Yield Protection

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Anonymous wrote:Yield protection = how people convince themselves their kid was too good for that selective school when they actually got the expected, most common outcome.

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It’s a face-saving expression for a lot of parents who deluded themselves into thinking their kid was better than they actually were.

How do you explain it when a kid is rejected to somewhere like Holy Cross and admitted into 3 ivies: Yale, Cornell and Brown?

The explanation is that in that year, Holy Cross had different priorities in building its class than those Ivies. Or they blew off demonstrating interest. Or they whiffed the interview.

DI = Yield protection

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Anonymous wrote:The two schools with very obvious yield protection at our private, based on Scattergrams, were Tulane and Northeastern, only the middle third of the class was green territory. This was for 2023 cycle, so basically the first three years post covid.

Northeastern get 100K apps from high stat kids and acceptance rate is mid single digit for Boston campus.
You can call it yield protection or whatever but the school has luxury to pick and choose right students with high stats for the school who want to be there.

Actual the ED1 acceptance rate for the Boston campus is over 40 percent, NE takes almost no one RD which artificially lowers its acceptance rate.

Applying ED is an ultimate demonstration or in fact, proof that the students really like the school and a great fit.
When you see these high stats kids, why would you pass that?
I can't blame the schools.

ED was invented by UPenn and Ivies. If you don't like ED, blame them.
They created all sort of tactics and we have what we have today thanks to them.

You meant to say the lower Ivies invented it to try to grab top students who actually would have preferred HYP but wanted a surer thing. If ED were abolished, there are other ways to show demonstrated interest without getting pigeonholed.

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DDs classmate got into Princeton, rejected from Emory. Sounds like YP to me.

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Anonymous wrote:We're in NY state (public) and according to our school's Naviance stats, Washington University of St. Louis is a big yield protect school.

It's not a super popular school for us, but in the past three years, Wash U accepted a handful of students in the 1330-1400 range with 3.91+ . . . but denied or WL quite a few more with 1500+ and 3.95+

When we dug in to the scattergrams of admit/WL/deny for our school, Wash U seemed like a genuine outlier re yield protection. Curious what others have seen.

Very likely Wash U applicants were TO. You can’t tell that from Scattergrams.

Obviously you can’t know why it was a no for an applicant, but we weee surprised that our 1500+, high rigor, etc etc kid didn’t get into Wash. CS/Engineering was probably part of it. But the TO environment didn’t help. And maybe not many from our public didn’t help either.

You: it’s not a popular school for your kid’s HS

And: a few lower stats kids got in AND Wash U denied quite a few higher stays kids.

Sounds like quite a few kids from your HS applied

Sorry, I forgot to say I was a new poster commenting. Different person. I have no idea if any kids went there from our school. None on the Instagram. I was speculating about Wash U after I read the other poster’s comment since our high stats kid didn’t get in.

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Anonymous wrote:Yield protection = how people convince themselves their kid was too good for that selective school when they actually got the expected, most common outcome.

+1000
It’s a face-saving expression for a lot of parents who deluded themselves into thinking their kid was better than they actually were.

How do you explain it when a kid is rejected to somewhere like Holy Cross and admitted into 3 ivies: Yale, Cornell and Brown?

The explanation is that in that year, Holy Cross had different priorities in building its class than those Ivies. Or they blew off demonstrating interest. Or they whiffed the interview.

DI = Yield protection

AO here. In my admittedly limited experience with using DI, it's a list/score of interactions. That info is part of your consideration when you're going over a file. I think you're thinking that there's a "reject" zone for DI that says the student didn't interact enough and that's not the case. So using DI is not the same as yield protection.

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Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

Next someone will say that VT doesn't care about DI. VT does care about DI AND yield protects regardless of what a lot VT cheerleaders come on here to say. If the department that your son is interested in has any sessions at all, make sure you attend to show interest even if you have attended a similar event previously. Engage with the department staff.

A lot of schools yield protect even though their stated policy may be "we don't yield protect". What are you going to do? Sue them? Kinda hard to prove your case given the opacity of the process. Don't really blame them though. A school that doesn't yield protect would pretty much admit every student that meets their academic/other threshold/standard for admission and deal with the consequences of low yield and waitlist management. Tech chooses not to do that and that's fine. People just need to be aware of this and plan accordingly.

If you are making the positive claim that a school yield protects, it's your job to prove it does, not our job to prove it doesn't. And as you say, it's going to be hard to prove your case. In fact, nobody has proven any school yield protects, it's just the all-purpose excuse for why kids who "should" have been admitted were denied.

Big and well-regarded state schools like VT and UVA have no need to yield protect. They have large pools of highly qualified applicants who are happy to attend due to the relatively low cost. If one kid out of 20,000+ who gets an offer turns it down, that won't even more the needle on VT yield rate.

How, if at all, do you distinguish yield protection from considering demonstrated interest?

Yield protection is rejecting someone before they can reject you. Demonstrated interest is identifying someone who is interested in you. Both are intended to increase yield, but the latter falls into the yield management category, along with ED and things like admitted student days.

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Anonymous wrote:DDs classmate got into Princeton, rejected from Emory. Sounds like YP to me.

Or maybe Emory has an 11% admit rate and lots of highly qualified applicants so it’s unlikely that any given strong applicant among many will be admitted no matter where else they got in.

Math is hard, let’s go shopping!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yield protection = how people convince themselves their kid was too good for that selective school when they actually got the expected, most common outcome.

+1000
It’s a face-saving expression for a lot of parents who deluded themselves into thinking their kid was better than they actually were.

How do you explain it when a kid is rejected to somewhere like Holy Cross and admitted into 3 ivies: Yale, Cornell and Brown?

The explanation is that in that year, Holy Cross had different priorities in building its class than those Ivies. Or they blew off demonstrating interest. Or they whiffed the interview.

No, it is yield protection…and they were correct.

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Anonymous wrote:I only wish that ALL schools would use ED so that those who are really serious about attending can express that.

I only wish every family was wealthy enough that they didn’t have to consider merit aid when deciding where to attend.

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Anonymous wrote:The two schools with very obvious yield protection at our private, based on Scattergrams, were Tulane and Northeastern, only the middle third of the class was green territory. This was for 2023 cycle, so basically the first three years post covid.

Northeastern get 100K apps from high stat kids and acceptance rate is mid single digit for Boston campus.
You can call it yield protection or whatever but the school has luxury to pick and choose right students with high stats for the school who want to be there.

+1000

Yield protection does not happen at schools with single digit acceptance rates.

It happens at like a CWRU with a 35-40% acceptance rate and yield issues. For them, if you are really high stats (higher than 80-90%) and you do NOT demonstrate considerable interest, they might not accept you. They smartly figure you are likely getting into one of the 10+ t25 you applied to and going there. So unless you convince them otherwise, they will offer the spot to someone more likely to attend.

And that’s fair and reasonable, they want students who want to attend not ones who will turn them down

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yield protection = how people convince themselves their kid was too good for that selective school when they actually got the expected, most common outcome.

+1000
It’s a face-saving expression for a lot of parents who deluded themselves into thinking their kid was better than they actually were.

How do you explain it when a kid is rejected to somewhere like Holy Cross and admitted into 3 ivies: Yale, Cornell and Brown?

They didn’t convince holy cross they really wanted to attend. hC smartly figured that out and chose to admit someone who actually wants to attend

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Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

lol no

I know a 1590 female math major that was rejected by tech last round.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yield protection = how people convince themselves their kid was too good for that selective school when they actually got the expected, most common outcome.

+1000
It’s a face-saving expression for a lot of parents who deluded themselves into thinking their kid was better than they actually were.

How do you explain it when a kid is rejected to somewhere like Holy Cross and admitted into 3 ivies: Yale, Cornell and Brown?

The explanation is that in that year, Holy Cross had different priorities in building its class than those Ivies. Or they blew off demonstrating interest. Or they whiffed the interview.

DI = Yield protection

No it’s not! College want kids they accept to actually come. If your kid cannot convince them they really want to come, then of course the school is not obligated to offer admissions. That’s how it works.

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Anonymous wrote:The two schools with very obvious yield protection at our private, based on Scattergrams, were Tulane and Northeastern, only the middle third of the class was green territory. This was for 2023 cycle, so basically the first three years post covid.

Northeastern get 100K apps from high stat kids and acceptance rate is mid single digit for Boston campus.
You can call it yield protection or whatever but the school has luxury to pick and choose right students with high stats for the school who want to be there.

+1000

Yield protection does not happen at schools with single digit acceptance rates.

It happens at like a CWRU with a 35-40% acceptance rate and yield issues. For them, if you are really high stats (higher than 80-90%) and you do NOT demonstrate considerable interest, they might not accept you. They smartly figure you are likely getting into one of the 10+ t25 you applied to and going there. So unless you convince them otherwise, they will offer the spot to someone more likely to attend.

And that’s fair and reasonable, they want students who want to attend not ones who will turn them down

Tufts is 10% acceptance rate and yield protection was named for them.

Colleges can can get to a very low acceptance rate by inducing people to apply through marketing and doing things like counting incomplete applications.

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Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

DP
SAT scores don’t matter as much as GPA and the VT essays. VT does not yield protect.

According to our Navience data they clearly do, or at least overly use waitlist for high stats kids. Better chance of getting in with a 4.1/1460 than a 4.4/1560. We had 20+ waitlisted kids with over a 4.1 and over a 1500, including 4.6/1570, 4.6/1580, 4.5/1590. Also two outright rejections at 4.3/1550. Kind of crazy for a school with an average SAT of 1260.

DP. Where are you getting the bolded? This is false. Here are the actual stats:
https://research.schev.edu/iProfile/233921/Virginia-Tech

That's helpful. So it is around 1330. PrepScholar has it at 1285 and someone else had it at 1260 but I can't find it now.

And of course, the 75% SAT is 1420 - meaning 25% have SATs higher than that.