University of south carolina for Int'l business?

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You cannot argue with anyone defending the position that their school is highly ranked in some subspecialty.

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Overall, this is a great thread. However, one aspect has not been clearly addressed:

Admission to U. of South Carolina Darla Moore School of Business with a full tuition & fees scholarship versus full pay at each of the top 10 undergraduate business programs.

Many might accept U of SC Darla Moore with a full tuition scholarship under the rationale of working for 2 or 3 years, then attending a top MBA program without any trailing student loan debt from undergraduate study.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

It does have the highest starting salary of UofSC grads. However, I have not seen anything indicating they place at a top consulting firm.

If they did, then they would at least show up as a target school for McKinsey, Bain, etc. They do not.

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https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-international#

The top ten includes UPenn and Berkeley

But neither of these schools are listed as even having this program at the same publication:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/international-business-major-5211?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

It does have the highest starting salary of UofSC grads. However, I have not seen anything indicating they place at a top consulting firm.

If they did, then they would at least show up as a target school for McKinsey, Bain, etc. They do not.

Deloitte is listed

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I agree and disagree with others.

If you are trying to find the best undergraduate business program that will lead to good-to-great career outcomes, then you should not get hung up on South Carolina's undergraduate international business ranking. It's fairly meaningless in the context of comparing to all undergraduate business programs.

However, if you decide to attend South Carolina for business (and if it is 100% free, that is a powerful reason), you should seriously consider this major because it does have the best career outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-international#

The top ten includes UPenn and Berkeley

But neither of these schools are listed as even having this program at the same publication:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/international-business-major-5211?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

This is why the ranking is questionable. I wouldn’t put much stock in it. Most schools don’t have this as a major.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

This is also addressed in the “Majors Report” at the link you(?) sent:

“Many IB majors will choose a second major that is quantitative based and this choice accounts for higher average starting salaries compared to students who choose a non-quantitative major.”

Even the school is not giving the IB major credit for the salaries.

But a question back to you. You seem hellbent on defending this, so I assume you have some connection (either alum, current student, or kid there). So why don’t you share with us the positives? OP asked for insights and experience, so go for it. But as far as I can tell no one getting defensive about the school has provided any details about why it is so great.

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My history and info is dated but here goes. U. So. Carolina had a very strong Intnl. Bus. Masters program when I considered it - but I ultimately chose Thunderbird School of Intnl Management (masters only). After COVID, TBIRD lost 1/3 of students who were intl., fell under financial duress, and has since become part of AZ State. Thunderbird had and probably still has the biggest international business alumni network in the world (i.e TBird Tuesday's throughout major cities worldwide). So. Carolina's strength was its coop program. I was recruited from Thunderbird by a So. Carolina grad (masters - not undergraduate) and worked for him on Wall Street. Both programs were and hopefully are still strong at the masters level. If it was my child, I would encourage them to remain unique with their language skills and study international business for their Masters - not undergrad. Accounting, Finance and even better yet engineering for undergrad. Get 2-3 years of work experience and then pursue the MBA/MIM in international business. Look aboad as well at INSEAD, ESADE, Bocconni, etc. Alumni networks matter - Best of luck!

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

This is also addressed in the “Majors Report” at the link you(?) sent:

“Many IB majors will choose a second major that is quantitative based and this choice accounts for higher average starting salaries compared to students who choose a non-quantitative major.”

Even the school is not giving the IB major credit for the salaries.

But a question back to you. You seem hellbent on defending this, so I assume you have some connection (either alum, current student, or kid there). So why don’t you share with us the positives? OP asked for insights and experience, so go for it. But as far as I can tell no one getting defensive about the school has provided any details about why it is so great.

The salaries listed appear to be for IB kids. Yes IB kids are double majors but the salaries still count. You seem hellbent on bashing it but the ranking and starting salaries speak for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

This is also addressed in the “Majors Report” at the link you(?) sent:

“Many IB majors will choose a second major that is quantitative based and this choice accounts for higher average starting salaries compared to students who choose a non-quantitative major.”

Even the school is not giving the IB major credit for the salaries.

But a question back to you. You seem hellbent on defending this, so I assume you have some connection (either alum, current student, or kid there). So why don’t you share with us the positives? OP asked for insights and experience, so go for it. But as far as I can tell no one getting defensive about the school has provided any details about why it is so great.

The salaries listed appear to be for IB kids. Yes IB kids are double majors but the salaries still count. You seem hellbent on bashing it but the ranking and starting salaries speak for themselves.

I’m not bashing, I’m relaying information from the school directly. They attribute the salaries of the IB kids to their second majors.

But tell us! Tell us what the school does that is great. Tell us why the IB program is great. I’m not being a dick, lots of people have flagged why this probably isn’t the best option for OP’s kid, but tell us why it is.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

It does have the highest starting salary of UofSC grads. However, I have not seen anything indicating they place at a top consulting firm.

If they did, then they would at least show up as a target school for McKinsey, Bain, etc. They do not.

Deloitte is listed

A) Deloitte not a top consulting firm
B) Deloitte hires hundreds of colleges a year. They will be at Wayne State next week.

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My FCPS son is a freshman there in the Business school and a Capstone scholar. He is having a great experience; I am struck by how much happier he is now than I was at his age as a freshman at a higher ranked school.

His stats were 4.1W gpa and 1380 sat. One strong EC with state and national championships.

He also was accepted to Jmu honors, Indiana Kelly school (but that was 15k more a year), Pitt, and WM spring admit. Did not get off the waitlist for business at VA Tech.

I’ve been very impressed with the schools first year experience and also the business school is very strong. At orientation they said last year they had 16,000 applicants for dollar more and only 1600 were admitted.

DS received $16/year in guaranteed merit aid, making the cost $42k instead of $58k oos. Pretty in line with some in state schools.

DS wanted a big D1, sporty experience. he is not rushing, but he’s considering it later and he’s comfortable with that kind of environment. That was also a consideration. Yes it’s southern too, but there are a lot of students from New York and New Jersey because it’s such a good value and a fun school.

FWIW I have an ivy undergrad and an MBA from a top 20 school myself; I think his classes sound like my MBA experience. I’m not really worried about him getting a job, even if people in the DMV don’t know as much about USC, he is getting the experience and those in the know are aware South Carolina is a good business school program.

Also agree that you don’t need the international part of the business school program to get a job or work internationally; that’s not how it works anyway.

Good luck to your son! Apply to everything that interests him and see what happens

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Anonymous wrote:OP your kid has stats for a much better business school. As someone who has had global responsibilities and has done an expat assignment abroad for an international company you don’t need an “international business” degree. Have your kid go to the highest ranked school and overall business school (university of South Carolina is not top) The best b schools all offer global exposure to their undergrads, trips, even global internships. Look them up. Then join a F500 with global presence for the first gig out of school.

As someone who recruits at business schools for consulting, the above advice is dead on. I’ve recruited at Penn, UVA, Michigan, and CMU. Univ of SC is never under consideration. If your child is interested in int’l business, focus on a foreign language and do a semester abroad at a top 25 business school.

This thread isn’t about consulting and surely you are aware most kids don’t go to a T25 b school. This thread has been hijacked by people with no apparent knowledge about Darla. Move on

No. You don’t get to cancel others just because you don’t like the discussion. The original queation was ‘does the international degree at U of SC have any merit’. And many here are trying to answer that. You don’t have to like what is being offered. But you don’t get to stop others from providing real business advice.

+1. I’ve commented previously providing advice about this as well, and I also agree with the poster at 20:30. This is not meant to be a U of SC booster thread but a thread about OP’s question. While I hope someone can shed light on why, exactly, U of SC has a popular international business program, it doesn’t change the reality that this is a weaker major (that often doesn’t result in an international business career) or that Darla is a middling business school in the grand scheme of things. It’s helpful for these views to be shared, not just defensive posts from people with their kids there currently.

And Darla grads can still get international jobs if they want. Not all companies target Darla grads and UofSC isn’t Harvard, but let’s be honest that Darla kids can be successful too.

Okay, but share what the “international jobs” are. I’m genuinely asking. I’m incredibly skeptical, because most IB programs do not succeed at this, but maybe you will prove me wrong and UofSC has cracked the code. But I’m talking about real international jobs, not just “they were employed 6 months after graduation.”

They have this on their website- https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/moore/talent_recruiting/office_of_career_management/company_recruiter_resources/employment_statistics/index.php

Okay, so the same companies as the other majors. This was a point I made earlier. IB programs are not sending kids into IB jobs, so unless the culture and fit speak to you, better to pursue a different major at the best school (and fit) you can swing.

The IB companies listed are global, so you don’t know that the placement wasn’t international.

I do, because I know the way these US-based and US-centric companies operate. The Big 4 consulting firms generally hire new hires in the country where they have right to work. BoA is heavily US-focused for a large bank. They aren’t shipping these kids all over the world just because they majored in IB, which is also why they are same companies listed across multiple majors.

Generally is not the same as always. You’re kidding yourself if actually think UofSC doesn’t place some kids abroad.

Prove it, then.

The link to their website has been provided already.

Thank you for pointing this out. I found this gem from the “Major Guide” that the business school provides:

“All international business majors are required to choose a second major that is functional in nature. Since it is uncommon for a student to work abroad immediately following graduation, the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study. The choice of this second major is as important as the completion of the IB major.”

So, OP, there you go. Even the Darla school admits the IB major isn’t leading to an international job and is, in most cases, worthless for early career purposes.

It’s weird you feel the need to be so negative. UofSC IB majors learn the other areas of business, that’s a good thing. There is nothing wrong with kids wanting the international focus that UofSC provides. USNWR says the major is #1. If you don’t like it, move on.

DP I didn’t think the pp was negative. They cited the actual verbiage from the web site you pointed to. If you don’t like the conversation regarding your school maybe you should be the one to move on.

They went on to call the #1 IB major worthless which is misleading and ridiculous.

Worthless “for early career purposes.” Yeah, I said that. Because the school even says “the first full-time position most international business majors obtain is through the skill sets gained within their second major area of study.”

This isn’t news to anyone who has been around a business school. Lots of them don’t allow a standalone IB major precisely because it is weak on its own, or they don’t even offer it as a major at all.

It’s fine. But it’s the kind of thing OP should be aware of.

The IB major has their highest starting salary and places at top consulting firms. Hardly “worthless”

It does have the highest starting salary of UofSC grads. However, I have not seen anything indicating they place at a top consulting firm.

If they did, then they would at least show up as a target school for McKinsey, Bain, etc. They do not.

Deloitte is listed

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/admissions/under-the-radar-inside-darla-moores-pipeline-to-top-wall-street-firms/

They also do a lot of job placement in banks/etc in charlotte where the NE kids might not want to move from NY/Boston