UVA vs Ga Tech Engineering

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Anonymous wrote:Please ignore the trolls. In Engineering, "prestige" does not matter much at all.

Any ABET accredited E School is fine. Choose the one that is best for for the student - urban/rural, big/small, weather, etc.

ABET is much less meaningful in computer science.

Huh? I guess youre right because its an engineering accreditation but no one mentioned computer science.

Fair enough, but if you look at the thread above, somehow they are doing CS comparisons.

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Anonymous wrote:To the one who said UVA is more prestigious, absolutely not in engineering.

GT is like Ivy League of engineering. UVA is not known for engineering. Indeed, Virginia Tech would be higher status than UVA in engineering.

This isn't how undergrad prestige works, that's why grad schools have subject rankings and undergrad has overall rankings. UVa is simply more prestigious for undergrad...

Undergrad engineering is not like other major/subject areas, which is why they are generally in separate school. They don’t have broad liberal arts requirements - like foreign language, English, philosophy, etc. It’s why engineering programs are different from typical university rankings.

DC is in an engineering program and his courses requirements only included one humanities course. The rest were math, chemistry, computer and physics courses. DC was shocked they didn’t even have to take an English class and happy about skipping a foreign language.

A top 25 school has the same outcomes as T10 engineering schools, that's why I posted the salaries. It has little to do with location because Emory CS grads also make more than GT CS grads. The difference is prestige, the reason GT grads can't get jobs outside the south is because the degree isn't as portable as a UVA or Emory degree. They're more likely to be stuck in the south with lower salaries. This isn't new information. If UVA costs less then it's the obvious choice, if they cost the same it's still the obvious choice.

You are delusional with your UVA boosterism and clearly unfamiliar with engineering. While it is true that on paper most ABET certified engineering schools appear similar, the best schools have much stronger students that allow for a deeper and more comprehensive understanding of the topic. And Georgia Tech gets some of the best engineering students in the country. It as a perennial top 5 program. And there is no comparison with UVA. Even in Virginia, the top STEM students don't go to UVA. And trust me, any West Coast company hiring engineers is going to be far more impressed with a degree from Georgia Tech than one from UVA. This isn't 1980 anymore.

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I actually laughed when I read the PP’s post.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who thing UVA > GA Tech are UVA students or their parents…

The only people that act like this are parents whose kids didn't get in. Ridiculous. Engineering is hard at any school and respected.

We are oos for both VA and GA. I know several eng/cs major kids from a magnet program. They all applied to GA Tech but not UVA. That was not even on their radar. Some even applied to VA Tech, but not UVA.

And. yet, my Aerospace Engineering kid applied to GT, Purdue, and UVA. Got into all three. Picked UVA and was taught by a woman astronaut. She decided after Calc 3 that engineering wasn't for her - not surprising since 80% of all grads change their majors at least once. She moved towards UVA electives she had enjoyed in econ and poli sci and wound up a PPL (politics, pholosophy & law) major. She's now on full scholarship at Oxford and applying to T8 law schools. We joke often "Thank heavens she didn't pick GT" because you don't go there for poli sci. UVA is more prestigious and a better chance for that 80% who may change majors.

I knew this was the UVA booster - same guy who is constantly trumpeting Rhodes scholars, etc. It must really sting to know that no one considers UVA engineering prestigious.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who thing UVA > GA Tech are UVA students or their parents…

The only people that act like this are parents whose kids didn't get in. Ridiculous. Engineering is hard at any school and respected.

We are oos for both VA and GA. I know several eng/cs major kids from a magnet program. They all applied to GA Tech but not UVA. That was not even on their radar. Some even applied to VA Tech, but not UVA.

And. yet, my Aerospace Engineering kid applied to GT, Purdue, and UVA. Got into all three. Picked UVA and was taught by a woman astronaut. She decided after Calc 3 that engineering wasn't for her - not surprising since 80% of all grads change their majors at least once. She moved towards UVA electives she had enjoyed in econ and poli sci and wound up a PPL (politics, pholosophy & law) major. She's now on full scholarship at Oxford and applying to T8 law schools. We joke often "Thank heavens she didn't pick GT" because you don't go there for poli sci. UVA is more prestigious and a better chance for that 80% who may change majors.

No one's arguing that Political Science isn't better at UVA. Georgia Tech wouldn't have been a good fit for this student. But I'm pretty sure 80 percent of Georgia Tech students don't change their major. Most people applying to Georgia Tech know exactly want they want to do. Engineering is totally not a good major for students who are still dabbling with what they want to do. If they drop the major, it's usually freshman year when they are overwhelmed by how difficult it can be.

Actually, the political science / policy studies faculty at Georgia Tech is top notch. Lots of publications and research prestige -- as good as if not better than UVA.

Does that matter much to the undergraduate experience? Perhaps not. Both great schools.

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Many schools notable for “tech” also have excellent liberal arts schools. MIT, VT, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:To the one who said UVA is more prestigious, absolutely not in engineering.

GT is like Ivy League of engineering. UVA is not known for engineering. Indeed, Virginia Tech would be higher status than UVA in engineering.

This isn't how undergrad prestige works, that's why grad schools have subject rankings and undergrad has overall rankings. UVa is simply more prestigious for undergrad...

Undergrad engineering is not like other major/subject areas, which is why they are generally in separate school. They don’t have broad liberal arts requirements - like foreign language, English, philosophy, etc. It’s why engineering programs are different from typical university rankings.

DC is in an engineering program and his courses requirements only included one humanities course. The rest were math, chemistry, computer and physics courses. DC was shocked they didn’t even have to take an English class and happy about skipping a foreign language.

A top 25 school has the same outcomes as T10 engineering schools, that's why I posted the salaries. It has little to do with location because Emory CS grads also make more than GT CS grads. The difference is prestige, the reason GT grads can't get jobs outside the south is because the degree isn't as portable as a UVA or Emory degree. They're more likely to be stuck in the south with lower salaries. This isn't new information. If UVA costs less then it's the obvious choice, if they cost the same it's still the obvious choice.

OMG this "prestige" obsessed poster is so so so so so uneducated about engineering. And resistant to feedback. Listen, Georgia Tech is WORLD FAMOUS in engineering. How many more people need to tell you that? Go tell any engineer that you think "GT grads can't get jobs outside of the south because the degree isn't as portable as UVA or Emory" and watch the smirk on their face, like "WHAAAAAT?"

If it was more prestigious it would show...SOMEWHERE! GT is the lowest ranked of the 3, the lowest salary of the 3 when comparing corresponding majors like CS, and the lowest test scores. But should be considered better for undergrad because the GRAD? Students pump out research? Give me a break. Also Emory is ranked higher than GT globally, which is understood to be an research/grad ranking...
But keep clinging to those niche engineering rankings, it'll soothe your ego.

DP. Undergrad engineering rankings - from multiple sources - have been provided for you already. I didn’t bother to scroll down far enough to find UVA, much less Emory. Emory isn’t even the subject of this thread, so please move along.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate

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Anonymous wrote:To the one who said UVA is more prestigious, absolutely not in engineering.

GT is like Ivy League of engineering. UVA is not known for engineering. Indeed, Virginia Tech would be higher status than UVA in engineering.

This isn't how undergrad prestige works, that's why grad schools have subject rankings and undergrad has overall rankings. UVa is simply more prestigious for undergrad...

Undergrad engineering is not like other major/subject areas, which is why they are generally in separate school. They don’t have broad liberal arts requirements - like foreign language, English, philosophy, etc. It’s why engineering programs are different from typical university rankings.

DC is in an engineering program and his courses requirements only included one humanities course. The rest were math, chemistry, computer and physics courses. DC was shocked they didn’t even have to take an English class and happy about skipping a foreign language.

A top 25 school has the same outcomes as T10 engineering schools, that's why I posted the salaries. It has little to do with location because Emory CS grads also make more than GT CS grads. The difference is prestige, the reason GT grads can't get jobs outside the south is because the degree isn't as portable as a UVA or Emory degree. They're more likely to be stuck in the south with lower salaries. This isn't new information. If UVA costs less then it's the obvious choice, if they cost the same it's still the obvious choice.

OMG this "prestige" obsessed poster is so so so so so uneducated about engineering. And resistant to feedback. Listen, Georgia Tech is WORLD FAMOUS in engineering. How many more people need to tell you that? Go tell any engineer that you think "GT grads can't get jobs outside of the south because the degree isn't as portable as UVA or Emory" and watch the smirk on their face, like "WHAAAAAT?"

If it was more prestigious it would show...SOMEWHERE! GT is the lowest ranked of the 3, the lowest salary of the 3 when comparing corresponding majors like CS, and the lowest test scores. But should be considered better for undergrad because the GRAD? Students pump out research? Give me a break. Also Emory is ranked higher than GT globally, which is understood to be an research/grad ranking...
But keep clinging to those niche engineering rankings, it'll soothe your ego.

Georgia Tech is ranked higher in all USNWR engineering rankings. It is ranked higher in the Times Higher Education World Rankings (15 to 201-250 for UVA), QS World University Ranking, etc. In earnings, Georgia Tech is higher than UVA in fields like Aerospace Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering. On scores, as PP noted, there is a small 10 point difference in SAT, but you are actually comparing a test optional school (UVA) to a test required school (GT).

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This discussion is really comical. UVA boosters are triggered because their school is not “more prestigious” and the Emory booster is triggered because she’s not even part of the conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:To the one who said UVA is more prestigious, absolutely not in engineering.

GT is like Ivy League of engineering. UVA is not known for engineering. Indeed, Virginia Tech would be higher status than UVA in engineering.

This isn't how undergrad prestige works, that's why grad schools have subject rankings and undergrad has overall rankings. UVa is simply more prestigious for undergrad...

Undergrad engineering is not like other major/subject areas, which is why they are generally in separate school. They don’t have broad liberal arts requirements - like foreign language, English, philosophy, etc. It’s why engineering programs are different from typical university rankings.

DC is in an engineering program and his courses requirements only included one humanities course. The rest were math, chemistry, computer and physics courses. DC was shocked they didn’t even have to take an English class and happy about skipping a foreign language.

A top 25 school has the same outcomes as T10 engineering schools, that's why I posted the salaries. It has little to do with location because Emory CS grads also make more than GT CS grads. The difference is prestige, the reason GT grads can't get jobs outside the south is because the degree isn't as portable as a UVA or Emory degree. They're more likely to be stuck in the south with lower salaries. This isn't new information. If UVA costs less then it's the obvious choice, if they cost the same it's still the obvious choice.

Georgia Tech is significantly stronger than both UVA and Emory in computer engineering and engineering overall. UVA is clearly stronger than Emory in computer science and is generally a better institution.

Um no, GT is stronger in engineering it is not more prestigious overall. And also no, Emory is the most prestigious of the 3. Is why when comparing major for major is has the highest salary and highest test scores.
Emory-1500
UVa-1470
Gatech-1440

You are comparing two schools (Emory and UVA) that are test optional with one school (Georgia Tech) that is not. Emory 50th percentile is 1500 SAT, 33 ACT with 42% submitting SAT and 19% ACT. UVA is 1450 SAT and 33 ACT with 50% reporting SAT and 16% ACT. Georgia Tech is 1440 SAT and 32 ACT with 77% reporting SAT and 35% ACT. The Emory scores are perhaps indicative of about 55% of enrolled students, UVA about 59% and Georgia Tech 100%. All things being equal, you would expect Emory to be highest, followed by UVA and Georgia Tech. You could only do an apples to apples comparison if they were all test required.

You're making up numbers? Emory is 61%, and UVa 66%. Regardless Emory had higher test scores when they were test required. Gatech's 25th percentile is still a 28 on the ACT. Emory hasn't been that low since 2008. Not sure about UVA, but likely similar.

How did Emory get included in a discussion of UVA vs Georgia Tech Engineering?

I'm not making up numbers. I am just trying to come to the fairest comparison. A percentage of test optional students will have submitted both SAT and ACT. For test required Georgia Tech, if you add the two together it comes to about 113%. The same very likely applies to Emory and UVA.

Schools report differently in the CDS. It's 61 and 66%.

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Anonymous wrote:To the one who said UVA is more prestigious, absolutely not in engineering.

GT is like Ivy League of engineering. UVA is not known for engineering. Indeed, Virginia Tech would be higher status than UVA in engineering.

This isn't how undergrad prestige works, that's why grad schools have subject rankings and undergrad has overall rankings. UVa is simply more prestigious for undergrad...

Undergrad engineering is not like other major/subject areas, which is why they are generally in separate school. They don’t have broad liberal arts requirements - like foreign language, English, philosophy, etc. It’s why engineering programs are different from typical university rankings.

DC is in an engineering program and his courses requirements only included one humanities course. The rest were math, chemistry, computer and physics courses. DC was shocked they didn’t even have to take an English class and happy about skipping a foreign language.

A top 25 school has the same outcomes as T10 engineering schools, that's why I posted the salaries. It has little to do with location because Emory CS grads also make more than GT CS grads. The difference is prestige, the reason GT grads can't get jobs outside the south is because the degree isn't as portable as a UVA or Emory degree. They're more likely to be stuck in the south with lower salaries. This isn't new information. If UVA costs less then it's the obvious choice, if they cost the same it's still the obvious choice.

Georgia Tech is significantly stronger than both UVA and Emory in computer engineering and engineering overall. UVA is clearly stronger than Emory in computer science and is generally a better institution.

Um no, GT is stronger in engineering it is not more prestigious overall. And also no, Emory is the most prestigious of the 3. Is why when comparing major for major is has the highest salary and highest test scores.
Emory-1500
UVa-1470
Gatech-1440

You are comparing two schools (Emory and UVA) that are test optional with one school (Georgia Tech) that is not. Emory 50th percentile is 1500 SAT, 33 ACT with 42% submitting SAT and 19% ACT. UVA is 1450 SAT and 33 ACT with 50% reporting SAT and 16% ACT. Georgia Tech is 1440 SAT and 32 ACT with 77% reporting SAT and 35% ACT. The Emory scores are perhaps indicative of about 55% of enrolled students, UVA about 59% and Georgia Tech 100%. All things being equal, you would expect Emory to be highest, followed by UVA and Georgia Tech. You could only do an apples to apples comparison if they were all test required.

You're making up numbers? Emory is 61%, and UVa 66%. Regardless Emory had higher test scores when they were test required. Gatech's 25th percentile is still a 28 on the ACT. Emory hasn't been that low since 2008. Not sure about UVA, but likely similar.

How did Emory get included in a discussion of UVA vs Georgia Tech Engineering?

I'm not making up numbers. I am just trying to come to the fairest comparison. A percentage of test optional students will have submitted both SAT and ACT. For test required Georgia Tech, if you add the two together it comes to about 113%. The same very likely applies to Emory and UVA.

Schools report differently in the CDS. It's 61 and 66%.

CDS does not have a percentage for students that reported both SAT and ACT. But we know that students can and do submit more than one because test mandatory schools report over 100%. MIT for instance is 114% (83% SAT + 31% ACT), which means 14% of enrolled students submitted both. The same is true for Georgia Tech (77% SAT + 35% ACT = 112%). This is highly likely to be the case at both Emory and UVA, so the actual percentage of students that submitted one or more standardized test scores is LOWER than 61% or 66% respectively.

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Anyone hear an EA2 Decision from Georgia Tech today?

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Anonymous wrote:Please ignore the trolls. In Engineering, "prestige" does not matter much at all.

Any ABET accredited E School is fine. Choose the one that is best for for the student - urban/rural, big/small, weather, etc.

ABET is much less meaningful in computer science.

Where is ABET meaningful at all?

I feel like there is one DCUM poster that always uses the term.

I gather any school worth $.02 is ABET accredited?

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Anonymous wrote:Please ignore the trolls. In Engineering, "prestige" does not matter much at all.

Any ABET accredited E School is fine. Choose the one that is best for for the student - urban/rural, big/small, weather, etc.

ABET is much less meaningful in computer science.

Where is ABET meaningful at all?

I feel like there is one DCUM poster that always uses the term.

I gather any school worth $.02 is ABET accredited?

Other engineering fields (civil, mechanical, ee). Not CS.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who thing UVA > GA Tech are UVA students or their parents…

The only people that act like this are parents whose kids didn't get in. Ridiculous. Engineering is hard at any school and respected.

We are oos for both VA and GA. I know several eng/cs major kids from a magnet program. They all applied to GA Tech but not UVA. That was not even on their radar. Some even applied to VA Tech, but not UVA.

And. yet, my Aerospace Engineering kid applied to GT, Purdue, and UVA. Got into all three. Picked UVA and was taught by a woman astronaut. She decided after Calc 3 that engineering wasn't for her - not surprising since 80% of all grads change their majors at least once. She moved towards UVA electives she had enjoyed in econ and poli sci and wound up a PPL (politics, pholosophy & law) major. She's now on full scholarship at Oxford and applying to T8 law schools. We joke often "Thank heavens she didn't pick GT" because you don't go there for poli sci. UVA is more prestigious and a better chance for that 80% who may change majors.

No one's arguing that Political Science isn't better at UVA. Georgia Tech wouldn't have been a good fit for this student. But I'm pretty sure 80 percent of Georgia Tech students don't change their major. Most people applying to Georgia Tech know exactly want they want to do. Engineering is totally not a good major for students who are still dabbling with what they want to do. If they drop the major, it's usually freshman year when they are overwhelmed by how difficult it can be.

Actually, the political science / policy studies faculty at Georgia Tech is top notch. Lots of publications and research prestige -- as good as if not better than UVA.

Does that matter much to the undergraduate experience? Perhaps not. Both great schools.

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Many schools notable for “tech” also have excellent liberal arts schools. MIT, VT, etc.

THIS x 100.
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Just go to Michigan. Problem solved.

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Anonymous wrote:Please ignore the trolls. In Engineering, "prestige" does not matter much at all.

Any ABET accredited E School is fine. Choose the one that is best for for the student - urban/rural, big/small, weather, etc.

ABET is much less meaningful in computer science.

Where is ABET meaningful at all?

I feel like there is one DCUM poster that always uses the term.

I gather any school worth $.02 is ABET accredited?

Other engineering fields (civil, mechanical, ee). Not CS.

But who cares about it, I guess is my question?

My kid never researched whether the school to which they applied was ABET accredited and I assume 99% of everyone else doesn’t research that accreditation either.

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Anonymous wrote:Please ignore the trolls. In Engineering, "prestige" does not matter much at all.

Any ABET accredited E School is fine. Choose the one that is best for for the student - urban/rural, big/small, weather, etc.

ABET is much less meaningful in computer science.

Where is ABET meaningful at all?

I feel like there is one DCUM poster that always uses the term.

I gather any school worth $.02 is ABET accredited?

Other engineering fields (civil, mechanical, ee). Not CS.

But who cares about it, I guess is my question?

As a hiring manager, looking at ECE new grads, I totally care.

The Federal civil service also cares for most of the GS-8xx engineering jobs.

It also matters for those seeking a PE license.