Yield Protection

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Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

DP
SAT scores don’t matter as much as GPA and the VT essays. VT does not yield protect.

According to our Navience data they clearly do, or at least overly use waitlist for high stats kids. Better chance of getting in with a 4.1/1460 than a 4.4/1560. We had 20+ waitlisted kids with over a 4.1 and over a 1500, including 4.6/1570, 4.6/1580, 4.5/1590. Also two outright rejections at 4.3/1550. Kind of crazy for a school with an average SAT of 1260.

I'm seeing a huge forest of green in the top right of our naviance for VT. Over 1300 SAT and 4.0 gpa is essentially an auto-admit. Nothing about it says "yield protection". There are some waitlists in this high stats group, but given that (for example) in the group >1400 >4.3 there are about 50 admits, it is absurd to attribute the 7 waitlisted applicants to "yield protection".

Who said anything about seven? [I said it because it's on my school's naviance, idiot.] At our school for over 4.0 and over 1500 we have 29 waitlist and 4 rejections. [Does your school necessarily report it when the WL is converted into an admit or deny?] Over 4.0 and 1350-1490 is almost an auto-admit. Obviously data from one school is not dispositive, but the higher stats kids at our school are getting different results than you would expect. [Like I said, our school shows exactly what you would expect - high stats kids overwhelmingly admitted, no anomalous pattern of high stats rejections.] I'm not sure why VT people are so defensive about this. [I'm not a VT person and I'm not being "defensive" I'm pointing out you have failed to prove your claim which is triggering you.] There were a few years in recent history when VT overenrolled because they got more yield than they expected and they probably started using waitlist more to protect against overenrolling. [Their yield has been consistently dropping since 2011. Isn't "yield protection" supposed to stop that from happening?] If you want to call it yield management instead I guess that if fine. Everyone should check the data from their school and plan accordingly.

For our school VT is basically a safety for high stats kids.

You sound like the person who is triggered. Way too invested for someone who is not a VT person. I'm just posting data from our school. If you are high stats you have a higher chance of getting waitlisted than someone in their 25-75% range.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

DP
SAT scores don’t matter as much as GPA and the VT essays. VT does not yield protect.

According to our Navience data they clearly do, or at least overly use waitlist for high stats kids. Better chance of getting in with a 4.1/1460 than a 4.4/1560. We had 20+ waitlisted kids with over a 4.1 and over a 1500, including 4.6/1570, 4.6/1580, 4.5/1590. Also two outright rejections at 4.3/1550. Kind of crazy for a school with an average SAT of 1260.

Our school has similar outcomes once you hit the low to mid 1500s with high GPA, you are waitlisted. There is no way all these kids had bad essays, etc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

Good luck to him! It’s a wonderful school and I truly hope he gets in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yield protection = how people convince themselves their kid was too good for that selective school when they actually got the expected, most common outcome.

+1000
It’s a face-saving expression for a lot of parents who deluded themselves into thinking their kid was better than they actually were.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yield protection = how people convince themselves their kid was too good for that selective school when they actually got the expected, most common outcome.

+1000
It’s a face-saving expression for a lot of parents who deluded themselves into thinking their kid was better than they actually were.

How do you explain it when a kid is rejected to somewhere like Holy Cross and admitted into 3 ivies: Yale, Cornell and Brown?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

DP
SAT scores don’t matter as much as GPA and the VT essays. VT does not yield protect.

According to our Navience data they clearly do, or at least overly use waitlist for high stats kids. Better chance of getting in with a 4.1/1460 than a 4.4/1560. We had 20+ waitlisted kids with over a 4.1 and over a 1500, including 4.6/1570, 4.6/1580, 4.5/1590. Also two outright rejections at 4.3/1550. Kind of crazy for a school with an average SAT of 1260.

DP. Where are you getting the bolded? This is false. Here are the actual stats:
https://research.schev.edu/iProfile/233921/Virginia-Tech

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

Next someone will say that VT doesn't care about DI. VT does care about DI AND yield protects regardless of what a lot VT cheerleaders come on here to say. If the department that your son is interested in has any sessions at all, make sure you attend to show interest even if you have attended a similar event previously. Engage with the department staff.

A lot of schools yield protect even though their stated policy may be "we don't yield protect". What are you going to do? Sue them? Kinda hard to prove your case given the opacity of the process. Don't really blame them though..A school that doesn't yield protect would pretty much admit every student that meets their academic/other threshold/standard for admission and deal with the consequences of low yield and waitlist management. Tech chooses not to do that and that's fine. People just need to be aware of this and plan accordingly.

DP. What you are saying makes sense. It's disappointing, to say the least, that VT lies about this, both on the website and in its Common Data Set.

Oh, here we go again. No one is lying to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

Next someone will say that VT doesn't care about DI. VT does care about DI AND yield protects regardless of what a lot VT cheerleaders come on here to say. If the department that your son is interested in has any sessions at all, make sure you attend to show interest even if you have attended a similar event previously. Engage with the department staff.

A lot of schools yield protect even though their stated policy may be "we don't yield protect". What are you going to do? Sue them? Kinda hard to prove your case given the opacity of the process. Don't really blame them though. A school that doesn't yield protect would pretty much admit every student that meets their academic/other threshold/standard for admission and deal with the consequences of low yield and waitlist management. Tech chooses not to do that and that's fine. People just need to be aware of this and plan accordingly.

If you are making the positive claim that a school yield protects, it's your job to prove it does, not our job to prove it doesn't. And as you say, it's going to be hard to prove your case. In fact, nobody has proven any school yield protects, it's just the all-purpose excuse for why kids who "should" have been admitted were denied.

Big and well-regarded state schools like VT and UVA have no need to yield protect. They have large pools of highly qualified applicants who are happy to attend due to the relatively low cost. If one kid out of 20,000+ who gets an offer turns it down, that won't even more the needle on VT yield rate.

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Louder for those with the chips on their shoulders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

Next someone will say that VT doesn't care about DI. VT does care about DI AND yield protects regardless of what a lot VT cheerleaders come on here to say. If the department that your son is interested in has any sessions at all, make sure you attend to show interest even if you have attended a similar event previously. Engage with the department staff.

A lot of schools yield protect even though their stated policy may be "we don't yield protect". What are you going to do? Sue them? Kinda hard to prove your case given the opacity of the process. Don't really blame them though..A school that doesn't yield protect would pretty much admit every student that meets their academic/other threshold/standard for admission and deal with the consequences of low yield and waitlist management. Tech chooses not to do that and that's fine. People just need to be aware of this and plan accordingly.

If VT admitted every student that is in their profile, they would over enroll every year. Having the stats isn’t enough. If your kid had the stats and didn’t get in it’s not because of yield protection, it’s because that’s how selective admissions works. You can accept reality and move on or keep going in circles.

So you do admit they don't admit people that may fit their profile of an admitted student but they choose to not offer admission because that kid likely won't attend? That's the very definition of yield protection. And get over the stupid notion that these kids only have stats but are deficient in other ways. That might have worked in 1970 but no longer. Every high stats kid knows the game and plays it well.

Someone whose kid was rejected ^^. Please move on.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

DP
SAT scores don’t matter as much as GPA and the VT essays. VT does not yield protect.

According to our Navience data they clearly do, or at least overly use waitlist for high stats kids. Better chance of getting in with a 4.1/1460 than a 4.4/1560. We had 20+ waitlisted kids with over a 4.1 and over a 1500, including 4.6/1570, 4.6/1580, 4.5/1590. Also two outright rejections at 4.3/1550. Kind of crazy for a school with an average SAT of 1260.

I'm seeing a huge forest of green in the top right of our naviance for VT. Over 1300 SAT and 4.0 gpa is essentially an auto-admit. Nothing about it says "yield protection". There are some waitlists in this high stats group, but given that (for example) in the group >1400 >4.3 there are about 50 admits, it is absurd to attribute the 7 waitlisted applicants to "yield protection".

Who said anything about seven? [I said it because it's on my school's naviance, idiot.] At our school for over 4.0 and over 1500 we have 29 waitlist and 4 rejections. [Does your school necessarily report it when the WL is converted into an admit or deny?] Over 4.0 and 1350-1490 is almost an auto-admit. Obviously data from one school is not dispositive, but the higher stats kids at our school are getting different results than you would expect. [Like I said, our school shows exactly what you would expect - high stats kids overwhelmingly admitted, no anomalous pattern of high stats rejections.] I'm not sure why VT people are so defensive about this. [I'm not a VT person and I'm not being "defensive" I'm pointing out you have failed to prove your claim which is triggering you.] There were a few years in recent history when VT overenrolled because they got more yield than they expected and they probably started using waitlist more to protect against overenrolling. [Their yield has been consistently dropping since 2011. Isn't "yield protection" supposed to stop that from happening?] If you want to call it yield management instead I guess that if fine. Everyone should check the data from their school and plan accordingly.

For our school VT is basically a safety for high stats kids.

Not at ours. It’s the first choice school for many high-stats kids. Think of it as a safety at your peril.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yield protection = how people convince themselves their kid was too good for that selective school when they actually got the expected, most common outcome.

+1000
It’s a face-saving expression for a lot of parents who deluded themselves into thinking their kid was better than they actually were.

How do you explain it when a kid is rejected to somewhere like Holy Cross and admitted into 3 ivies: Yale, Cornell and Brown?

I know nothing about Holy Cross so I have no answer for you. But let me ask you: would the kid have gone there over YCB, had he been accepted?

[Anonymous]

I only wish that ALL schools would use ED so that those who are really serious about attending can express that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

DP
SAT scores don’t matter as much as GPA and the VT essays. VT does not yield protect.

According to our Navience data they clearly do, or at least overly use waitlist for high stats kids. Better chance of getting in with a 4.1/1460 than a 4.4/1560. We had 20+ waitlisted kids with over a 4.1 and over a 1500, including 4.6/1570, 4.6/1580, 4.5/1590. Also two outright rejections at 4.3/1550. Kind of crazy for a school with an average SAT of 1260.

DP. Where are you getting the bolded? This is false. Here are the actual stats:
https://research.schev.edu/iProfile/233921/Virginia-Tech

That's helpful. So it is around 1330. PrepScholar has it at 1285 and someone else had it at 1260 but I can't find it now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yield protection = how people convince themselves their kid was too good for that selective school when they actually got the expected, most common outcome.

+1000
It’s a face-saving expression for a lot of parents who deluded themselves into thinking their kid was better than they actually were.

How do you explain it when a kid is rejected to somewhere like Holy Cross and admitted into 3 ivies: Yale, Cornell and Brown?

The explanation is that in that year, Holy Cross had different priorities in building its class than those Ivies. Or they blew off demonstrating interest. Or they whiffed the interview.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:virginia tech big time

1. VT is not a safety.
2. VT does not yield-protect and says as much right on their website.

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."

https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

OP here.
I’ve heard that if you have over a 1500 SAT to watch out with VT. That’s really sad because it’s a top choice for my son. He submitted his app early (yesterday) plus we toured in Jan. Hopefully that signals to VT, that he is interested.

DP
SAT scores don’t matter as much as GPA and the VT essays. VT does not yield protect.

According to our Navience data they clearly do, or at least overly use waitlist for high stats kids. Better chance of getting in with a 4.1/1460 than a 4.4/1560. We had 20+ waitlisted kids with over a 4.1 and over a 1500, including 4.6/1570, 4.6/1580, 4.5/1590. Also two outright rejections at 4.3/1550. Kind of crazy for a school with an average SAT of 1260.

I'm seeing a huge forest of green in the top right of our naviance for VT. Over 1300 SAT and 4.0 gpa is essentially an auto-admit. Nothing about it says "yield protection". There are some waitlists in this high stats group, but given that (for example) in the group >1400 >4.3 there are about 50 admits, it is absurd to attribute the 7 waitlisted applicants to "yield protection".

Who said anything about seven? [I said it because it's on my school's naviance, idiot.] At our school for over 4.0 and over 1500 we have 29 waitlist and 4 rejections. [Does your school necessarily report it when the WL is converted into an admit or deny?] Over 4.0 and 1350-1490 is almost an auto-admit. Obviously data from one school is not dispositive, but the higher stats kids at our school are getting different results than you would expect. [Like I said, our school shows exactly what you would expect - high stats kids overwhelmingly admitted, no anomalous pattern of high stats rejections.] I'm not sure why VT people are so defensive about this. [I'm not a VT person and I'm not being "defensive" I'm pointing out you have failed to prove your claim which is triggering you.] There were a few years in recent history when VT overenrolled because they got more yield than they expected and they probably started using waitlist more to protect against overenrolling. [Their yield has been consistently dropping since 2011. Isn't "yield protection" supposed to stop that from happening?] If you want to call it yield management instead I guess that if fine. Everyone should check the data from their school and plan accordingly.

For our school VT is basically a safety for high stats kids.

You sound like the person who is triggered. Way too invested for someone who is not a VT person. I'm just posting data from our school. If you are high stats you have a higher chance of getting waitlisted than someone in their 25-75% range.

You sound like you’re still mad your kid got rejected. I hope your DC is doing well at Randolph-Macon.