Advocates for test say it is genetic. Common sense says it is a human construct and fundamentally bias toward the culture of the dominate class. If it is something that can be studied for (it is) then you are not born with it. One is trained into it, either explicitly by studying or implicitly by the way one’s parents raise them. Many, many, many studies show the tests used in the US are bias toward the white affluent. If one is from a different background their word choices will be different, their descriptions will be different, the puzzles they are trained to solve will be different, etc. |
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They don’t. The PP is lying. The test for 4 year olds is the WPPSI and it is totally unreliable at its best. More than half of it is “What is this?” or questions that require a verbal response. The other half is puzzles or “point to ___” |
Here is another liar. The test only goes up to 180. |
+1 Those people also don’t understand statistics or basic math, which is totally strange for gifted people. It is not strange for liars though. |
If they had said 160 I'd be skeptical, but this is a pretty "average" range in the smart bucket. All of us were top students with little effort, went to Ivy League schools, and are accomplished in our fields. I guess my neurosurgeon brother could have a sub-130 IQ but this range sounds right given other factors. |
I was not lying. But I have no idea how they did the testing. I do remember the parking lot incident but not the rest of the testing experience. (This was around 1980) I don’t believe I was fully mute, but mostly. I started reading extremely early. Maybe I could do one word answers. I do not know of taking another IQ test after that, but I was always in G&T classes. Then in 7th grade, I got a perfect score on the SAT, which qualified me for CTY. Then I spent all of college teaching standardized tests. Patterns and games are my favorite; SAT math, LSAT and whatever they call the dental school exam (I forgot; it has been over 20 years) were my specialities. I wasn’t particularly good on the ACT nor would I be for anything medical; recall isn’t a strength. |
| PP here again. There are a lot of downsides of high IQ. I think the sweet spot is around 125. Once you get higher than that, you start having different types of problems. My husband and several family members are 150-165, and I’m not the slightest bit jealous. |
Sure, Jan. You probably went for a test but it wasn’t a real IQ test. There are very few tests designed for 4 year olds and most are not reliable. Many school districts do G&T classes by teacher recommendation, so you don’t actually need to be gifted - except gifted with the behavior necessary to get noticed as a good student. |
| Yeah my parents told me. I guess I was tested as a child but I have no recollection of that. I wish they hadn’t told me honestly. Always felt I had to do something great and I didn’t. |
Then you don’t have an IQ higher than 98% of the population. SAT is not a difficult test for smart people. |
My two kids had IQ tests for learning disabilities. I don’t remember exact numbers but my daughter was in the average intelligence range and my son was in the superior intelligence range. I could have told them that. |
It seems like some are trying to outdo previous posters and maybe it’s more like people confusing their testing for “gifted” programs as IQ tests. But there’s definitely exaggeration and I find that embarrassing for grown people. IQ can have meaning if you’re an outlier. Especially on the lower end. It makes life more difficult. But the majority of people go through life not knowing or caring what their IQ is. The most common need for IQ tests is suspecting a learning disability. |
I agree. My siblings and I are 120s to 130s and it has been fine. However my nephew tested very high - it was 150s, 160s range and life was / is very very difficult for him. He is now a young adult and is doing better but childhood and adolescent were socially and emotionally extremely hard. He couldn't relate at all to other kids. It has not been easy at all. |
140 is not in the average range, it’s way above. I’m sure your brother is very talented and is in a very small group of people who have everything needed to become a neurosurgeon. But being a top student is not contingent on one test taken decades ago. Give yourself more credit than that. |