New curriculum = no homework?

[Anonymous]

It is an equity issue. If kids have homework, those that are privileged and can do it will learn more than those who can’t do homework for whatever reason (working, taking care of younger siblings, etc.)

Education has gone from attempting to get everyone to perform at their highest level to getting everyone to the level of the lowest common denominator.

In a few more years FCPS will be performing at their highest level level of Baltimore city schools.

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Anonymous wrote:This push for homework is pretty crazy. Kids don't need it, and if ppl say ot prepared them for tons in MS and HS, my question is why should they get tons at all?

Kids do need homework. In grade school, homework teaches children to manage their time and to manage their homework, to remember to bring it home and then bring it to school and turn it in. It also teaches them concepts/gives them practice. In middle and high school, homework gives practice of concepts that they learn in class.

Kids who play a sport, play an instrument, or have a hobby know that the more time you put in, the more lessons or classes you take, the more practice you do, the better you are. But somehow we don't apply that thought to homework anymore. And academically, it shows.

Homework is how I got out of a working class family and into college. The repetition/reinforcement provided by homework made all the difference both in learning and in school grades. Cancelling homework is really a way to trap people into the working class. Well off families still will supplement for their kids outside school, but working class families cannot afford to supplement (because working class parents have to focus on basics - having food, clothing, and shelter). That said, it IS important that homework be corrected & returned to the students, and also important that homework NOT be a significant part of any student’s grade.

This is why it's so sad that teachers are held to higher standard at wealthier schools. There they have to give homework and maintain reasonable standards of rigor or the parents revolt. In working class areas of the county we get no homework, because, I guess, some kids might not do it?

Some of the high socio economic schools banned homework as well.

+1. Sometimes high socio-economic families want their kids to be doing other enrichment (or free ranging, depending on the family) during that time. Also sometimes teachers just don't want to grade homework. I'm not calling all teachers lazy or anything - but I've literally been told that by multiple teachers across one grade at our elementary.

Grading homework isn’t necessary. Kids come to class and go over answers first thing with teacher. Challenging problems are worked out together as a class. It takes very little time to do this. If it’s a grade, it’s just graded for completion and a small percentage of overall grade.

It takes longer than you think this is not a five minute process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you want homework, ask the teacher what the upcoming concepts being taught will be, and find a workbook and make your kid do it. This can be handled at home if it's important to you.

Good approach for middle class families. Totally impossible in most working class families - and lots of working class families care deeply about education as their best chance to get their kids into the middle class.

This is why assigning homework - but NOT having it be a significant part of the grade - is so desperately important for working class families.

If these working class families care deeply about education, then they can find 5 minutes to pull some questions down off the Internet. Or respond to a text message from the teacher or sign a permission slip.

If they’re too busy to do those things and they won’t be able to help their kids with homework. That’s the equity issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you want homework, ask the teacher what the upcoming concepts being taught will be, and find a workbook and make your kid do it. This can be handled at home if it's important to you.

Good approach for middle class families. Totally impossible in most working class families - and lots of working class families care deeply about education as their best chance to get their kids into the middle class.

This is why assigning homework - but NOT having it be a significant part of the grade - is so desperately important for working class families.

If there is no grade, most kids don’t do it.

+1 million!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This push for homework is pretty crazy. Kids don't need it, and if ppl say ot prepared them for tons in MS and HS, my question is why should they get tons at all?

Kids do need homework. In grade school, homework teaches children to manage their time and to manage their homework, to remember to bring it home and then bring it to school and turn it in. It also teaches them concepts/gives them practice. In middle and high school, homework gives practice of concepts that they learn in class.

Kids who play a sport, play an instrument, or have a hobby know that the more time you put in, the more lessons or classes you take, the more practice you do, the better you are. But somehow we don't apply that thought to homework anymore. And academically, it shows.

Homework is how I got out of a working class family and into college. The repetition/reinforcement provided by homework made all the difference both in learning and in school grades. Cancelling homework is really a way to trap people into the working class. Well off families still will supplement for their kids outside school, but working class families cannot afford to supplement (because working class parents have to focus on basics - having food, clothing, and shelter). That said, it IS important that homework be corrected & returned to the students, and also important that homework NOT be a significant part of any student’s grade.

This is why it's so sad that teachers are held to higher standard at wealthier schools. There they have to give homework and maintain reasonable standards of rigor or the parents revolt. In working class areas of the county we get no homework, because, I guess, some kids might not do it?

Some of the high socio economic schools banned homework as well.

+1. Sometimes high socio-economic families want their kids to be doing other enrichment (or free ranging, depending on the family) during that time. Also sometimes teachers just don't want to grade homework. I'm not calling all teachers lazy or anything - but I've literally been told that by multiple teachers across one grade at our elementary.

Grading homework isn’t necessary. Kids come to class and go over answers first thing with teacher. Challenging problems are worked out together as a class. It takes very little time to do this. If it’s a grade, it’s just graded for completion and a small percentage of overall grade.

It takes longer than you think this is not a five minute process.

In a block schedule in middle school, there's a lot of extra time in each class. But still no homework.

[Anonymous]

I don't actually care about homework specifically. But it's the lack of homework,. combined with no textbooks, combined with no physical, marked tests coming home that all point to one thing: lowered expectations and an effort to remove parents from the equation. This is not something well-funded, high achieving districts do.

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't actually care about homework specifically. But it's the lack of homework,. combined with no textbooks, combined with no physical, marked tests coming home that all point to one thing: lowered expectations and an effort to remove parents from the equation. This is not something well-funded, high achieving districts do.

The former head of the DNC and former VA Governor, Terry McAuliffe, specifically stated he wants parents removed entirely from public education.

It’s no mystery where the effort to remove parents and lower standards is coming from: progressive democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

Researchers look at time spent on homework and test scores. The anomaly with ES may be that struggling readers take longer to read so they spend longer on homework than other students and may be given supplemental material as remedial work. These latter factors boost the time spent on homework but are linked to a struggling student with low test scores, hence impacting the overall homework-achievement correlation. By MS, most students have learned to read and homework becomes more broad-based across subjects so this distortion fades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want homework, ask the teacher what the upcoming concepts being taught will be, and find a workbook and make your kid do it. This can be handled at home if it's important to you.

Good approach for middle class families. Totally impossible in most working class families - and lots of working class families care deeply about education as their best chance to get their kids into the middle class.

This is why assigning homework - but NOT having it be a significant part of the grade - is so desperately important for working class families.

If these working class families care deeply about education, then they can find 5 minutes to pull some questions down off the Internet. Or respond to a text message from the teacher or sign a permission slip.

If they’re too busy to do those things and they won’t be able to help their kids with homework. That’s the equity issue.

That response is silly and totally misses the point in the text it quotes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I'm curious what other parents in FCPS are experiencing.

My 5th grader has not received homework all year. I have not seen a single written assignment come home. When we requested textbooks/worksheets to help her study, we were told that was not possible due to the new curriculum being implemented this year.

Is this the new normal? And is it county-wide? I feel like I have no idea what is going on in the classroom and no ability to support my kid where she is struggling.

The current all-democrat School Board and Superintendent Reid believe:

- homework is racist.

No, I am not joking. They seriously believe this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.