Middle School start times

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep the current schedule.

Middle schoolers are fine with the current schedule

LOL, no, they're not at all. C2 it is. E defeats the whole point of this exercise by not shifting MS late enough, and causes everyone else to shift as well. "Ease of communication"? What a horsesh!t justification... "Dear parents, next year Larla's school will be shifting their bell schedule to <X>". Doesn't really matter what X is

c2 is the best option. It gives middle school a late start and reasonable hours for ES and high school.

Are you stupid????? Late start and coming home late is awful for middler schoolers, this is the age where they start getting serious about sports and they need time to decompress between getting home from school and going to practice. Your teeny tiny ES baby's soccer practice is not nearly as important. These are formative years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would like to keep what we have now. It's only two years and the kids get the fun after school activities.

Exactly. I was so worried before by kid went to middle school because of the early start time (thanks, dcum) and my kid was at an ES with a late start time (9:20), but it was perfectly fine. Middle school was fun because of the after school programs and clubs. The middle school teachers were amazing and caring and he didn’t care about waking up early. On the days he didn’t stay after school, he came home and took a nap and got caught up on schoolwork.

It’s especially dumb if they change everything so that middle school schedules get changed to 30 minutes later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep the current schedule.

Middle schoolers are fine with the current schedule

LOL, no, they're not at all. C2 it is. E defeats the whole point of this exercise by not shifting MS late enough, and causes everyone else to shift as well. "Ease of communication"? What a horsesh!t justification... "Dear parents, next year Larla's school will be shifting their bell schedule to <X>". Doesn't really matter what X is for communication purposes.

E will be chosen as it’s the least disruptive. Everyone will have to compromise by 30 minutes.

Both move HS 30 mins later. C2 keeps SS aligned to HS, E makes it 10 mins later like it is now, whatever, that delta has no material impact on hardly anyone.

C2 and E both move the ES early start time by 30 mins, just in opposite directions. Equally disruptive. The late ES start time only moves 10 mins in C2 vs. 30 mins in E, so C2 slightly less disruptive there.

That leaves MS, which E shifts 30 mins but still isn't in line with American Association of Pediatrics recommendation for 830a (or later) start time for MS. Kinda defeats the whole point of the exercise not to align with AAP's recommendation and do what's best for our kids. But basically I don't see this as being particularly disruptive.

E is also way worse for ES kids getting out so late, and logistically challenging for families who all of a sudden will need before-school SACC... and at many schools there's a multi-year waiting list for that (which would only get longer under E).

[Anonymous]

^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep the current schedule.

Middle schoolers are fine with the current schedule

LOL, no, they're not at all. C2 it is. E defeats the whole point of this exercise by not shifting MS late enough, and causes everyone else to shift as well. "Ease of communication"? What a horsesh!t justification... "Dear parents, next year Larla's school will be shifting their bell schedule to <X>". Doesn't really matter what X is for communication purposes.

E will be chosen as it’s the least disruptive. Everyone will have to compromise by 30 minutes.

Both move HS 30 mins later. C2 keeps SS aligned to HS, E makes it 10 mins later like it is now, whatever, that delta has no material impact on hardly anyone.

C2 and E both move the ES early start time by 30 mins, just in opposite directions. Equally disruptive. The late ES start time only moves 10 mins in C2 vs. 30 mins in E, so C2 slightly less disruptive there.

That leaves MS, which E shifts 30 mins but still isn't in line with American Association of Pediatrics recommendation for 830a (or later) start time for MS. Kinda defeats the whole point of the exercise not to align with AAP's recommendation and do what's best for our kids. But basically I don't see this as being particularly disruptive.

E is also way worse for ES kids getting out so late, and logistically challenging for families who all of a sudden will need before-school SACC... and at many schools there's a multi-year waiting list for that (which would only get longer under E).

They have repeatedly stated in the report that FCPS stated that aligning with the AAP wasn’t one of the criteria they cared about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep the current schedule.

Middle schoolers are fine with the current schedule

LOL, no, they're not at all. C2 it is. E defeats the whole point of this exercise by not shifting MS late enough, and causes everyone else to shift as well. "Ease of communication"? What a horsesh!t justification... "Dear parents, next year Larla's school will be shifting their bell schedule to <X>". Doesn't really matter what X is for communication purposes.

E will be chosen as it’s the least disruptive. Everyone will have to compromise by 30 minutes.

Both move HS 30 mins later. C2 keeps SS aligned to HS, E makes it 10 mins later like it is now, whatever, that delta has no material impact on hardly anyone.

C2 and E both move the ES early start time by 30 mins, just in opposite directions. Equally disruptive. The late ES start time only moves 10 mins in C2 vs. 30 mins in E, so C2 slightly less disruptive there.

That leaves MS, which E shifts 30 mins but still isn't in line with American Association of Pediatrics recommendation for 830a (or later) start time for MS. Kinda defeats the whole point of the exercise not to align with AAP's recommendation and do what's best for our kids. But basically I don't see this as being particularly disruptive.

E is also way worse for ES kids getting out so late, and logistically challenging for families who all of a sudden will need before-school SACC... and at many schools there's a multi-year waiting list for that (which would only get longer under E).

They have repeatedly stated in the report that FCPS stated that aligning with the AAP wasn’t one of the criteria they cared about.

The AAP criteria is harder to meet as it wants everyone starting at 8:30 am or later.

E makes the most sense as everyone gets pushed 30 minutes. 8 am is way better than 7:30 am.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep the current schedule.

Middle schoolers are fine with the current schedule

LOL, no, they're not at all. C2 it is. E defeats the whole point of this exercise by not shifting MS late enough, and causes everyone else to shift as well. "Ease of communication"? What a horsesh!t justification... "Dear parents, next year Larla's school will be shifting their bell schedule to <X>". Doesn't really matter what X is

c2 is the best option. It gives middle school a late start and reasonable hours for ES and high school.

Are you stupid????? Late start and coming home late is awful for middler schoolers, this is the age where they start getting serious about sports and they need time to decompress between getting home from school and going to practice. Your teeny tiny ES baby's soccer practice is not nearly as important. These are formative years.

Actually, late start for middle schoolers makes sense.

If they get out around 4:15-4:30 PM it leaves them with very little time to screw around unsupervised and wreck havok at the local Starbucks because their patents will be home in 20 minutes.

I would be okay bumping the schedule 30 minutes later, if it means elementary starts around 7:30 and middle school is in school until 4:30.

I would not even be a little bit OK if it was the opposite, with elementary getting out at 4:30.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

Middle schoolers don't have homework.

And from 2:15-4:00, they are running around the local shopping plazas causing trouble.

Put middle school times to get out around 4:30.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep the current schedule.

Middle schoolers are fine with the current schedule

LOL, no, they're not at all. C2 it is. E defeats the whole point of this exercise by not shifting MS late enough, and causes everyone else to shift as well. "Ease of communication"? What a horsesh!t justification... "Dear parents, next year Larla's school will be shifting their bell schedule to <X>". Doesn't really matter what X is

c2 is the best option. It gives middle school a late start and reasonable hours for ES and high school.

Are you stupid????? Late start and coming home late is awful for middler schoolers, this is the age where they start getting serious about sports and they need time to decompress between getting home from school and going to practice. Your teeny tiny ES baby's soccer practice is not nearly as important. These are formative years.

Turns out I'm not. American Association of Pediatrics (and many other experts) agree that late start time is healthier and leads to better outcomes for MS-aged students.

I have both ES and MS students. They enjoy sports and learn good values from them (and frankly my MS is becoming less serious about sports and more serious about schoolwork, though they do still participate on teams, one travel sport, one rec sport), but I'm hardly going to disadvantage their academics and overall well-being for the sake of more convenient practice logistics. And FWIW, my "teeny tiny ES baby" is actually bigger than my MS student as fate would have it despite being two years younger, but such is just the randomness of genes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep the current schedule.

Middle schoolers are fine with the current schedule

LOL, no, they're not at all. C2 it is. E defeats the whole point of this exercise by not shifting MS late enough, and causes everyone else to shift as well. "Ease of communication"? What a horsesh!t justification... "Dear parents, next year Larla's school will be shifting their bell schedule to <X>". Doesn't really matter what X is for communication purposes.

E will be chosen as it’s the least disruptive. Everyone will have to compromise by 30 minutes.

Both move HS 30 mins later. C2 keeps SS aligned to HS, E makes it 10 mins later like it is now, whatever, that delta has no material impact on hardly anyone.

C2 and E both move the ES early start time by 30 mins, just in opposite directions. Equally disruptive. The late ES start time only moves 10 mins in C2 vs. 30 mins in E, so C2 slightly less disruptive there.

That leaves MS, which E shifts 30 mins but still isn't in line with American Association of Pediatrics recommendation for 830a (or later) start time for MS. Kinda defeats the whole point of the exercise not to align with AAP's recommendation and do what's best for our kids. But basically I don't see this as being particularly disruptive.

E is also way worse for ES kids getting out so late, and logistically challenging for families who all of a sudden will need before-school SACC... and at many schools there's a multi-year waiting list for that (which would only get longer under E).

They have repeatedly stated in the report that FCPS stated that aligning with the AAP wasn’t one of the criteria they cared about.

They should.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep the current schedule.

Middle schoolers are fine with the current schedule

LOL, no, they're not at all. C2 it is. E defeats the whole point of this exercise by not shifting MS late enough, and causes everyone else to shift as well. "Ease of communication"? What a horsesh!t justification... "Dear parents, next year Larla's school will be shifting their bell schedule to <X>". Doesn't really matter what X is for communication purposes.

E will be chosen as it’s the least disruptive. Everyone will have to compromise by 30 minutes.

It is the most disruptive! Literally that schedule is only good for middle school. Seriously, anyone thinking ES should be going to school till 4:35 and getting home past 5, is insane, especially for middle schoolers to get 30 extra mins of sleep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My middle schooler is now in high school (all honors courses) and did AAP in middle school. They definitely had homework. They also made straight As. If your middle schooler doesn’t have any work, chances are they aren’t in very challenging classes or aren’t taking their classes seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

Middle schoolers don't have homework.

And from 2:15-4:00, they are running around the local shopping plazas causing trouble.

Put middle school times to get out around 4:30.

Mine or any of their friends never did that. Those are the hooligans we don’t associate with.