New curriculum = no homework?

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Anonymous wrote:Make one class per week one hour in duration to accommodate testing but keep other classes at 45 minutes. Students can't maintain focus for the length of the block periods which is why they have them do homework in class.

Besides for the fact that that schedule would never work logistically, that doesn’t exactly work for the students that get the “time and a half” accommodation.

Some private schools do follow the schedule noted above.

Then you work out an alternate solution for students needing "time and a half". Putting the majority of students (who don't need extra time) into blocks with less instruction is a sub-optimal solution.

Do those private schools have the same numbers (total students as well as IEP students)? No. It’s easy to solve these problems on a small scale.

If a subset of students needs additional time, find a solution for them. You don't change the schedule and reduce instructional time for all students to address an issue that does not affect the majority of students.

Aw you familiar with the laws regarding special education? I suspect not.

Special education laws do not require block scheduling nor cancellation of homework. That is an FCPS decision. There are many school districts in the US that do not use block scheduling and do assign homework.

But that is what FCPS has chosen. Take it or leave it.

And it can be changed.

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Anonymous wrote:Make one class per week one hour in duration to accommodate testing but keep other classes at 45 minutes. Students can't maintain focus for the length of the block periods which is why they have them do homework in class.

Besides for the fact that that schedule would never work logistically, that doesn’t exactly work for the students that get the “time and a half” accommodation.

Some private schools do follow the schedule noted above.

Then you work out an alternate solution for students needing "time and a half". Putting the majority of students (who don't need extra time) into blocks with less instruction is a sub-optimal solution.

Do those private schools have the same numbers (total students as well as IEP students)? No. It’s easy to solve these problems on a small scale.

If a subset of students needs additional time, find a solution for them. You don't change the schedule and reduce instructional time for all students to address an issue that does not affect the majority of students.

Aw you familiar with the laws regarding special education? I suspect not.

Special education laws do not require block scheduling nor cancellation of homework. That is an FCPS decision. There are many school districts in the US that do not use block scheduling and do assign homework.

But that is what FCPS has chosen. Take it or leave it.

And it can be changed.

It can be, but there are zero plans to do that in the coming future. They’re not gonna come up with alternative schedules for thousands of students with iEPs. It doesn’t make any sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

How long do you think reviewing homework takes in class?
Do you think the students that don’t do the homework just sit there quietly the whole entire time?
Is it possible that the schools cover more standards than they did when you’re in school?

The average reading score for 13-year-olds was significantly lower in 2023 than in 2020, continuing a decline that began in 2012.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/blog/pandemic_performance_declines_across_racial_and_ethnic_groups.aspx

back to the basics, yo

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not currently teaching in FCPS, but in a previous district I taught in, we were discouraged from assigning homework, to include finishing work started in class, because it was an equity issue since not all students have the same supports available at home. If we did assign homework, it could take no longer than 15 minutes, which was hard to do since the time required to complete work varies so much with each student. This may the reason for lack of homework in some schools?

This is the reason.

I was told that kids in general classes won’t do homework so let them do it in class. Honors/AP students will do homework. Our FCPS school stopped giving homework to honors/AP students a few years ago when they switched to SBG. Occasionally, my kid has a project due that requires extra work. No finals at this school; it’s usually a group project.

This is all about equity. But this is not what happens in private schools so your kid goes to college and is not as prepared. The kid can still succeed but is at a disadvantage compared to the private school kid and may not go as far.

Correct.

Banning homework and Skills Based Grading (SBG) are both racial equity and ses-equity, driven issues.

It should not have taken 5 pages just to establish the fact that:

no homework = racial equity scheme by FCPS.

This is exactly what's going on. We got to see it happen as the poverty increased at our school - homework, science fairs, people fairs, talent shows, etc. cancelled and replaced with "family science night" or nothing at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

How long do you think reviewing homework takes in class?
Do you think the students that don’t do the homework just sit there quietly the whole entire time?
Is it possible that the schools cover more standards than they did when you’re in school?

The average reading score for 13-year-olds was significantly lower in 2023 than in 2020, continuing a decline that began in 2012.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/blog/pandemic_performance_declines_across_racial_and_ethnic_groups.aspx

back to the basics, yo

That decline began right as teens (and now kids) started getting smartphones. Not a coincidence.

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

How long do you think reviewing homework takes in class?
Do you think the students that don’t do the homework just sit there quietly the whole entire time?
Is it possible that the schools cover more standards than they did when you’re in school?

The average reading score for 13-year-olds was significantly lower in 2023 than in 2020, continuing a decline that began in 2012.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/blog/pandemic_performance_declines_across_racial_and_ethnic_groups.aspx

back to the basics, yo

That decline began right as teens (and now kids) started getting smartphones. Not a coincidence.

Give them so much homework that had to be written by hand so they don't have time to use them :p

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

How long do you think reviewing homework takes in class?
Do you think the students that don’t do the homework just sit there quietly the whole entire time?
Is it possible that the schools cover more standards than they did when you’re in school?

The average reading score for 13-year-olds was significantly lower in 2023 than in 2020, continuing a decline that began in 2012.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/blog/pandemic_performance_declines_across_racial_and_ethnic_groups.aspx

back to the basics, yo

That decline began right as teens (and now kids) started getting smartphones. Not a coincidence.

Give them so much homework that had to be written by hand so they don't have time to use them :p

8 hours of homework a day is unlikely. They’ll find time to be on their phones.

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

How long do you think reviewing homework takes in class?
Do you think the students that don’t do the homework just sit there quietly the whole entire time?
Is it possible that the schools cover more standards than they did when you’re in school?

The average reading score for 13-year-olds was significantly lower in 2023 than in 2020, continuing a decline that began in 2012.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/blog/pandemic_performance_declines_across_racial_and_ethnic_groups.aspx

back to the basics, yo

That decline began right as teens (and now kids) started getting smartphones. Not a coincidence.

Now line up Lucy Calkins/Units of Study becoming popular and add 8 years to that date. See an impact?

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

How long do you think reviewing homework takes in class?
Do you think the students that don’t do the homework just sit there quietly the whole entire time?
Is it possible that the schools cover more standards than they did when you’re in school?

The average reading score for 13-year-olds was significantly lower in 2023 than in 2020, continuing a decline that began in 2012.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/blog/pandemic_performance_declines_across_racial_and_ethnic_groups.aspx

back to the basics, yo

That decline began right as teens (and now kids) started getting smartphones. Not a coincidence.

Now line up Lucy Calkins/Units of Study becoming popular and add 8 years to that date. See an impact?

What about all the districts that didn’t use her material?

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

How long do you think reviewing homework takes in class?
Do you think the students that don’t do the homework just sit there quietly the whole entire time?
Is it possible that the schools cover more standards than they did when you’re in school?

The average reading score for 13-year-olds was significantly lower in 2023 than in 2020, continuing a decline that began in 2012.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/blog/pandemic_performance_declines_across_racial_and_ethnic_groups.aspx

back to the basics, yo

That decline began right as teens (and now kids) started getting smartphones. Not a coincidence.

Now line up Lucy Calkins/Units of Study becoming popular and add 8 years to that date. See an impact?

What about all the districts that didn’t use her material?

What districts are those? She or Fountas and Pinell were so widespread it would be hard to find one.

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

How long do you think reviewing homework takes in class?
Do you think the students that don’t do the homework just sit there quietly the whole entire time?
Is it possible that the schools cover more standards than they did when you’re in school?

The average reading score for 13-year-olds was significantly lower in 2023 than in 2020, continuing a decline that began in 2012.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/blog/pandemic_performance_declines_across_racial_and_ethnic_groups.aspx

back to the basics, yo

That decline began right as teens (and now kids) started getting smartphones. Not a coincidence.

Now line up Lucy Calkins/Units of Study becoming popular and add 8 years to that date. See an impact?

What about all the districts that didn’t use her material?

What districts are those? She or Fountas and Pinell were so widespread it would be hard to find one.

Many local privates, including several “top” metro DC privates, also used Calkins and/or F&P for reading.
FCPS is guilty, but is not alone in its guilt about this.