UVA vs Ga Tech Engineering

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Anonymous wrote:Please ignore the trolls. In Engineering, "prestige" does not matter much at all.

Any ABET accredited E School is fine. Choose the one that is best for for the student - urban/rural, big/small, weather, etc.

ABET is much less meaningful in computer science.

Where is ABET meaningful at all?

I feel like there is one DCUM poster that always uses the term.

I gather any school worth $.02 is ABET accredited?

Other engineering fields (civil, mechanical, ee). Not CS.

But who cares about it, I guess is my question?

As a hiring manager, looking at ECE new grads, I totally care.

The Federal civil service also cares for most of the GS-8xx engineering jobs.

It also matters for those seeking a PE license.

But is there any school in the top 300 that isn’t ABET accredited?

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Anonymous wrote:To the one who said UVA is more prestigious, absolutely not in engineering.

GT is like Ivy League of engineering. UVA is not known for engineering. Indeed, Virginia Tech would be higher status than UVA in engineering.

This isn't how undergrad prestige works, that's why grad schools have subject rankings and undergrad has overall rankings. UVa is simply more prestigious for undergrad...

Undergrad engineering is not like other major/subject areas, which is why they are generally in separate school. They don’t have broad liberal arts requirements - like foreign language, English, philosophy, etc. It’s why engineering programs are different from typical university rankings.

DC is in an engineering program and his courses requirements only included one humanities course. The rest were math, chemistry, computer and physics courses. DC was shocked they didn’t even have to take an English class and happy about skipping a foreign language.

A top 25 school has the same outcomes as T10 engineering schools, that's why I posted the salaries. It has little to do with location because Emory CS grads also make more than GT CS grads. The difference is prestige, the reason GT grads can't get jobs outside the south is because the degree isn't as portable as a UVA or Emory degree. They're more likely to be stuck in the south with lower salaries. This isn't new information. If UVA costs less then it's the obvious choice, if they cost the same it's still the obvious choice.

Georgia Tech is significantly stronger than both UVA and Emory in computer engineering and engineering overall. UVA is clearly stronger than Emory in computer science and is generally a better institution.

Um no, GT is stronger in engineering it is not more prestigious overall. And also no, Emory is the most prestigious of the 3. Is why when comparing major for major is has the highest salary and highest test scores.
Emory-1500
UVa-1470
Gatech-1440

You are comparing two schools (Emory and UVA) that are test optional with one school (Georgia Tech) that is not. Emory 50th percentile is 1500 SAT, 33 ACT with 42% submitting SAT and 19% ACT. UVA is 1450 SAT and 33 ACT with 50% reporting SAT and 16% ACT. Georgia Tech is 1440 SAT and 32 ACT with 77% reporting SAT and 35% ACT. The Emory scores are perhaps indicative of about 55% of enrolled students, UVA about 59% and Georgia Tech 100%. All things being equal, you would expect Emory to be highest, followed by UVA and Georgia Tech. You could only do an apples to apples comparison if they were all test required.

You're making up numbers? Emory is 61%, and UVa 66%. Regardless Emory had higher test scores when they were test required. Gatech's 25th percentile is still a 28 on the ACT. Emory hasn't been that low since 2008. Not sure about UVA, but likely similar.

How did Emory get included in a discussion of UVA vs Georgia Tech Engineering?

I'm not making up numbers. I am just trying to come to the fairest comparison. A percentage of test optional students will have submitted both SAT and ACT. For test required Georgia Tech, if you add the two together it comes to about 113%. The same very likely applies to Emory and UVA.

Schools report differently in the CDS. It's 61 and 66%.

CDS does not have a percentage for students that reported both SAT and ACT. But we know that students can and do submit more than one because test mandatory schools report over 100%. MIT for instance is 114% (83% SAT + 31% ACT), which means 14% of enrolled students submitted both. The same is true for Georgia Tech (77% SAT + 35% ACT = 112%). This is highly likely to be the case at both Emory and UVA, so the actual percentage of students that submitted one or more standardized test scores is LOWER than 61% or 66% respectively.

https://provost.emory.edu/planning-administration/data/factbook/admissions.html
He's Emory's factbook. Of you do the calculations as you're trying to do you'll get
623 students submitted SAT scores and 572 submitted ACT scores. Thats 1195 out of a class of 1453 or 82.2% submission. Emory takes the highest score thus in actuality it's lower than that at 62%. Same with UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:Please ignore the trolls. In Engineering, "prestige" does not matter much at all.

Any ABET accredited E School is fine. Choose the one that is best for for the student - urban/rural, big/small, weather, etc.

ABET is much less meaningful in computer science.

Where is ABET meaningful at all?

I feel like there is one DCUM poster that always uses the term.

I gather any school worth $.02 is ABET accredited?

Other engineering fields (civil, mechanical, ee). Not CS.

But who cares about it, I guess is my question?

As a hiring manager, looking at ECE new grads, I totally care.

The Federal civil service also cares for most of the GS-8xx engineering jobs.

It also matters for those seeking a PE license.

But is there any school in the top 300 that isn’t ABET accredited?

We ignore rankings so have no idea is in t300. There are some without ABET.

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Anonymous wrote:To the one who said UVA is more prestigious, absolutely not in engineering.

GT is like Ivy League of engineering. UVA is not known for engineering. Indeed, Virginia Tech would be higher status than UVA in engineering.

This isn't how undergrad prestige works, that's why grad schools have subject rankings and undergrad has overall rankings. UVa is simply more prestigious for undergrad...

Undergrad engineering is not like other major/subject areas, which is why they are generally in separate school. They don’t have broad liberal arts requirements - like foreign language, English, philosophy, etc. It’s why engineering programs are different from typical university rankings.

DC is in an engineering program and his courses requirements only included one humanities course. The rest were math, chemistry, computer and physics courses. DC was shocked they didn’t even have to take an English class and happy about skipping a foreign language.

A top 25 school has the same outcomes as T10 engineering schools, that's why I posted the salaries. It has little to do with location because Emory CS grads also make more than GT CS grads. The difference is prestige, the reason GT grads can't get jobs outside the south is because the degree isn't as portable as a UVA or Emory degree. They're more likely to be stuck in the south with lower salaries. This isn't new information. If UVA costs less then it's the obvious choice, if they cost the same it's still the obvious choice.

Georgia Tech is significantly stronger than both UVA and Emory in computer engineering and engineering overall. UVA is clearly stronger than Emory in computer science and is generally a better institution.

Um no, GT is stronger in engineering it is not more prestigious overall. And also no, Emory is the most prestigious of the 3. Is why when comparing major for major is has the highest salary and highest test scores.
Emory-1500
UVa-1470
Gatech-1440

You are comparing two schools (Emory and UVA) that are test optional with one school (Georgia Tech) that is not. Emory 50th percentile is 1500 SAT, 33 ACT with 42% submitting SAT and 19% ACT. UVA is 1450 SAT and 33 ACT with 50% reporting SAT and 16% ACT. Georgia Tech is 1440 SAT and 32 ACT with 77% reporting SAT and 35% ACT. The Emory scores are perhaps indicative of about 55% of enrolled students, UVA about 59% and Georgia Tech 100%. All things being equal, you would expect Emory to be highest, followed by UVA and Georgia Tech. You could only do an apples to apples comparison if they were all test required.

You're making up numbers? Emory is 61%, and UVa 66%. Regardless Emory had higher test scores when they were test required. Gatech's 25th percentile is still a 28 on the ACT. Emory hasn't been that low since 2008. Not sure about UVA, but likely similar.

How did Emory get included in a discussion of UVA vs Georgia Tech Engineering?

I'm not making up numbers. I am just trying to come to the fairest comparison. A percentage of test optional students will have submitted both SAT and ACT. For test required Georgia Tech, if you add the two together it comes to about 113%. The same very likely applies to Emory and UVA.

Schools report differently in the CDS. It's 61 and 66%.

CDS does not have a percentage for students that reported both SAT and ACT. But we know that students can and do submit more than one because test mandatory schools report over 100%. MIT for instance is 114% (83% SAT + 31% ACT), which means 14% of enrolled students submitted both. The same is true for Georgia Tech (77% SAT + 35% ACT = 112%). This is highly likely to be the case at both Emory and UVA, so the actual percentage of students that submitted one or more standardized test scores is LOWER than 61% or 66% respectively.

https://provost.emory.edu/planning-administration/data/factbook/admissions.html
He's Emory's factbook. Of you do the calculations as you're trying to do you'll get
623 students submitted SAT scores and 572 submitted ACT scores. Thats 1195 out of a class of 1453 or 82.2% submission. Emory takes the highest score thus in actuality it's lower than that at 62%. Same with UVA.

I used common data sets for all three for the same year for all for an apples-to-apples comparison.

https://provost.emory.edu/planning-administration/_includes/documents/sections/institutional-data/Emory-Common-Data-Set-2023-2024.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Just go to Michigan. Problem solved.

What problem? Cheating at football?

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Anonymous wrote:anyone surprised that GA Tech beat Caltech in US News Rankings? or UVA beat Yale for Engineering?

GT is not better academically than caltech. Total BS. Usnews is not a ranking academic quality. It used to be, more or less looking at tiers not exact rank, but now they have schools with very average students ranked in the T30. Grad rankings have similar flaws. Use the QS plus US news 30yr average rankings from 1993-2023 and it is clear how schools rank in academics

QS rankings lost credibility for me when it ranked Imperial college ahead of Oxbridge because Imperial college has a higher sustainability (related to global warming) score and higher "global engagement" (ore international students and faculty). These seem like really stupid reasons to put imperial college ahead of oxbridge.

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Anonymous wrote:anyone surprised that GA Tech beat Caltech in US News Rankings? or UVA beat Yale for Engineering?

GT is not better academically than caltech. Total BS. Usnews is not a ranking academic quality. It used to be, more or less looking at tiers not exact rank, but now they have schools with very average students ranked in the T30. Grad rankings have similar flaws. Use the QS plus US news 30yr average rankings from 1993-2023 and it is clear how schools rank in academics

QS rankings lost credibility for me when it ranked Imperial college ahead of Oxbridge because Imperial college has a higher sustainability (related to global warming) score and higher "global engagement" (ore international students and faculty). These seem like really stupid reasons to put imperial college ahead of oxbridge.

I think all of the rankings are putting fingers on the scale.