University of south carolina for Int'l business?

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Anonymous wrote:Gone are they days of companies hiring undergraduates with little or not business experience to send them overseas as an expat. It’s too expensive. The few companies I know of that still do some of this are Big Oil - Chevron, BP, and ExxonMobil. These companies don’t target IB majors specifically. They actually prefer engineering majors.

Other MNCs hire undergrads with general business or finance/economic backgrounds and run them through their rotational programs. Your DC is better served focusing on finance/economic and a foreign language to increase their chance of a career in IB.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

An earlier poster commented that expat assignments (which are the true lucrative international assignments) are not given to new grads who have zero experience. This is accurate from my experience. We gave those assignments to hi potential incumbents in the company, most of whom had 10-20 years of experience with the company. They had earned the opportunity.

Do recent grads ever get hired on local packages if they speak the native language? Yes. But that’s not the way to go international. Why? Because pay rates outside the US are 35-50% less than the rates we pay for equivalent roles. If you don’t know this, you may be overly glamorizing International to a level you just don’t understand.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

It’s literally not anything to be proud of. If they are placing kids internationally those kids aren’t getting expat packages. It just means they hired Madison in Hong Kong Office bc she speaks Mandarin and she is paid 70% of what her peer accountant earns in NYC.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

It’s literally not anything to be proud of. If they are placing kids internationally those kids aren’t getting expat packages. It just means they hired Madison in Hong Kong Office bc she speaks Mandarin and she is paid 70% of what her peer accountant earns in NYC.

+1. Plus, there are so many international students studying in the US, MNCs don’t have to hire US expats. They simply hire the Chinese, Indian, Korean, or Vietnamese grads to work in their home countries. These grads are ecstatic with the competitive local salaries and prestige of working for an MNC.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

It probably means something that it is rated 1 by USNEWS….Equally it probably means something that the college outright tells their students to find a second major.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

It probably means something that it is rated 1 by USNEWS….Equally it probably means something that the college outright tells their students to find a second major.

Adding a second major isn’t a bad thing, in fact it makes the program stronger and diversifies the skillset mastered by students.

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Anonymous wrote:We don't really follow rankings, but when searching for strong International Business programs, university of south carolina always comes up as a top program. The school was never on our radar, but we are looking into it now. Dors anyone has any insight or experience with the program and school overall? I have a senior so we are in the midst of stressful applications and appreciate guidance. My kid has 3.85 unweighted gpa with rigor, 34 act, Asian language fluency, and interesting EC. Interested in studying international business or maybe international relations but with curriculum that offers some practical application- more than just academic theory. Thanks!

One idea to consider: Your son could get an English-language bachelor’s degree from a European university like this one — https://www.cbs.dk/en/study/bachelor/admission/how-to-apply/international-applicants


Maybe the cost would be about $30,000 to $35,000 all in.

This probably would not be a great option for a mid who wants tailgate parties and a big expat package from Deloitte.

It would be more for a bright, motivated student with mediocre ECs, probably can’t get into a fantastic U.S. business school and wants an adventure.

Another thought is that ROTC might be good for a student who is internationally minded and is open to serving in the military.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.