CNBC host stunned from a panel of Michigan voters

[Anonymous]

How long have we heard that trump made the US an embarrassment and unreliable partner internationally?

And yet democrats have made it even worse by blindly supporting Israel’s genocide

We are a pariah nation now. The only country standing and funding and helping with Israel’s genocide

Democrats are idiots

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:On Monday the Harris campaign kicked a local Muslim leader out of one of her rallies. They didn't offer an explanation for his removal. He had an invitation and was simply sitting in his seat when he was asked to leave:

https://www.metrotimes.com/news/detroit-muslim-leader-ejected-from-kamala-harris-rally-deepening-rift-between-democrats-and-arab-americans-37670193

Then they sent Richie Torres to Michigan to brag that the campaign hadn't made any compromises to Arabs in Michigan in order to get them to vote for Harris.

I am not sure that the Harris campaign understand how many Arab-Americans in Michigan have roots in southern Lebanon. As bad as things were because of Gaza, they have gotten exponentially worse. I have always thought that Harris would win this election and win it easily. But, if she loses, it will because of their treatment of Arab and Muslim Americans and that is completely self-inflicted.

This, exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NBC host Yasmin Vossoughian asked a group of Michigan voter if any will vote for Kamala, none raised their hands.

The genocide in Gaza and Lebanon was their key issue. They felt marganlized and demunized by Biden adminstration.

Many of the panelists said they will vote for Jill Stein. Her support is bigger than polls indicate.

This presentation of the panel is odd. The host isn't "stunned"; she reacts exactly like she does when one person says they're voting for Trump. I have no idea how representative these voters are, but the "HOST IS STUNNED" framing is silly.

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/lebanese-american-voters-in-michigan-say-they-feel-neglected-by-biden-and-harris-222143557582

During Trump's presidency, the Israel-Palestine and Israel-Lebanon conflicts were more controlled, with fewer large-scale escalations. His strong pro-Israel stance, like moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, sparked tensions but didn’t lead to the massive violence seen under Biden. Trump brokered the Abraham Accords, normalizing relations between Israel and Arab nations, and consistently vowed to end "endless wars."

Under Biden-Harris, the conflict has intensified, most notably with the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack on Israel, which resulted in over 1,400 Israeli deaths and a devastating military response in Gaza. This followed the May 2021 conflict, highlighting the growing instability.

Interestingly, while many Middle Eastern communities in the U.S. may not like Trump personally, they do appreciate his stance on ending wars—something Biden-Harris hasn’t committed to as strongly, especially as violence escalates in the region.

How will Trump solve the Israel-Palestine war or the Russian-Ukrainian war? What's his plans?

Leverage. He has leverage over Netanyahu, namely his curious friendship to other fellow Me autocrats like Erdogan, MBS, and Sisi and of course, the real wild card Vladimir Putin who is not only Pro Hamas but may have been a major sponsor of 10/7 per
Some Intelligence reports. On the personal side, He has two son in laws now that are Arab and Jewish.

That’s lots by way of personal ties and ties from the past administration with these let’s face it chauvinist leaders.

Kamala doesn’t have any ties with anyone, has largely been combative or tense already with Netanyahu. There’s no way Netanyahu will listen to a thing America says if she’s in charge.

Nobody’s saying Trumps a bleeding heart liberal or great guy (he’s not) but by virtue of personal and professional ties that run the gamut from Turks, Russians, Israelis, Gulf Arabs there is large reason to believe he’ll be more stable for the ME overall. After all, the ME was relatively quiet during his term and he’s the one that engineered the Afghanistan pullout and end of the war in Syria which of course largely pissed off Big Defense here in the US

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NBC host Yasmin Vossoughian asked a group of Michigan voter if any will vote for Kamala, none raised their hands.

The genocide in Gaza and Lebanon was their key issue. They felt marganlized and demunized by Biden adminstration.

Many of the panelists said they will vote for Jill Stein. Her support is bigger than polls indicate.

This presentation of the panel is odd. The host isn't "stunned"; she reacts exactly like she does when one person says they're voting for Trump. I have no idea how representative these voters are, but the "HOST IS STUNNED" framing is silly.

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/lebanese-american-voters-in-michigan-say-they-feel-neglected-by-biden-and-harris-222143557582

During Trump's presidency, the Israel-Palestine and Israel-Lebanon conflicts were more controlled, with fewer large-scale escalations. His strong pro-Israel stance, like moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, sparked tensions but didn’t lead to the massive violence seen under Biden. Trump brokered the Abraham Accords, normalizing relations between Israel and Arab nations, and consistently vowed to end "endless wars."

Under Biden-Harris, the conflict has intensified, most notably with the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack on Israel, which resulted in over 1,400 Israeli deaths and a devastating military response in Gaza. This followed the May 2021 conflict, highlighting the growing instability.

Interestingly, while many Middle Eastern communities in the U.S. may not like Trump personally, they do appreciate his stance on ending wars—something Biden-Harris hasn’t committed to as strongly, especially as violence escalates in the region.

You didn't mention the Palestinian deaths.

Sad if anyone here believes Trump gives two shits about Palestinian deaths. Let's be clear, Stein isn't about getting Stein elected. The Stein campaign knows she is unelectable. The whole point of her campaign is to get Trump elected.

Maybe he’s made her a Cabinet promise. Are Arabs supposed to rally around a Kamala Harris/Liz Cheney White House?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:On Monday the Harris campaign kicked a local Muslim leader out of one of her rallies. They didn't offer an explanation for his removal. He had an invitation and was simply sitting in his seat when he was asked to leave:

https://www.metrotimes.com/news/detroit-muslim-leader-ejected-from-kamala-harris-rally-deepening-rift-between-democrats-and-arab-americans-37670193

Then they sent Richie Torres to Michigan to brag that the campaign hadn't made any compromises to Arabs in Michigan in order to get them to vote for Harris.

I am not sure that the Harris campaign understand how many Arab-Americans in Michigan have roots in southern Lebanon. As bad as things were because of Gaza, they have gotten exponentially worse. I have always thought that Harris would win this election and win it easily. But, if she loses, it will because of their treatment of Arab and Muslim Americans and that is completely self-inflicted.

SE Michigan resident here. Ahmed Ghanim, the man removed from Harris's rally, had an unsuccessful run during the Democratic primary and is a hardcore Jill Stein supporter. While it was a seriously bad move of the Harris campaign to eject him from the event, there is talk that Ghanim was not actually invited to the event and was using the invitation from someone else. Another rumor was that he was planning on creating a disruption. Not sure how true these are, but going with the narrative that Ghanim was a Harris supporter that was kicked out for being Muslim is not exactly true either.

As for the Arabic population in the Detroit metro, it's not completely surprising to hear this response from MSBNC however, the Arabic population has never been an ardent supporter of the Democratic party. What the media and most people aren't aware is that the Arabic population is vary diverse in Michigan and includes a significant population that is Catholic and traditionally been conservative and is very anti-abortion. In addition, Muslims have been aligning with republicans on social issues, such as book bans and is not very welcoming of LGBTQ+ people. See an example here: https://michiganadvance.com/2023/10/03/how-some-michigan-muslims-united-with-extremist-republicans-against-lgbtq-rights/

Moreover, there is a significant Jewish population throughout the state that is more aligned with Harris. The Harris campaign probably realizes that they will make more headway with these voters, their base in Detroit and Flint, and swing voters in areas like Grand Rapids.

This is so typical of the response from mainstream Democrats. There is a rumor of this and a rumor of that. Did they seriously kick this guy out because of rumors? Let's say he was going to stage a protest — something for which there is no evidence — can Harris seriously not handle that? In fact, a skilled politician could use that as an opportunity to speak to the issue.

It is simply not true that there have not been large numbers of ardent Democrats among the Arabs in Michigan. I used to do political organizing among Arab Americans and there was huge support among Muslims and Arabs from that area for Democrats. It's not a coincidence that is where Rashida Tlaib comes from.

At any rate, Democrats need to make up their mind. Either the Arabs don't matter, in which case there is no need or hang-wringing threads such as this. Or they do matter, in which cases someone should tell the Harris campaign. Either way, don't blame Arab Americans for not supporting Harris.

Agree 1000% with the bolded. There are some conservatives but many Democrat supporters.

[Anonymous]

Trump isn't going to solve anything. He's going to make it worse.

But we owe nothing to the Democratic party that has continued to support genocide.

[Anonymous]

Interesting, so Lebanese voters will become a Republican voting bloc like the Cubans while the Democrats get saddled with the Gaza drama and no extra votes from it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement of democrats is astounding. Racial politics at its finest.

Republicans feel entitled to control women’s bodies- that is much much worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting, so Lebanese voters will become a Republican voting bloc like the Cubans while the Democrats get saddled with the Gaza drama and no extra votes from it.

I don't think it means they'll vote Republican.

[Anonymous]

Gazan men rounded up, bound, almost fully naked, forced to chant in condemnation of Hamas

Go Zionism. So glad we fund this. Makes us a better nation in the worlds eyes

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/s/NGR68QyCvK

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting, so Lebanese voters will become a Republican voting bloc like the Cubans while the Democrats get saddled with the Gaza drama and no extra votes from it.

Doesn't mean they're Republican voters. Some people have principles. The lesser of two evils is still evil. Tens or hundreds of thousands simply won't vote or vote third party. In tight swings like MI and PA, every bloc matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement of democrats is astounding. Racial politics at its finest.

Republicans feel entitled to control women’s bodies- that is much much worse.

Good thing there are more choices than republican or democrat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NBC host Yasmin Vossoughian asked a group of Michigan voter if any will vote for Kamala, none raised their hands.

The genocide in Gaza and Lebanon was their key issue. They felt marganlized and demunized by Biden adminstration.

Many of the panelists said they will vote for Jill Stein. Her support is bigger than polls indicate.

Note to NBC: never ask a question you don't want the answer to.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:On Monday the Harris campaign kicked a local Muslim leader out of one of her rallies. They didn't offer an explanation for his removal. He had an invitation and was simply sitting in his seat when he was asked to leave:

https://www.metrotimes.com/news/detroit-muslim-leader-ejected-from-kamala-harris-rally-deepening-rift-between-democrats-and-arab-americans-37670193

Then they sent Richie Torres to Michigan to brag that the campaign hadn't made any compromises to Arabs in Michigan in order to get them to vote for Harris.

I am not sure that the Harris campaign understand how many Arab-Americans in Michigan have roots in southern Lebanon. As bad as things were because of Gaza, they have gotten exponentially worse. I have always thought that Harris would win this election and win it easily. But, if she loses, it will because of their treatment of Arab and Muslim Americans and that is completely self-inflicted.

SE Michigan resident here. Ahmed Ghanim, the man removed from Harris's rally, had an unsuccessful run during the Democratic primary and is a hardcore Jill Stein supporter. While it was a seriously bad move of the Harris campaign to eject him from the event, there is talk that Ghanim was not actually invited to the event and was using the invitation from someone else. Another rumor was that he was planning on creating a disruption. Not sure how true these are, but going with the narrative that Ghanim was a Harris supporter that was kicked out for being Muslim is not exactly true either.

As for the Arabic population in the Detroit metro, it's not completely surprising to hear this response from MSBNC however, the Arabic population has never been an ardent supporter of the Democratic party. What the media and most people aren't aware is that the Arabic population is vary diverse in Michigan and includes a significant population that is Catholic and traditionally been conservative and is very anti-abortion. In addition, Muslims have been aligning with republicans on social issues, such as book bans and is not very welcoming of LGBTQ+ people. See an example here: https://michiganadvance.com/2023/10/03/how-some-michigan-muslims-united-with-extremist-republicans-against-lgbtq-rights/

Moreover, there is a significant Jewish population throughout the state that is more aligned with Harris. The Harris campaign probably realizes that they will make more headway with these voters, their base in Detroit and Flint, and swing voters in areas like Grand Rapids.

This is so typical of the response from mainstream Democrats. There is a rumor of this and a rumor of that. Did they seriously kick this guy out because of rumors? Let's say he was going to stage a protest — something for which there is no evidence — can Harris seriously not handle that? In fact, a skilled politician could use that as an opportunity to speak to the issue.

It is simply not true that there have not been large numbers of ardent Democrats among the Arabs in Michigan. I used to do political organizing among Arab Americans and there was huge support among Muslims and Arabs from that area for Democrats. It's not a coincidence that is where Rashida Tlaib comes from.

At any rate, Democrats need to make up their mind. Either the Arabs don't matter, in which case there is no need or hang-wringing threads such as this. Or they do matter, in which cases someone should tell the Harris campaign. Either way, don't blame Arab Americans for not supporting Harris.

Hey, Jim. You're welcome to come up to West Bloomfield to witness how "progressive" the Arabic community is here and how well they get along with the large Jewish population here. I'm more than happy to show the houses of Arabs that have Trump signs in their yard. We can also stop by the local women's health clinic where Arabs picket there on a monthly basis.

Next, we can stop by Dearborn and Hamtramck and see how friendly they are to LBGTQ+ people, and you can ask the local residents why their support of Whitmer in the 2022 election was lower by 40 points compared to 2018.

As for Ghanim, a quick search through his social media page will show that he aligns himself with people like Cori Bush and Jill Stein and ran an unsuccessful campaign in an area that has the largest Jewish population in the state. I agree with you that booting him from the event was a stupid move from the Harris event. However, perhaps the Harris team felt like they wanted to avoid a situation like that with Layla Elabed. Where Harris met privately with Elabed, Rashida Tlaib's sister, who then proceeded to heckle Harris during a Detroit rally.

I do agree with you that Democrats need to make up their mind on if they want to continue to engage with the Arabic community. One could reasonably concede that they have started to distance themselves since this community has actively distanced themselves long before the events in Gaza unfolded.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:If this was a group of women advocating for Stein over Harris, they would be roundly dismissed and mocked. Because some of these Arabs are men, of course, it's somehow Harris' fault and not their's. And Jeff, you really need to check your male entitlement.

What a farce of an answer. If Kamala Harris came out tomorrow and said that she now supports a 6 week abortion ban, women would abandon her in droves. That would be completely understandable.

If you don't think that I would take the same position I have now with regard to a male who was the Democratic nominee, you are insane. Of course I would. Harris is the nominee so the buck stops with her. Don't make excuses for her.