No teacher yet for my child’s class…

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Anonymous wrote:Welcome to the new normal in public education.

This. What did people expect? When you treat employees like crap, they leave. When you run out of qualified people to fill the job, you end up with anybody who is desperate. This should not come as a surprise.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

I’m sure you have more than 45 minutes a day to do this task. After I have pointless meetings and go to the bathroom, I might get 5 minutes a day without students in my classroom to grade. On a good day.

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I’ve come to conclude after working in a classroom for 10 years that many parents have no idea how children act in groups. It’s like they have a puppy who is sweet at home with them but bites all the other dogs at the dog park, and they do not believe it’s possible. Like those mothers saying “but he’s such a good boy” after their kid commits some major crime.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

I’m sure you have more than 45 minutes a day to do this task. After I have pointless meetings and go to the bathroom, I might get 5 minutes a day without students in my classroom to grade. On a good day.

And you think teachers are the only employees to have pointless meetings? You’re out of touch.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

And...you make how much? Riiiiggght.
-DP who is not a teacher.

I’m an insurance adjuster and I don’t have the perks that a teacher gets while they are working or after they get when they can retire after so many years. Nor do I have months off or holidays.

For the final time:
It isn’t “months off”. It’s unpaid. We are 10-month employees. And if you love this perk, explain why you haven’t switched to teaching? (Then you, too, can get a 2nd job for those months like many of us do.)

Most of us don’t make it to retirement because of burnout, so we don’t see those glorious pensions you’re probably thinking of.

And time off? If I’m sick, I have to spend 2 hours making sub plans, just to spend 3 hours grading them. So a day off work actually costs me 5 hours. And I’m not even guaranteed a sub.

The amount of time you complain is outstanding.
Why should you get paid for not working those months? I know plenty of teachers who are working until retirement including a good friend, my child’s tutor, and family member; you simply cant take working.

Fine. I shouldn’t get paid if I am not working. Then can I get paid for when I AM working?

I spend 2-3 full weeks each summer revamping lessons and writing college recommendation letters. Should I get paid for that?

I work 8-10 hours each Saturday. Should I get overtime for that?

So here’s where you are messing up:
You can be rude and disrespectful. That’s okay. I’m used to it. But what does it get YOU other than a brief “ha, I told HER” feeling? I’ll just be another amazing teacher out the door when we’re here on DCUM bemoaning the fact our schools can’t keep strong teachers.

Because when all the insults are out, the truth remains: teachers are fleeing the classroom, and we all lose.

Now you want to get paid extra for doing your job.

Way to miss the point, but I suspect you aren’t really trying to get it.

But I’ll play along. No, some of it isn’t my job. I actually don’t have to write a single recommendation letter. It isn’t in my contract, yet it takes me over 40 unpaid hours of work each year.

And I’m contracted for 40 hours a week, yet I work 65. So that extra 25 is also a gift to the school since I’m giving a far better product than what they pay for.

So try again. Lazy attempt.

You didn’t know that you have to grade papers outside of school hours? You didn’t know that student recommendation letters are needed from you? These are not new concepts to teaching. You want to clock in at 8 and out at 3. Work at a preschool; I’m sure there are jobs there.

I don’t think any teacher enters the profession assuming they only get 45 minutes a day to do 20 hours of work a week. They don’t really tell you that when you sign your contract.

It’s clear you find this acceptable. Teachers don’t. And they have other options, and they are taking them.

Since you clearly think the workload is reasonable and the perks are wonderful, then I suggest you to apply. Trust me, we’ve left you a choice of classrooms! And with more leaving this year, you can breeze into teaching whatever grade level/subject you want to teach.

Good, the students don’t need resentful, whiny asses who are shocked at having to grade papers and read essays as a teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Long term subs are usually experienced teachers. Is this a recent graduate?

That was back before the iPhone ruined children. I taught in the early 2000s. I saw the slide. I would never long term sub.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve come to conclude after working in a classroom for 10 years that many parents have no idea how children act in groups. It’s like they have a puppy who is sweet at home with them but bites all the other dogs at the dog park, and they do not believe it’s possible. Like those mothers saying “but he’s such a good boy” after their kid commits some major crime.

OMG. You are so right. I will be stealing this analogy.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

And...you make how much? Riiiiggght.
-DP who is not a teacher.

I’m an insurance adjuster and I don’t have the perks that a teacher gets while they are working or after they get when they can retire after so many years. Nor do I have months off or holidays.

For the final time:
It isn’t “months off”. It’s unpaid. We are 10-month employees. And if you love this perk, explain why you haven’t switched to teaching? (Then you, too, can get a 2nd job for those months like many of us do.)

Most of us don’t make it to retirement because of burnout, so we don’t see those glorious pensions you’re probably thinking of.

And time off? If I’m sick, I have to spend 2 hours making sub plans, just to spend 3 hours grading them. So a day off work actually costs me 5 hours. And I’m not even guaranteed a sub.

The amount of time you complain is outstanding.
Why should you get paid for not working those months? I know plenty of teachers who are working until retirement including a good friend, my child’s tutor, and family member; you simply cant take working.

Fine. I shouldn’t get paid if I am not working. Then can I get paid for when I AM working?

I spend 2-3 full weeks each summer revamping lessons and writing college recommendation letters. Should I get paid for that?

I work 8-10 hours each Saturday. Should I get overtime for that?

So here’s where you are messing up:
You can be rude and disrespectful. That’s okay. I’m used to it. But what does it get YOU other than a brief “ha, I told HER” feeling? I’ll just be another amazing teacher out the door when we’re here on DCUM bemoaning the fact our schools can’t keep strong teachers.

Because when all the insults are out, the truth remains: teachers are fleeing the classroom, and we all lose.

Now you want to get paid extra for doing your job.

Way to miss the point, but I suspect you aren’t really trying to get it.

But I’ll play along. No, some of it isn’t my job. I actually don’t have to write a single recommendation letter. It isn’t in my contract, yet it takes me over 40 unpaid hours of work each year.

And I’m contracted for 40 hours a week, yet I work 65. So that extra 25 is also a gift to the school since I’m giving a far better product than what they pay for.

So try again. Lazy attempt.

Woe is me!

West county parent with too much time on their hands and no empathy for others.

Lazy complaining teacher who demonstrates that she sucks in the classroom.

LOL. Lazy complaining parent who is clueless.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

And...you make how much? Riiiiggght.
-DP who is not a teacher.

I’m an insurance adjuster and I don’t have the perks that a teacher gets while they are working or after they get when they can retire after so many years. Nor do I have months off or holidays.

For the final time:
It isn’t “months off”. It’s unpaid. We are 10-month employees. And if you love this perk, explain why you haven’t switched to teaching? (Then you, too, can get a 2nd job for those months like many of us do.)

Most of us don’t make it to retirement because of burnout, so we don’t see those glorious pensions you’re probably thinking of.

And time off? If I’m sick, I have to spend 2 hours making sub plans, just to spend 3 hours grading them. So a day off work actually costs me 5 hours. And I’m not even guaranteed a sub.

The amount of time you complain is outstanding.
Why should you get paid for not working those months? I know plenty of teachers who are working until retirement including a good friend, my child’s tutor, and family member; you simply cant take working.

Fine. I shouldn’t get paid if I am not working. Then can I get paid for when I AM working?

I spend 2-3 full weeks each summer revamping lessons and writing college recommendation letters. Should I get paid for that?

I work 8-10 hours each Saturday. Should I get overtime for that?

So here’s where you are messing up:
You can be rude and disrespectful. That’s okay. I’m used to it. But what does it get YOU other than a brief “ha, I told HER” feeling? I’ll just be another amazing teacher out the door when we’re here on DCUM bemoaning the fact our schools can’t keep strong teachers.

Because when all the insults are out, the truth remains: teachers are fleeing the classroom, and we all lose.

Now you want to get paid extra for doing your job.

Way to miss the point, but I suspect you aren’t really trying to get it.

But I’ll play along. No, some of it isn’t my job. I actually don’t have to write a single recommendation letter. It isn’t in my contract, yet it takes me over 40 unpaid hours of work each year.

And I’m contracted for 40 hours a week, yet I work 65. So that extra 25 is also a gift to the school since I’m giving a far better product than what they pay for.

So try again. Lazy attempt.

You didn’t know that you have to grade papers outside of school hours? You didn’t know that student recommendation letters are needed from you? These are not new concepts to teaching. You want to clock in at 8 and out at 3. Work at a preschool; I’m sure there are jobs there.

I don’t think any teacher enters the profession assuming they only get 45 minutes a day to do 20 hours of work a week. They don’t really tell you that when you sign your contract.

It’s clear you find this acceptable. Teachers don’t. And they have other options, and they are taking them.

Since you clearly think the workload is reasonable and the perks are wonderful, then I suggest you to apply. Trust me, we’ve left you a choice of classrooms! And with more leaving this year, you can breeze into teaching whatever grade level/subject you want to teach.

Good, the students don’t need resentful, whiny asses who are shocked at having to grade papers and read essays as a teacher.

You should homeschool.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

And...you make how much? Riiiiggght.
-DP who is not a teacher.

I’m an insurance adjuster and I don’t have the perks that a teacher gets while they are working or after they get when they can retire after so many years. Nor do I have months off or holidays.

For the final time:
It isn’t “months off”. It’s unpaid. We are 10-month employees. And if you love this perk, explain why you haven’t switched to teaching? (Then you, too, can get a 2nd job for those months like many of us do.)

Most of us don’t make it to retirement because of burnout, so we don’t see those glorious pensions you’re probably thinking of.

And time off? If I’m sick, I have to spend 2 hours making sub plans, just to spend 3 hours grading them. So a day off work actually costs me 5 hours. And I’m not even guaranteed a sub.

The amount of time you complain is outstanding.
Why should you get paid for not working those months? I know plenty of teachers who are working until retirement including a good friend, my child’s tutor, and family member; you simply cant take working.

Fine. I shouldn’t get paid if I am not working. Then can I get paid for when I AM working?

I spend 2-3 full weeks each summer revamping lessons and writing college recommendation letters. Should I get paid for that?

I work 8-10 hours each Saturday. Should I get overtime for that?

So here’s where you are messing up:
You can be rude and disrespectful. That’s okay. I’m used to it. But what does it get YOU other than a brief “ha, I told HER” feeling? I’ll just be another amazing teacher out the door when we’re here on DCUM bemoaning the fact our schools can’t keep strong teachers.

Because when all the insults are out, the truth remains: teachers are fleeing the classroom, and we all lose.

Now you want to get paid extra for doing your job.

Way to miss the point, but I suspect you aren’t really trying to get it.

But I’ll play along. No, some of it isn’t my job. I actually don’t have to write a single recommendation letter. It isn’t in my contract, yet it takes me over 40 unpaid hours of work each year.

And I’m contracted for 40 hours a week, yet I work 65. So that extra 25 is also a gift to the school since I’m giving a far better product than what they pay for.

So try again. Lazy attempt.

Woe is me!

West county parent with too much time on their hands and no empathy for others.

Lazy complaining teacher who demonstrates that she sucks in the classroom.

LOL. Lazy complaining parent who is clueless.

LOL. Except this parent did work in a multiple schools and knows about lazy complaining clueless teachers like yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

And...you make how much? Riiiiggght.
-DP who is not a teacher.

I’m an insurance adjuster and I don’t have the perks that a teacher gets while they are working or after they get when they can retire after so many years. Nor do I have months off or holidays.

For the final time:
It isn’t “months off”. It’s unpaid. We are 10-month employees. And if you love this perk, explain why you haven’t switched to teaching? (Then you, too, can get a 2nd job for those months like many of us do.)

Most of us don’t make it to retirement because of burnout, so we don’t see those glorious pensions you’re probably thinking of.

And time off? If I’m sick, I have to spend 2 hours making sub plans, just to spend 3 hours grading them. So a day off work actually costs me 5 hours. And I’m not even guaranteed a sub.

The amount of time you complain is outstanding.
Why should you get paid for not working those months? I know plenty of teachers who are working until retirement including a good friend, my child’s tutor, and family member; you simply cant take working.

Fine. I shouldn’t get paid if I am not working. Then can I get paid for when I AM working?

I spend 2-3 full weeks each summer revamping lessons and writing college recommendation letters. Should I get paid for that?

I work 8-10 hours each Saturday. Should I get overtime for that?

So here’s where you are messing up:
You can be rude and disrespectful. That’s okay. I’m used to it. But what does it get YOU other than a brief “ha, I told HER” feeling? I’ll just be another amazing teacher out the door when we’re here on DCUM bemoaning the fact our schools can’t keep strong teachers.

Because when all the insults are out, the truth remains: teachers are fleeing the classroom, and we all lose.

Now you want to get paid extra for doing your job.

Way to miss the point, but I suspect you aren’t really trying to get it.

But I’ll play along. No, some of it isn’t my job. I actually don’t have to write a single recommendation letter. It isn’t in my contract, yet it takes me over 40 unpaid hours of work each year.

And I’m contracted for 40 hours a week, yet I work 65. So that extra 25 is also a gift to the school since I’m giving a far better product than what they pay for.

So try again. Lazy attempt.

You didn’t know that you have to grade papers outside of school hours? You didn’t know that student recommendation letters are needed from you? These are not new concepts to teaching. You want to clock in at 8 and out at 3. Work at a preschool; I’m sure there are jobs there.

I don’t think any teacher enters the profession assuming they only get 45 minutes a day to do 20 hours of work a week. They don’t really tell you that when you sign your contract.

It’s clear you find this acceptable. Teachers don’t. And they have other options, and they are taking them.

Since you clearly think the workload is reasonable and the perks are wonderful, then I suggest you to apply. Trust me, we’ve left you a choice of classrooms! And with more leaving this year, you can breeze into teaching whatever grade level/subject you want to teach.

Good, the students don’t need resentful, whiny asses who are shocked at having to grade papers and read essays as a teacher.

You should homeschool.

You first.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

I’m sure you have more than 45 minutes a day to do this task. After I have pointless meetings and go to the bathroom, I might get 5 minutes a day without students in my classroom to grade. On a good day.

And you think teachers are the only employees to have pointless meetings? You’re out of touch.

My DH has lots of pointless meetings but that is his job. It isn’t taking the place of other work. The more pointless meetings they force teachers to attend, the less time they have to plan and grade and communicate with parents. We never used to have all of these meetings. Our planning time was our own. Now we tell about the same data from week to week because someone in the central office says we need to have twice a week data meetings.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

And...you make how much? Riiiiggght.
-DP who is not a teacher.

I’m an insurance adjuster and I don’t have the perks that a teacher gets while they are working or after they get when they can retire after so many years. Nor do I have months off or holidays.

For the final time:
It isn’t “months off”. It’s unpaid. We are 10-month employees. And if you love this perk, explain why you haven’t switched to teaching? (Then you, too, can get a 2nd job for those months like many of us do.)

Most of us don’t make it to retirement because of burnout, so we don’t see those glorious pensions you’re probably thinking of.

And time off? If I’m sick, I have to spend 2 hours making sub plans, just to spend 3 hours grading them. So a day off work actually costs me 5 hours. And I’m not even guaranteed a sub.

The amount of time you complain is outstanding.
Why should you get paid for not working those months? I know plenty of teachers who are working until retirement including a good friend, my child’s tutor, and family member; you simply cant take working.

Fine. I shouldn’t get paid if I am not working. Then can I get paid for when I AM working?

I spend 2-3 full weeks each summer revamping lessons and writing college recommendation letters. Should I get paid for that?

I work 8-10 hours each Saturday. Should I get overtime for that?

So here’s where you are messing up:
You can be rude and disrespectful. That’s okay. I’m used to it. But what does it get YOU other than a brief “ha, I told HER” feeling? I’ll just be another amazing teacher out the door when we’re here on DCUM bemoaning the fact our schools can’t keep strong teachers.

Because when all the insults are out, the truth remains: teachers are fleeing the classroom, and we all lose.

Now you want to get paid extra for doing your job.

Way to miss the point, but I suspect you aren’t really trying to get it.

But I’ll play along. No, some of it isn’t my job. I actually don’t have to write a single recommendation letter. It isn’t in my contract, yet it takes me over 40 unpaid hours of work each year.

And I’m contracted for 40 hours a week, yet I work 65. So that extra 25 is also a gift to the school since I’m giving a far better product than what they pay for.

So try again. Lazy attempt.

You didn’t know that you have to grade papers outside of school hours? You didn’t know that student recommendation letters are needed from you? These are not new concepts to teaching. You want to clock in at 8 and out at 3. Work at a preschool; I’m sure there are jobs there.

I don’t think any teacher enters the profession assuming they only get 45 minutes a day to do 20 hours of work a week. They don’t really tell you that when you sign your contract.

It’s clear you find this acceptable. Teachers don’t. And they have other options, and they are taking them.

Since you clearly think the workload is reasonable and the perks are wonderful, then I suggest you to apply. Trust me, we’ve left you a choice of classrooms! And with more leaving this year, you can breeze into teaching whatever grade level/subject you want to teach.

Good, the students don’t need resentful, whiny asses who are shocked at having to grade papers and read essays as a teacher.

That's not what teachers have a problem with. It's all the waste of time meetings, documenting the documentation, no student/parent accountability, and emphasis on useless data. If teachers were just allowed to focus on teaching without all the headaches, we wouldn't have these staffing issues. But without all these useless meetings, canned curriculum, professional development, we wouldn't have all those super helpful central office 6 figure jobs at Hungerford and Gude.

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All the teachers go bye bye bc teaching is a horrible profession where abuse of the employee is expected

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have had amazing teachers who tend to be popular and well supported by parents, and terrible teachers who tend to be unpopular with students and parents. It’s like that at least in my kids’ schools. I’ve learned to be ready to jump in to supplement and—in extreme circumstances—unenroll them.

Mcps teacher pay seems generous the longer you work, so not feeling too sorry for them in that respect.

Is it still good pay if they are working 65 hours a week? With few breaks during the school day? And little flexibility when it comes to time off?

“Generous” is quite a word to use.

Teachers get more time off than the traditional workforce. Everyone knows this, fool.

Me:
65 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2600 hours

My “traditional workforce” DH:
40 hours a week x 50 weeks = 2000 hours

I’m not sure how math works for you, but my “foolish” math shows me working far more than my DH.

What I know, foolish as I am, is that my full year of work is compacted into 10 packed months with limited flexibility.

But you are so much wiser than me, so I guess math works differently for you.

You aren’t working 65 hours per week and certainly not regularly, lying liar.

I know it’s easier to degrade me when you think I’m lazy.

I grade essays. Stacks of them. Since I haven’t figured out magic yet, I actually have to read and comment on each one.

So, figuring 50 essays at 15 minutes each, that’s 12.5 hours of grading for that assignment alone. And I have 90 additional students turning in paragraphs for an additional 7.5 hours of grading. So that’s 20 hours of grading. I also have to plan, meet with students, email parents, attend grade level meetings, and occasionally come up for air.

And I repeat this cycle every 2-3 weeks.

So please don’t tell me about my job. If you haven’t taught, you simply don’t know. You. Don’t. Know.

And?
These aren’t outside of a teacher’s responsibility.
I have to read legal documents, edit, file, re-edit often, file again. This cycle is repeated daily. Meet with clients, attend meetings, plan, travel, and occasionally come up for air.
You are not special.

I’m sure you have more than 45 minutes a day to do this task. After I have pointless meetings and go to the bathroom, I might get 5 minutes a day without students in my classroom to grade. On a good day.

And you think teachers are the only employees to have pointless meetings? You’re out of touch.

My DH has lots of pointless meetings but that is his job. It isn’t taking the place of other work. The more pointless meetings they force teachers to attend, the less time they have to plan and grade and communicate with parents. We never used to have all of these meetings. Our planning time was our own. Now we tell about the same data from week to week because someone in the central office says we need to have twice a week data meetings.

And you don’t think this happens at other places of work? That teachers have the monopoly on worthless meetings that take up their work time hours?! You’re a fool.

Oh good… the “fool” poster is back. Does insulting people usually work for you?

You have posted multiple times telling teachers how good they have it. Why haven’t you applied? That’s a serious question. For the time you have invested trying to convince teachers they have it good, you could have gotten your resume together.

I have three more quitting my department at the end of the year. Join us. Seriously.

For the time you invested trying to convince me they don’t have it good, you could have gotten your resume together. Why haven’t you applied elsewhere? That’s a serious question.

Right now, I’m staying because I happen to be VERY GOOD at what I do. That doesn’t mean I appreciate being abused, and I tend to speak out when things are wrong.

I don’t need to leave. I need people who are ignorant of teacher working conditions to remain silent or come get some first-hand experience.

And I am aware of teacher’s work so don’t tell me to stay silent. I made it very clear that I worked at multiple schools. You can stay silent and I can tell you to leave if you don’t like your job.

This is an anonymous forum; therefore, you’ve made nothing “very clear.” And unless you have taught in those schools, taking the work home and being directly responsible for curricula, then do you really know?

And no, I won’t remain silent. I solve problems. The current problem is teacher shortages because of the conditions you refuse to accept as real.