Yield Protection

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I only wish that ALL schools would use ED so that those who are really serious about attending can express that.

I only wish every family was wealthy enough that they didn’t have to consider merit aid when deciding where to attend.

That’s what the NPC is for. If you are accepted ED but can’t afford it, you can withdraw. For those of us whose kids have a definite first choice, ED is fantastic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The two schools with very obvious yield protection at our private, based on Scattergrams, were Tulane and Northeastern, only the middle third of the class was green territory. This was for 2023 cycle, so basically the first three years post covid.

Northeastern get 100K apps from high stat kids and acceptance rate is mid single digit for Boston campus.
You can call it yield protection or whatever but the school has luxury to pick and choose right students with high stats for the school who want to be there.

+1000

Yield protection does not happen at schools with single digit acceptance rates.

It happens at like a CWRU with a 35-40% acceptance rate and yield issues. For them, if you are really high stats (higher than 80-90%) and you do NOT demonstrate considerable interest, they might not accept you. They smartly figure you are likely getting into one of the 10+ t25 you applied to and going there. So unless you convince them otherwise, they will offer the spot to someone more likely to attend.

And that’s fair and reasonable, they want students who want to attend not ones who will turn them down

+1
I always laugh at the people who feel their kid should be accepted everywhere, even though it’s obvious they assume certain schools are “safeties” and use them accordingly. No one has to accept your kid or owes them anything. Wish people would get that through their heads.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

lol no

I know a 1590 female math major that was rejected by tech last round.

And? She wasn’t owed an acceptance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western

What Case does is more, they have a yield problem. Not that many want to be in Cleveland. And yes, they do end up with a lot of people who wanted T25 schools but didn't get in. Case uses merit to entice you as well. They want to make offers to students who want them. That's their job. So you must show demonstrated interest, especially if you are above the 80% for stats, otherwise they might assume you are "applying just because" and most likely will attend elsewhere. But if you show interest, you can get accepted. My 1520, 3.98UW/10 AP kid got accepted (female, engineering) and got the top Merit award. ($42K/year).

How much would it be then per year including housing?

[Anonymous]

This is the problem for high stat kids…

There are only reaches and safeties no matches.

You apply to a safety because you are concerned you won’t get into your reaches and you might not get into your first choice safety due to yield protection.

You may apply to reaches and get rejected from all.

Kind of stinks to work so hard and have this happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

Next someone will say that VT doesn't care about DI. VT does care about DI AND yield protects regardless of what a lot VT cheerleaders come on here to say. If the department that your son is interested in has any sessions at all, make sure you attend to show interest even if you have attended a similar event previously. Engage with the department staff.

A lot of schools yield protect even though their stated policy may be "we don't yield protect". What are you going to do? Sue them? Kinda hard to prove your case given the opacity of the process. Don't really blame them though..A school that doesn't yield protect would pretty much admit every student that meets their academic/other threshold/standard for admission and deal with the consequences of low yield and waitlist management. Tech chooses not to do that and that's fine. People just need to be aware of this and plan accordingly.

If VT admitted every student that is in their profile, they would over enroll every year. Having the stats isn’t enough. If your kid had the stats and didn’t get in it’s not because of yield protection, it’s because that’s how selective admissions works. You can accept reality and move on or keep going in circles.

So you do admit they don't admit people that may fit their profile of an admitted student but they choose to not offer admission because that kid likely won't attend? That's the very definition of yield protection. And get over the stupid notion that these kids only have stats but are deficient in other ways. That might have worked in 1970 but no longer. Every high stats kid knows the game and plays it well.

No. That’s not what I said. Having the stats is only the starting point. VT reserves the right to reject a high stats kid that writes a bad essay or has boring activities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

lol no

I know a 1590 female math major that was rejected by tech last round.

And? She wasn’t owed an acceptance.

Honestly, no one on here has ever said their kid was owed admission. They just said some schools, including Tech, clearly yield protect. A school with a 57% acceptance rate is not turning down a 4.6/1590 kid based on merit (or essays). They just don't think the kid will enroll. It is fine, they should just own it. To argue that they are not is laughable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the problem for high stat kids…

There are only reaches and safeties no matches.

You apply to a safety because you are concerned you won’t get into your reaches and you might not get into your first choice safety due to yield protection.

You may apply to reaches and get rejected from all.

Kind of stinks to work so hard and have this happen.

Get a grip. High stat kids have thousands of colleges to choose from. Please stop and seek help if necessary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

Next someone will say that VT doesn't care about DI. VT does care about DI AND yield protects regardless of what a lot VT cheerleaders come on here to say. If the department that your son is interested in has any sessions at all, make sure you attend to show interest even if you have attended a similar event previously. Engage with the department staff.

A lot of schools yield protect even though their stated policy may be "we don't yield protect". What are you going to do? Sue them? Kinda hard to prove your case given the opacity of the process. Don't really blame them though..A school that doesn't yield protect would pretty much admit every student that meets their academic/other threshold/standard for admission and deal with the consequences of low yield and waitlist management. Tech chooses not to do that and that's fine. People just need to be aware of this and plan accordingly.

If VT admitted every student that is in their profile, they would over enroll every year. Having the stats isn’t enough. If your kid had the stats and didn’t get in it’s not because of yield protection, it’s because that’s how selective admissions works. You can accept reality and move on or keep going in circles.

So you do admit they don't admit people that may fit their profile of an admitted student but they choose to not offer admission because that kid likely won't attend? That's the very definition of yield protection. And get over the stupid notion that these kids only have stats but are deficient in other ways. That might have worked in 1970 but no longer. Every high stats kid knows the game and plays it well.

No. That’s not what I said. Having the stats is only the starting point. VT reserves the right to reject a high stats kid that writes a bad essay or has boring activities.

Was waiting for someone to spew this bullsh*t. A 1590 kid, who likely got into school(s) tiers above Tech, suddenly 'writes a bad essay or has boring activities'? Occom's razor. Look it up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

lol no

I know a 1590 female math major that was rejected by tech last round.

And? She wasn’t owed an acceptance.

Honestly, no one on here has ever said their kid was owed admission. They just said some schools, including Tech, clearly yield protect. A school with a 57% acceptance rate is not turning down a 4.6/1590 kid based on merit (or essays). They just don't think the kid will enroll. It is fine, they should just own it. To argue that they are not is laughable.

+1. If you haven't realized by now.. you CANNOT
- Say that Tech yield protects
- Say that Tech is your child's safety

If you do, "they" will hound you out of DCUM.

I'd say Tech is an anamoly with higher demand that it's ranking and profile deserve. Rutgers, Ohio State, Penn State, etc. have ranked above tech forever but are far easier to get into and more predictable. Gotta tell you though.. the Tech parents' groups on FB are fantastic. Way more helpful and committed than others we are a part of.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

Next someone will say that VT doesn't care about DI. VT does care about DI AND yield protects regardless of what a lot VT cheerleaders come on here to say. If the department that your son is interested in has any sessions at all, make sure you attend to show interest even if you have attended a similar event previously. Engage with the department staff.

A lot of schools yield protect even though their stated policy may be "we don't yield protect". What are you going to do? Sue them? Kinda hard to prove your case given the opacity of the process. Don't really blame them though..A school that doesn't yield protect would pretty much admit every student that meets their academic/other threshold/standard for admission and deal with the consequences of low yield and waitlist management. Tech chooses not to do that and that's fine. People just need to be aware of this and plan accordingly.

If VT admitted every student that is in their profile, they would over enroll every year. Having the stats isn’t enough. If your kid had the stats and didn’t get in it’s not because of yield protection, it’s because that’s how selective admissions works. You can accept reality and move on or keep going in circles.

So you do admit they don't admit people that may fit their profile of an admitted student but they choose to not offer admission because that kid likely won't attend? That's the very definition of yield protection. And get over the stupid notion that these kids only have stats but are deficient in other ways. That might have worked in 1970 but no longer. Every high stats kid knows the game and plays it well.

No. That’s not what I said. Having the stats is only the starting point. VT reserves the right to reject a high stats kid that writes a bad essay or has boring activities.

Was waiting for someone to spew this bullsh*t. A 1590 kid, who likely got into school(s) tiers above Tech, suddenly 'writes a bad essay or has boring activities'? Occom's razor. Look it up.

1590 isn't enough. VT has their own essay that can determine admission or rejection. If that essay is written poorly or the kid comes across as a bad fit for VT, the kid is getting rejected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the problem for high stat kids…

There are only reaches and safeties no matches.

You apply to a safety because you are concerned you won’t get into your reaches and you might not get into your first choice safety due to yield protection.

You may apply to reaches and get rejected from all.

Kind of stinks to work so hard and have this happen.

Get a grip. High stat kids have thousands of colleges to choose from. Please stop and seek help if necessary.

New poster: genuinely high stats kids who have worked hard (versus all As for all) are usually not interested in those “thousands of colleges.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

Next someone will say that VT doesn't care about DI. VT does care about DI AND yield protects regardless of what a lot VT cheerleaders come on here to say. If the department that your son is interested in has any sessions at all, make sure you attend to show interest even if you have attended a similar event previously. Engage with the department staff.

A lot of schools yield protect even though their stated policy may be "we don't yield protect". What are you going to do? Sue them? Kinda hard to prove your case given the opacity of the process. Don't really blame them though..A school that doesn't yield protect would pretty much admit every student that meets their academic/other threshold/standard for admission and deal with the consequences of low yield and waitlist management. Tech chooses not to do that and that's fine. People just need to be aware of this and plan accordingly.

If VT admitted every student that is in their profile, they would over enroll every year. Having the stats isn’t enough. If your kid had the stats and didn’t get in it’s not because of yield protection, it’s because that’s how selective admissions works. You can accept reality and move on or keep going in circles.

So you do admit they don't admit people that may fit their profile of an admitted student but they choose to not offer admission because that kid likely won't attend? That's the very definition of yield protection. And get over the stupid notion that these kids only have stats but are deficient in other ways. That might have worked in 1970 but no longer. Every high stats kid knows the game and plays it well.

No. That’s not what I said. Having the stats is only the starting point. VT reserves the right to reject a high stats kid that writes a bad essay or has boring activities.

Was waiting for someone to spew this bullsh*t. A 1590 kid, who likely got into school(s) tiers above Tech, suddenly 'writes a bad essay or has boring activities'? Occom's razor. Look it up.

1590 isn't enough. VT has their own essay that can determine admission or rejection. If that essay is written poorly or the kid comes across as a bad fit for VT, the kid is getting rejected.

Again, this is nonsense. The supplementals are say something about community service, diversity, and leadership in 120 words. No 4.6/1590 kid is submitting a poorly written 120 word essay on those topics. They are the same supplemental topics more or less that every other school uses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the problem for high stat kids…

There are only reaches and safeties no matches.

You apply to a safety because you are concerned you won’t get into your reaches and you might not get into your first choice safety due to yield protection.

You may apply to reaches and get rejected from all.

Kind of stinks to work so hard and have this happen.

Get a grip. High stat kids have thousands of colleges to choose from. Please stop and seek help if necessary.

New poster: genuinely high stats kids who have worked hard (versus all As for all) are usually not interested in those “thousands of colleges.”

Why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

Next someone will say that VT doesn't care about DI. VT does care about DI AND yield protects regardless of what a lot VT cheerleaders come on here to say. If the department that your son is interested in has any sessions at all, make sure you attend to show interest even if you have attended a similar event previously. Engage with the department staff.

A lot of schools yield protect even though their stated policy may be "we don't yield protect". What are you going to do? Sue them? Kinda hard to prove your case given the opacity of the process. Don't really blame them though..A school that doesn't yield protect would pretty much admit every student that meets their academic/other threshold/standard for admission and deal with the consequences of low yield and waitlist management. Tech chooses not to do that and that's fine. People just need to be aware of this and plan accordingly.

If VT admitted every student that is in their profile, they would over enroll every year. Having the stats isn’t enough. If your kid had the stats and didn’t get in it’s not because of yield protection, it’s because that’s how selective admissions works. You can accept reality and move on or keep going in circles.

So you do admit they don't admit people that may fit their profile of an admitted student but they choose to not offer admission because that kid likely won't attend? That's the very definition of yield protection. And get over the stupid notion that these kids only have stats but are deficient in other ways. That might have worked in 1970 but no longer. Every high stats kid knows the game and plays it well.

No. That’s not what I said. Having the stats is only the starting point. VT reserves the right to reject a high stats kid that writes a bad essay or has boring activities.

Was waiting for someone to spew this bullsh*t. A 1590 kid, who likely got into school(s) tiers above Tech, suddenly 'writes a bad essay or has boring activities'? Occom's razor. Look it up.

1590 isn't enough. VT has their own essay that can determine admission or rejection. If that essay is written poorly or the kid comes across as a bad fit for VT, the kid is getting rejected.

Again, this is nonsense. The supplementals are say something about community service, diversity, and leadership in 120 words. No 4.6/1590 kid is submitting a poorly written 120 word essay on those topics. They are the same supplemental topics more or less that every other school uses.

You read each essay submitted to VT and can speak to the quality of each of them? Who said VT is looking for the same response as other places? Who said you get to decide what is considered nonsense?