European pogroms and the Holocaust. The Zionist Project must end and it will end only when it is destroyed. May I live to see it happen. There is nothing you can say that will sway me (and most of the world's population) from this position.

Hey, I agree with this statement entirely. The Zionist project should end.

What you expressed earlier is something else entirely?

DP.

The above will never persuade moderates (like me).

I’m a left-leaning independent (not Jewish) who supports a Palestinian state, deplores the Israeli government, and believes that US should act to prevent Israel from reoccupying Gaza.

But I will absolutely not support the elimination of Israel. The fact that this is central to the pro-Palestinian movement is anathema to a majority of Americans across the political spectrum.

You want to make political progress and help the Palestinians? Move to the middle ASAP.

This is blatantly false. No pro-Palestine movement here in the US is calling for the end of Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:May the Israelis get what they deserve and may we all live to see it.

You are all a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths.

Hamas is horrible. So Israel is horrible. So you hope Israel gets treated the same way. This will never end, you know.

I'm a Jew who went on Birthright and was staunchly pro-Israel all my life until the past two years. The blood of murdered Palestinians cries out for justice and the genocidal evil Israelis are doing is an affront to all the Jews murdered in European pogroms and the Holocaust. The Zionist Project must end and it will end only when it is destroyed. May I live to see it happen. There is nothing you can say that will sway me (and most of the world's population) from this position.

Hey, I agree with this statement entirely. The Zionist project should end.

What you expressed earlier is something else entirely?

DP.

The above will never persuade moderates (like me).

I’m a left-leaning independent (not Jewish) who supports a Palestinian state, deplores the Israeli government, and believes that US should act to prevent Israel from reoccupying Gaza.

But I will absolutely not support the elimination of Israel. The fact that this is central to the pro-Palestinian movement is anathema to a majority of Americans across the political spectrum.

You want to make political progress and help the Palestinians? Move to the middle ASAP.

If you don't believe in the dismantling of Israel as a political entity the same way that apartheid South Africa was dismantled, then you are a racist, no exceptions.

South Africa still exists as a country and South Africans of all races, religions, and ethnicities still live there. But people somehow want all the non-Muslim Israelis to … leave? Disappear? Move to Europe or South America or …? And it’s just not going to happen. If you want “apartheid Israel” to end, it would mean the Palestinians denouncing Hamas, terrorism, and extremism, and agreeing to live as law-abiding Israeli citizens in a largely secular society - like the approximately 1/3 of Arab Israelis who enjoy the same freedoms as every other Israeli citizen. And yes, the hardliners in the Israeli government would have to agree to this as well and if they didn’t, the Israeli people and people internationally would need to condemn them. But that’s how we get to one Israel because the people who already live there aren’t leaving, that’s a non-starter.

Exactly. They’re calling for an ethnic cleansing.

Which is not only immoral by their own standards, but utterly impractical since there’s a zero percent chance that the Israelis would accept the elimination of their nation.

Its idiotic.

No one is calling for that. It'd almost be funny if it weren't so damn sad that you literally can't fathom a Palestine/Israel where Jews, Muslims, and Christians can live as equals. Can Israel not exist without subjugating the people whose land they stole? And if it can't, do they bear no responsibility for the massive amounts of ill will they've engendered?

Do you also believe in rainbow-colored unicorns?

There’s a zero percent chance that these peoples can live in peace in a single nation. Because of both of them.

There’s also a zero percent chance that Israelis would ever accept such an arrangement, for understandable reasons.

Your proposed solution is, in short, utterly unrealistic. Literally no chance of it happening and, if it did, would lead to even more bloodshed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:May the Israelis get what they deserve and may we all live to see it.

You are all a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths.

Hamas is horrible. So Israel is horrible. So you hope Israel gets treated the same way. This will never end, you know.

I'm a Jew who went on Birthright and was staunchly pro-Israel all my life until the past two years. The blood of murdered Palestinians cries out for justice and the genocidal evil Israelis are doing is an affront to all the Jews murdered in European pogroms and the Holocaust. The Zionist Project must end and it will end only when it is destroyed. May I live to see it happen. There is nothing you can say that will sway me (and most of the world's population) from this position.

Hey, I agree with this statement entirely. The Zionist project should end.

What you expressed earlier is something else entirely?

DP.

The above will never persuade moderates (like me).

I’m a left-leaning independent (not Jewish) who supports a Palestinian state, deplores the Israeli government, and believes that US should act to prevent Israel from reoccupying Gaza.

But I will absolutely not support the elimination of Israel. The fact that this is central to the pro-Palestinian movement is anathema to a majority of Americans across the political spectrum.

You want to make political progress and help the Palestinians? Move to the middle ASAP.

This is blatantly false. No pro-Palestine movement here in the US is calling for the end of Israel.

You mean aside from every poster in this thread, all of the campus protesters calling for tge destruction of of the settler-colonial state and 90% of the pro-Palestine posters on social media?

C’mon. Get serious

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:May the Israelis get what they deserve and may we all live to see it.

You are all a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths.

Hamas is horrible. So Israel is horrible. So you hope Israel gets treated the same way. This will never end, you know.

I'm a Jew who went on Birthright and was staunchly pro-Israel all my life until the past two years. The blood of murdered Palestinians cries out for justice and the genocidal evil Israelis are doing is an affront to all the Jews murdered in European pogroms and the Holocaust. The Zionist Project must end and it will end only when it is destroyed. May I live to see it happen. There is nothing you can say that will sway me (and most of the world's population) from this position.

Hey, I agree with this statement entirely. The Zionist project should end.

What you expressed earlier is something else entirely?

DP.

The above will never persuade moderates (like me).

I’m a left-leaning independent (not Jewish) who supports a Palestinian state, deplores the Israeli government, and believes that US should act to prevent Israel from reoccupying Gaza.

But I will absolutely not support the elimination of Israel. The fact that this is central to the pro-Palestinian movement is anathema to a majority of Americans across the political spectrum.

You want to make political progress and help the Palestinians? Move to the middle ASAP.

If you don't believe in the dismantling of Israel as a political entity the same way that apartheid South Africa was dismantled, then you are a racist, no exceptions.

South Africa still exists as a country and South Africans of all races, religions, and ethnicities still live there. But people somehow want all the non-Muslim Israelis to … leave? Disappear? Move to Europe or South America or …? And it’s just not going to happen. If you want “apartheid Israel” to end, it would mean the Palestinians denouncing Hamas, terrorism, and extremism, and agreeing to live as law-abiding Israeli citizens in a largely secular society - like the approximately 1/3 of Arab Israelis who enjoy the same freedoms as every other Israeli citizen. And yes, the hardliners in the Israeli government would have to agree to this as well and if they didn’t, the Israeli people and people internationally would need to condemn them. But that’s how we get to one Israel because the people who already live there aren’t leaving, that’s a non-starter.

Umm, white people still live in South Africa.

And your nonsense about 1/3 of Arabs Israelis being equal citizens is categorically false. There are more than 50 discriminatory laws against them.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you can get Congress to act. Worrying about starving people in Gaza will get you labeled anti-Semitic by this administration.

It's a no-win situation. If you say you want to feed the people go Gaza, you are antisemitic. If you're Jewish, you're automatically labeled a Zionist no matter what you do or say.

I'm a Jew who wants to feed the people of Gaza and also is a zionist. Go figure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you can get Congress to act. Worrying about starving people in Gaza will get you labeled anti-Semitic by this administration.

It's a no-win situation. If you say you want to feed the people go Gaza, you are antisemitic. If you're Jewish, you're automatically labeled a Zionist no matter what you do or say.

I think this is by design. There are bad actors from both sides that do NOT want peace and benefit from the suffering of the people of Gaza.