New curriculum = no homework?

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Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Requiring parents to buy to pay for reinforcement is a good way to ensure working class kids do not get a fair break.

Assigning homework, correcting it, returned the corrected version, but not having homework count much for the final grade is how to help bright diligent working class kids get to college.

Mind, the FCPS School Board is "no action, talk only" about having a level playing field, so we can be confident that will not happen here. Sigh.

Teachers already work too much, they’ll not going to correct/grade optional work.

What job requirements/responsibilities should be scaled back so that teachers do have the time to review homework?

When I was in school teacher would walk around the room to spot check we all did it then we would run down the answers and go over a few examples in class. It was a normal follow up to the prior day’s lesson and handled during the day.

Many teachers would love to go back to those old days, so much is different now.

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

[Anonymous]

Mathspace is not the answer. not everyone has Internet and a computer at home. Separately, any electronic screen will be too distracting. Studies have shown that practice using pencil and paper is more effective for elementary student learning.

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

How long do you think reviewing homework takes in class?
Do you think the students that don’t do the homework just sit there quietly the whole entire time?
Is it possible that the schools cover more standards than they did when you’re in school?

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

Why replace whatever classroom instruction would be happening at that time with hw review? Wouldn’t it be better to use that time to actually see how the students completing the work in class?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Teachers know the material covered in class that day and can best tailor the homework to reinforce the concept. Students are also more amenable to doing homework assigned by school rather than by parents. Lastly, with all the focus on equity, why do we want to make homework something that needs to be purchased by parents as opposed to provided by school?

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Just get a workbook is NOT the answer.

Neither is giving teachers more work.

I’m not talking about a ton of new outside of class work. I posted that review of HW was something we just did in class. Why can’t that model work still?

Why replace whatever classroom instruction would be happening at that time with hw review? Wouldn’t it be better to use that time to actually see how the students completing the work in class?

Yes. I’ve been a teacher when we did homework review in class and still am a teacher now. The students (a small group) who are confused either don’t do the homework or get everything wrong. We can’t go over every problem with them, so we’d pick 1 or 2. And it’s time wasted for the kids who do the homework and got everything correct.

It’s better to work with all the students in class while they are working. This is also time that is better spent working with those other students individually versus whole group review of an assignment that only 50% of the kids did.

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Using class time for doing homework reduces instructional time.

It is also good to have homework occur later in the day as a way to reinforce concepts and provide additional practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Using class time for doing homework reduces instructional time.

It is also good to have homework occur later in the day as a way to reinforce concepts and provide additional practice.

If you do it in class, it’s called classwork and that’s currently what occurs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Using class time for doing homework reduces instructional time.

It is also good to have homework occur later in the day as a way to reinforce concepts and provide additional practice.

If you do it in class, it’s called classwork and that’s currently what occurs.

Yes, that is the current approach. Displacing instruction for homework (classwork) may be a reason why students' standardized test scores are weak.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Using class time for doing homework reduces instructional time.

It is also good to have homework occur later in the day as a way to reinforce concepts and provide additional practice.

If you do it in class, it’s called classwork and that’s currently what occurs.

Yes, that is the current approach. Displacing instruction for homework (classwork) may be a reason why students' standardized test scores are weak.

The positive and negative effects of homework have been proven to cancel each other out. Homework is not returning to FCPS anytime soon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Using class time for doing homework reduces instructional time.

It is also good to have homework occur later in the day as a way to reinforce concepts and provide additional practice.

If you do it in class, it’s called classwork and that’s currently what occurs.

Yes, that is the current approach. Displacing instruction for homework (classwork) may be a reason why students' standardized test scores are weak.

My kid went to private school where his classes were 45 minutes. I was surprised to see that many public schools have 90 minute classes but every other day. Maybe they should switch since the kids have shorter attention spans. I'd be pretty pissed if the teachers stopped teaching so kids could do HW every day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Using class time for doing homework reduces instructional time.

It is also good to have homework occur later in the day as a way to reinforce concepts and provide additional practice.

If you do it in class, it’s called classwork and that’s currently what occurs.

Yes, that is the current approach. Displacing instruction for homework (classwork) may be a reason why students' standardized test scores are weak.

The positive and negative effects of homework have been proven to cancel each other out. Homework is not returning to FCPS anytime soon.

No. Research shows homework does have beneficial effects on achievement in MS and HS. It is less clear in ES but that may be because struggling readers take longer to do their homework and are given remedial homework assignments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Using class time for doing homework reduces instructional time.

It is also good to have homework occur later in the day as a way to reinforce concepts and provide additional practice.

If you do it in class, it’s called classwork and that’s currently what occurs.

Yes, that is the current approach. Displacing instruction for homework (classwork) may be a reason why students' standardized test scores are weak.

My kid went to private school where his classes were 45 minutes. I was surprised to see that many public schools have 90 minute classes but every other day. Maybe they should switch since the kids have shorter attention spans. I'd be pretty pissed if the teachers stopped teaching so kids could do HW every day.

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Anonymous wrote:Homework improves learning:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1228867.page

Why is FCPS abandoning a practice which has been proven to improve student's learning? (it is not difficult to figure out)

It has been proven to NOT improve learning.

The general consensus is that homework does correlate with achievement in middle and high school. Results are less clear for elementary, however, that may be influenced by the fact that struggling readers are assigned additional homework.

Makes zero sense to me how extra practice could NOT be beneficial for ES kids. There must be some other things going on with these studies as they just does not make sense.

It’s not beneficial if they are doing the extra practice incorrectly.

Is it likely that they would do every single homework assignment incorrectly?

Is that really your objection or are you just trolling? Do you have kids? Have you ever done anything yourself in your own life? Some of it will be wrong and some of it will be right. That's how you learn.

It wasn’t an objection, but rather a reply to the question that extra practice could “NOT be beneficial”.

For example, if a third grader has 15 division problems for hw and does all 15 incorrectly (which is very realistic if they don’t understand the process), then that student has just further cemented their misunderstanding and an incorrect way of doing the math.

DP Teachers can provide an answer key which alerts students (and family/others at home) that the student is on the wrong track. Also, for third grade division, much of the homework could be checked with flashcards, assuming the school provided these to students.

Or they just copy down the answers and show their parents and teachers that they got everything correct… it happens all the time.

In that case, homework does those students no good or harm. But, other students will do the homework and benefit. So, on net, it's beneficial to assign homework to the class.

Or the parents could buy a workbook, that works too.

Requiring parents to buy to pay for reinforcement is a good way to ensure working class kids do not get a fair break.

Assigning homework, correcting it, returned the corrected version, but not having homework count much for the final grade is how to help bright diligent working class kids get to college.

Mind, the FCPS School Board is "no action, talk only" about having a level playing field, so we can be confident that will not happen here. Sigh.

Teachers already work too much, they’ll not going to correct/grade optional work.

What job requirements/responsibilities should be scaled back so that teachers do have the time to review homework?

Read this thread for the answer to that question. Also, consider that the people teachers are complaining about on this thread are also the people making the decisions re: homework policy:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1245093.page