No teacher yet for my child’s class…

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

And...you make how much? Riiiiggght.
-DP who is not a teacher.

I’m an insurance adjuster and I don’t have the perks that a teacher gets while they are working or after they get when they can retire after so many years. Nor do I have months off or holidays.

For the final time:
It isn’t “months off”. It’s unpaid. We are 10-month employees. And if you love this perk, explain why you haven’t switched to teaching? (Then you, too, can get a 2nd job for those months like many of us do.)

Most of us don’t make it to retirement because of burnout, so we don’t see those glorious pensions you’re probably thinking of.

And time off? If I’m sick, I have to spend 2 hours making sub plans, just to spend 3 hours grading them. So a day off work actually costs me 5 hours. And I’m not even guaranteed a sub.

The amount of time you complain is outstanding.
Why should you get paid for not working those months? I know plenty of teachers who are working until retirement including a good friend, my child’s tutor, and family member; you simply cant take working.

Fine. I shouldn’t get paid if I am not working. Then can I get paid for when I AM working?

I spend 2-3 full weeks each summer revamping lessons and writing college recommendation letters. Should I get paid for that?

I work 8-10 hours each Saturday. Should I get overtime for that?

So here’s where you are messing up:
You can be rude and disrespectful. That’s okay. I’m used to it. But what does it get YOU other than a brief “ha, I told HER” feeling? I’ll just be another amazing teacher out the door when we’re here on DCUM bemoaning the fact our schools can’t keep strong teachers.

Because when all the insults are out, the truth remains: teachers are fleeing the classroom, and we all lose.

Now you want to get paid extra for doing your job.

Way to miss the point, but I suspect you aren’t really trying to get it.

But I’ll play along. No, some of it isn’t my job. I actually don’t have to write a single recommendation letter. It isn’t in my contract, yet it takes me over 40 unpaid hours of work each year.

And I’m contracted for 40 hours a week, yet I work 65. So that extra 25 is also a gift to the school since I’m giving a far better product than what they pay for.

So try again. Lazy attempt.

Woe is me!

West county parent with too much time on their hands and no empathy for others.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

And...you make how much? Riiiiggght.
-DP who is not a teacher.

I’m an insurance adjuster and I don’t have the perks that a teacher gets while they are working or after they get when they can retire after so many years. Nor do I have months off or holidays.

For the final time:
It isn’t “months off”. It’s unpaid. We are 10-month employees. And if you love this perk, explain why you haven’t switched to teaching? (Then you, too, can get a 2nd job for those months like many of us do.)

Most of us don’t make it to retirement because of burnout, so we don’t see those glorious pensions you’re probably thinking of.

And time off? If I’m sick, I have to spend 2 hours making sub plans, just to spend 3 hours grading them. So a day off work actually costs me 5 hours. And I’m not even guaranteed a sub.

The amount of time you complain is outstanding.
Why should you get paid for not working those months? I know plenty of teachers who are working until retirement including a good friend, my child’s tutor, and family member; you simply cant take working.

Fine. I shouldn’t get paid if I am not working. Then can I get paid for when I AM working?

I spend 2-3 full weeks each summer revamping lessons and writing college recommendation letters. Should I get paid for that?

I work 8-10 hours each Saturday. Should I get overtime for that?

So here’s where you are messing up:
You can be rude and disrespectful. That’s okay. I’m used to it. But what does it get YOU other than a brief “ha, I told HER” feeling? I’ll just be another amazing teacher out the door when we’re here on DCUM bemoaning the fact our schools can’t keep strong teachers.

Because when all the insults are out, the truth remains: teachers are fleeing the classroom, and we all lose.

Now you want to get paid extra for doing your job.

Way to miss the point, but I suspect you aren’t really trying to get it.

But I’ll play along. No, some of it isn’t my job. I actually don’t have to write a single recommendation letter. It isn’t in my contract, yet it takes me over 40 unpaid hours of work each year.

And I’m contracted for 40 hours a week, yet I work 65. So that extra 25 is also a gift to the school since I’m giving a far better product than what they pay for.

So try again. Lazy attempt.

You didn’t know that you have to grade papers outside of school hours? You didn’t know that student recommendation letters are needed from you? These are not new concepts to teaching. You want to clock in at 8 and out at 3. Work at a preschool; I’m sure there are jobs there.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

And...you make how much? Riiiiggght.
-DP who is not a teacher.

I’m an insurance adjuster and I don’t have the perks that a teacher gets while they are working or after they get when they can retire after so many years. Nor do I have months off or holidays.

For the final time:
It isn’t “months off”. It’s unpaid. We are 10-month employees. And if you love this perk, explain why you haven’t switched to teaching? (Then you, too, can get a 2nd job for those months like many of us do.)

Most of us don’t make it to retirement because of burnout, so we don’t see those glorious pensions you’re probably thinking of.

And time off? If I’m sick, I have to spend 2 hours making sub plans, just to spend 3 hours grading them. So a day off work actually costs me 5 hours. And I’m not even guaranteed a sub.

The amount of time you complain is outstanding.
Why should you get paid for not working those months? I know plenty of teachers who are working until retirement including a good friend, my child’s tutor, and family member; you simply cant take working.

Fine. I shouldn’t get paid if I am not working. Then can I get paid for when I AM working?

I spend 2-3 full weeks each summer revamping lessons and writing college recommendation letters. Should I get paid for that?

I work 8-10 hours each Saturday. Should I get overtime for that?

So here’s where you are messing up:
You can be rude and disrespectful. That’s okay. I’m used to it. But what does it get YOU other than a brief “ha, I told HER” feeling? I’ll just be another amazing teacher out the door when we’re here on DCUM bemoaning the fact our schools can’t keep strong teachers.

Because when all the insults are out, the truth remains: teachers are fleeing the classroom, and we all lose.

Now you want to get paid extra for doing your job.

Way to miss the point, but I suspect you aren’t really trying to get it.

But I’ll play along. No, some of it isn’t my job. I actually don’t have to write a single recommendation letter. It isn’t in my contract, yet it takes me over 40 unpaid hours of work each year.

And I’m contracted for 40 hours a week, yet I work 65. So that extra 25 is also a gift to the school since I’m giving a far better product than what they pay for.

So try again. Lazy attempt.

Woe is me!

West county parent with too much time on their hands and no empathy for others.

Teacher with too much time on their hands and no empathy for students.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

And...you make how much? Riiiiggght.
-DP who is not a teacher.

I’m an insurance adjuster and I don’t have the perks that a teacher gets while they are working or after they get when they can retire after so many years. Nor do I have months off or holidays.

For the final time:
It isn’t “months off”. It’s unpaid. We are 10-month employees. And if you love this perk, explain why you haven’t switched to teaching? (Then you, too, can get a 2nd job for those months like many of us do.)

Most of us don’t make it to retirement because of burnout, so we don’t see those glorious pensions you’re probably thinking of.

And time off? If I’m sick, I have to spend 2 hours making sub plans, just to spend 3 hours grading them. So a day off work actually costs me 5 hours. And I’m not even guaranteed a sub.

The amount of time you complain is outstanding.
Why should you get paid for not working those months? I know plenty of teachers who are working until retirement including a good friend, my child’s tutor, and family member; you simply cant take working.

Fine. I shouldn’t get paid if I am not working. Then can I get paid for when I AM working?

I spend 2-3 full weeks each summer revamping lessons and writing college recommendation letters. Should I get paid for that?

I work 8-10 hours each Saturday. Should I get overtime for that?

So here’s where you are messing up:
You can be rude and disrespectful. That’s okay. I’m used to it. But what does it get YOU other than a brief “ha, I told HER” feeling? I’ll just be another amazing teacher out the door when we’re here on DCUM bemoaning the fact our schools can’t keep strong teachers.

Because when all the insults are out, the truth remains: teachers are fleeing the classroom, and we all lose.

Now you want to get paid extra for doing your job.

Way to miss the point, but I suspect you aren’t really trying to get it.

But I’ll play along. No, some of it isn’t my job. I actually don’t have to write a single recommendation letter. It isn’t in my contract, yet it takes me over 40 unpaid hours of work each year.

And I’m contracted for 40 hours a week, yet I work 65. So that extra 25 is also a gift to the school since I’m giving a far better product than what they pay for.

So try again. Lazy attempt.

Woe is me!

West county parent with too much time on their hands and no empathy for others.

Lazy complaining teacher who demonstrates that she sucks in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

It would seem a lot of teachers are deciding that the "generous" pay does not balance out against the crap involved.

[Anonymous]

I'm a para who's turned down the option to be a teacher several times. There's no way I'd take on that role even for the doubled salary. My duty day ends when I walk out the door. I like working with the kids (when they don't hit, bite, or spit on me). I'm glad I don't have to deal with all the prep, the grading, the paperwork. And most of all I'm glad I don't have to deal with the parents more than minimally; teachers, counselors, and admin get that particular joy.

For everyone crapping on teachers: try it. The pay's not generous. The job's not cushy. If MCPS or Md took away their halfway-decent pension, we'd lose 3/4 of the teachers in a month. That's the only thing keeping most of them at it.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

And...you make how much? Riiiiggght.
-DP who is not a teacher.

I’m an insurance adjuster and I don’t have the perks that a teacher gets while they are working or after they get when they can retire after so many years. Nor do I have months off or holidays.

For the final time:
It isn’t “months off”. It’s unpaid. We are 10-month employees. And if you love this perk, explain why you haven’t switched to teaching? (Then you, too, can get a 2nd job for those months like many of us do.)

Most of us don’t make it to retirement because of burnout, so we don’t see those glorious pensions you’re probably thinking of.

And time off? If I’m sick, I have to spend 2 hours making sub plans, just to spend 3 hours grading them. So a day off work actually costs me 5 hours. And I’m not even guaranteed a sub.

The amount of time you complain is outstanding.
Why should you get paid for not working those months? I know plenty of teachers who are working until retirement including a good friend, my child’s tutor, and family member; you simply cant take working.

Fine. I shouldn’t get paid if I am not working. Then can I get paid for when I AM working?

I spend 2-3 full weeks each summer revamping lessons and writing college recommendation letters. Should I get paid for that?

I work 8-10 hours each Saturday. Should I get overtime for that?

So here’s where you are messing up:
You can be rude and disrespectful. That’s okay. I’m used to it. But what does it get YOU other than a brief “ha, I told HER” feeling? I’ll just be another amazing teacher out the door when we’re here on DCUM bemoaning the fact our schools can’t keep strong teachers.

Because when all the insults are out, the truth remains: teachers are fleeing the classroom, and we all lose.

Now you want to get paid extra for doing your job.

Way to miss the point, but I suspect you aren’t really trying to get it.

But I’ll play along. No, some of it isn’t my job. I actually don’t have to write a single recommendation letter. It isn’t in my contract, yet it takes me over 40 unpaid hours of work each year.

And I’m contracted for 40 hours a week, yet I work 65. So that extra 25 is also a gift to the school since I’m giving a far better product than what they pay for.

So try again. Lazy attempt.

You didn’t know that you have to grade papers outside of school hours? You didn’t know that student recommendation letters are needed from you? These are not new concepts to teaching. You want to clock in at 8 and out at 3. Work at a preschool; I’m sure there are jobs there.

I don’t think any teacher enters the profession assuming they only get 45 minutes a day to do 20 hours of work a week. They don’t really tell you that when you sign your contract.

It’s clear you find this acceptable. Teachers don’t. And they have other options, and they are taking them.

Since you clearly think the workload is reasonable and the perks are wonderful, then I suggest you to apply. Trust me, we’ve left you a choice of classrooms! And with more leaving this year, you can breeze into teaching whatever grade level/subject you want to teach.

[Anonymous]

Op if you're really wondering why your child doesn't have a teacher yet, just re-read the ignorant posts in this thread.

You could not pay me enough to put up with the bs out of a lot of the kids and certainly not their parents.

[Anonymous]

Teachers: "keep your eye on the prize."
Retirement!

Parents - schools need help. Unfortunately this is the way it is. If you can and they are willing to take you in as a volunteer, volunteer!

[Anonymous]

There are some amazing parents out there and their kids represent them so well, joy to work with those students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are some amazing parents out there and their kids represent them so well, joy to work with those students.

Most of the parents, even. It only takes a few poisonous ones to make teaching a living hell, though.

[Anonymous]

I’d love to know how many of the people on this thread dissing teachers were all fired up when they had to report to work in an office once or twice a week.

Teachers have it hard. On all the time. I watched my parent do it in the 90s and it was hard then. It’s far worse now.

I’m a lawyer too and at my most exhausted I still know I couldn’t cut it as a teacher. Thank you public school teachers who are hanging in there, teaching my kids, and putting up with all this bull crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op if you're really wondering why your child doesn't have a teacher yet, just re-read the ignorant posts in this thread.

You could not pay me enough to put up with the bs out of a lot of the kids and certainly not their parents.

+1

[Anonymous]

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/1199532.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teachers: "keep your eye on the prize."
Retirement!

Parents - schools need help. Unfortunately this is the way it is. If you can and they are willing to take you in as a volunteer, volunteer!

Or apply to sub and get paid for it. It’s probably the greater need.