University of south carolina for Int'l business?

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

It does have the highest starting salary of UofSC grads. However, I have not seen anything indicating they place at a top consulting firm.

If they did, then they would at least show up as a target school for McKinsey, Bain, etc. They do not.

I’m not going to dig into the website. But if the college is saying highest starting salary is 75k that’s not a lot of money. That’s pretty average for all college grads.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

It does have the highest starting salary of UofSC grads. However, I have not seen anything indicating they place at a top consulting firm.

If they did, then they would at least show up as a target school for McKinsey, Bain, etc. They do not.

I’m not going to dig into the website. But if the college is saying highest starting salary is 75k that’s not a lot of money. That’s pretty average for all college grads.

It is good money in the south.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

It does have the highest starting salary of UofSC grads. However, I have not seen anything indicating they place at a top consulting firm.

If they did, then they would at least show up as a target school for McKinsey, Bain, etc. They do not.

I’m not going to dig into the website. But if the college is saying highest starting salary is 75k that’s not a lot of money. That’s pretty average for all college grads.

$75k is the average salary for IB grads…it is the highest average salary for the business program (just higher than finance).

It’s not the absolute highest salary a grad has been paid.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

It does have the highest starting salary of UofSC grads. However, I have not seen anything indicating they place at a top consulting firm.

If they did, then they would at least show up as a target school for McKinsey, Bain, etc. They do not.

I’m not going to dig into the website. But if the college is saying highest starting salary is 75k that’s not a lot of money. That’s pretty average for all college grads.

It is good money in the south.

And a reasonable salary for a 22 year old

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OP here. I just want to thank everyone for chiming in! I learned a lot from this conversation (in particular that int'l business is not a strong undergrad major and that a functional area plus language would be better). For those who suggest going for higher ranked school- let's say my kid applied to georgetown and had a decent shot at SFS but not the business school. Would early career outcomes coming from georgetown sfs be a better than a school like Indiana kelley?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I just want to thank everyone for chiming in! I learned a lot from this conversation (in particular that int'l business is not a strong undergrad major and that a functional area plus language would be better). For those who suggest going for higher ranked school- let's say my kid applied to georgetown and had a decent shot at SFS but not the business school. Would early career outcomes coming from georgetown sfs be a better than a school like Indiana kelley?

I would pick Georgetown SFS over Indiana Kelley all day long.

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OP you should really visit South Carolina and attend a Darla Moore presentation after touring their facility. They are outstanding.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I just want to thank everyone for chiming in! I learned a lot from this conversation (in particular that int'l business is not a strong undergrad major and that a functional area plus language would be better). For those who suggest going for higher ranked school- let's say my kid applied to georgetown and had a decent shot at SFS but not the business school. Would early career outcomes coming from georgetown sfs be a better than a school like Indiana kelley?

These are pretty different things. Kelley is a great school but ultimately it is a business school and the jobs are business jobs. Some banking and consulting but also lots of P&G, Unilever, BP, Target, etc. corporate jobs which may not be his cup of tea. There is an IB co-major (again, can’t do it on its own) so your kid could scratch that itch, and they’ve been building up their international studies school but it isn’t on the level of the DC or Boston-based ones.

Georgetown SFS may offer more flexibility for your kid to try out stuff in DC and consider whether those international jobs are for him. You can still probably find a finance or consulting job coming out of SFS if ultimately he wants to go the business route. For a kid with interest in international business or IR this is probably the better choice.

Went to Kelley about 15 years ago (see, it’s possible to be associated with a school and not blindly boost it) and have hired kids from Georgetown now in DC. I ended up wanting to do something more international and policy focused and I found Kelley frustrating on that front as, for many kids, the dream was landing a banking, management consulting, or Fortune 500 new grad rotational program. That was fine for them but I ended up going right to grad school. These two schools are different things but your kid seems to lean Georgetown.

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Georgetown sfs admit is as tough as an ivy. Also the school is 85k a year, if that matters.

Go ahead and apply, but, get accepted first.

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^^^i should add that these days Kelley is probably an easier admit than SFS (though neither is easy) as SFS is really in a world of its own. But others may have more insight into the admissions question.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown sfs admit is as tough as an ivy. Also the school is 85k a year, if that matters.

Go ahead and apply, but, get accepted first.

+1 Let’s not pretend like Georgetown is a realistic option for most people. Instead the conversation should be a place like IU or SC could be a good value bachelor’s degree, still lead to a decent job, and T10 MBA could happen down the road as well.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^i should add that these days Kelley is probably an easier admit than SFS (though neither is easy) as SFS is really in a world of its own. But others may have more insight into the admissions question.

IU-Kelley is definitely an easier admit than Georgetown SFS. Not even close.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I just want to thank everyone for chiming in! I learned a lot from this conversation (in particular that int'l business is not a strong undergrad major and that a functional area plus language would be better). For those who suggest going for higher ranked school- let's say my kid applied to georgetown and had a decent shot at SFS but not the business school. Would early career outcomes coming from georgetown sfs be a better than a school like Indiana kelley?

These are pretty different things. Kelley is a great school but ultimately it is a business school and the jobs are business jobs. Some banking and consulting but also lots of P&G, Unilever, BP, Target, etc. corporate jobs which may not be his cup of tea. There is an IB co-major (again, can’t do it on its own) so your kid could scratch that itch, and they’ve been building up their international studies school but it isn’t on the level of the DC or Boston-based ones.

Georgetown SFS may offer more flexibility for your kid to try out stuff in DC and consider whether those international jobs are for him. You can still probably find a finance or consulting job coming out of SFS if ultimately he wants to go the business route. For a kid with interest in international business or IR this is probably the better choice.

Went to Kelley about 15 years ago (see, it’s possible to be associated with a school and not blindly boost it) and have hired kids from Georgetown now in DC. I ended up wanting to do something more international and policy focused and I found Kelley frustrating on that front as, for many kids, the dream was landing a banking, management consulting, or Fortune 500 new grad rotational program. That was fine for them but I ended up going right to grad school. These two schools are different things but your kid seems to lean Georgetown.

Are you willing to share what type of grad school ? Master's program in IR or MBA or ??? TIA

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You could have dc attend a class and see. I would not think that school carries much respect for international business, though. Southern schools just don’t.

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What about duke, instead? They have footprints in china and other countries and are taken seriously