College admissions

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Pp here. I read the first two posts and then clicked on the last page and just saw some comments about some private schools not having high admissions to elite colleges. The NyC elite privates and the magnets have diffficilt admissions with lots of money and legacy. Stuy and Bronx science just has a lot of smart Asian kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You're right, you don't understand. It's a lot lower than 5% for these elite schools, closer to 3%, and once you take into account pulling in legacies, athletes, first generation, and underrepresented minorities, the chances go down to nearly non-existent.

Keep telling yourself it's simply "difficult."

At St. Ann's 48% will go to an Ivy, at Colligiate in Manhattan, 50+% will go to an Ivy.
I'll keep telling myself it's [sic] simply "difficult," while you keep making excuses for mediocrity.

Hmm…St. Anne’s shows 21 of 85 kids going to Ivy schools…is your math so bad that you calculated that at 48%?

Collegiate isn’t even consider one of the elite NYC schools so I doubt it’s higher than Trinity at around 40%.

Any more made up stats for us?

Maybe that person is including schools like Duke, Johns Hopkins, Williams, etc. that can get you close to 50%. You seem really triggered by this.

I just wrote above that we know many kids getting in but they all have smart parents who also attended top colleges.

DH and I went to HYP for grad schools and T30 undergrad. We have 3 kids who are stronger than us in every way. I expect they will do equal or better than us. While Dh and I come from humble beginnings. Our kids have had every resource available to them.

Oh, hon. Seriously, spend some more time on the college board so you don't get hit with a very rude awakening.

My oldest is a standout. He is far superior than Dh and me in every way. Of course nothing is guaranteed. Dh is very active at his schools. I have full confidence this kid will do just fine with UVA as his back up. With his stats from his school, he will at least get into UVA.

We are now in it preparing for college. All of friends have kids in high school or college. What I am saying is that if you have parents who went to T30 schools, have worked in law, medicine, tech, consulting, they have all recruited and seen how impressive these kids are. My kid is as good, at least my oldest one. If your mom went to Princeton, makes millions in finance, you go to a top private school in NYC, the likelihood of you getting into Penn is higher than your kid who has perfect stats from Fairfax high trying to get into Wharton.

This all started with there is a 5% chance of getting into Harvard.

Others than pointed out that people with money, legacy, athletes etc have greater than a 5% chance…which means the real chance for an average high stats/high gpa kid is actually less than 5%.

It’s weird that you are somehow saying…don’t worry, it’s not that hard to get into these schools…just make sure your parents are rich and you attend an elite NYC private school. How does that help this conversation?

In your example, if that kid applies to Princeton their chance is 20%+ due to legacy…which just chips away at the 5% for the random kid.

these private school PPs are so confident they have figured it all out... but none of them actually has a child at harvard yet.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You're right, you don't understand. It's a lot lower than 5% for these elite schools, closer to 3%, and once you take into account pulling in legacies, athletes, first generation, and underrepresented minorities, the chances go down to nearly non-existent.

Keep telling yourself it's simply "difficult."

At St. Ann's 48% will go to an Ivy, at Colligiate in Manhattan, 50+% will go to an Ivy.
I'll keep telling myself it's [sic] simply "difficult," while you keep making excuses for mediocrity.

Hmm…St. Anne’s shows 21 of 85 kids going to Ivy schools…is your math so bad that you calculated that at 48%?

Collegiate isn’t even consider one of the elite NYC schools so I doubt it’s higher than Trinity at around 40%.

Any more made up stats for us?

Maybe that person is including schools like Duke, Johns Hopkins, Williams, etc. that can get you close to 50%. You seem really triggered by this.

I just wrote above that we know many kids getting in but they all have smart parents who also attended top colleges.

DH and I went to HYP for grad schools and T30 undergrad. We have 3 kids who are stronger than us in every way. I expect they will do equal or better than us. While Dh and I come from humble beginnings. Our kids have had every resource available to them.

Oh, hon. Seriously, spend some more time on the college board so you don't get hit with a very rude awakening.

My oldest is a standout. He is far superior than Dh and me in every way. Of course nothing is guaranteed. Dh is very active at his schools. I have full confidence this kid will do just fine with UVA as his back up. With his stats from his school, he will at least get into UVA.

We are now in it preparing for college. All of friends have kids in high school or college. What I am saying is that if you have parents who went to T30 schools, have worked in law, medicine, tech, consulting, they have all recruited and seen how impressive these kids are. My kid is as good, at least my oldest one. If your mom went to Princeton, makes millions in finance, you go to a top private school in NYC, the likelihood of you getting into Penn is higher than your kid who has perfect stats from Fairfax high trying to get into Wharton.

This all started with there is a 5% chance of getting into Harvard.

Others than pointed out that people with money, legacy, athletes etc have greater than a 5% chance…which means the real chance for an average high stats/high gpa kid is actually less than 5%.

It’s weird that you are somehow saying…don’t worry, it’s not that hard to get into these schools…just make sure your parents are rich and you attend an elite NYC private school. How does that help this conversation?

In your example, if that kid applies to Princeton their chance is 20%+ due to legacy…which just chips away at the 5% for the random kid.

This. I don't get the "making excuses for mediocrity" poster. The whole point of this conversation is how difficult it is due to circumstances out of your control, no matter how hard you have worked your ass off. "Just be wealthy and have the ideal upbringing and high school experience!" We get it, Little Johnny will be fine because he's not a poor. Sorry we scared you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You're right, you don't understand. It's a lot lower than 5% for these elite schools, closer to 3%, and once you take into account pulling in legacies, athletes, first generation, and underrepresented minorities, the chances go down to nearly non-existent.

Keep telling yourself it's simply "difficult."

At St. Ann's 48% will go to an Ivy, at Colligiate in Manhattan, 50+% will go to an Ivy.
I'll keep telling myself it's [sic] simply "difficult," while you keep making excuses for mediocrity.

Hmm…St. Anne’s shows 21 of 85 kids going to Ivy schools…is your math so bad that you calculated that at 48%?

Collegiate isn’t even consider one of the elite NYC schools so I doubt it’s higher than Trinity at around 40%.

Any more made up stats for us?

Maybe that person is including schools like Duke, Johns Hopkins, Williams, etc. that can get you close to 50%. You seem really triggered by this.

I just wrote above that we know many kids getting in but they all have smart parents who also attended top colleges.

DH and I went to HYP for grad schools and T30 undergrad. We have 3 kids who are stronger than us in every way. I expect they will do equal or better than us. While Dh and I come from humble beginnings. Our kids have had every resource available to them.

Oh, hon. Seriously, spend some more time on the college board so you don't get hit with a very rude awakening.

My oldest is a standout. He is far superior than Dh and me in every way. Of course nothing is guaranteed. Dh is very active at his schools. I have full confidence this kid will do just fine with UVA as his back up. With his stats from his school, he will at least get into UVA.

We are now in it preparing for college. All of friends have kids in high school or college. What I am saying is that if you have parents who went to T30 schools, have worked in law, medicine, tech, consulting, they have all recruited and seen how impressive these kids are. My kid is as good, at least my oldest one. If your mom went to Princeton, makes millions in finance, you go to a top private school in NYC, the likelihood of you getting into Penn is higher than your kid who has perfect stats from Fairfax high trying to get into Wharton.

This all started with there is a 5% chance of getting into Harvard.

Others than pointed out that people with money, legacy, athletes etc have greater than a 5% chance…which means the real chance for an average high stats/high gpa kid is actually less than 5%.

It’s weird that you are somehow saying…don’t worry, it’s not that hard to get into these schools…just make sure your parents are rich and you attend an elite NYC private school. How does that help this conversation?

In your example, if that kid applies to Princeton their chance is 20%+ due to legacy…which just chips away at the 5% for the random kid.

Sorry, I didn’t read the whole thread. Yes, all the kids we know getting into these top schools have well educated parents who are in the top 1%. I absolutely agree that an average kid who isn’t rich and isn’t legacy or an athlete has a less than 5% chance.

I see our friends and colleagues who all attended a T20 college or grad school have kids getting into T50 schools. Sure, there may be some kids who end up at Wake Forest or Tulane but that is the absolute rock bottom. If your dad went to Harvard law and your mom went to Wharton, the kid isn’t going to JMU.

We started with it's not that hard to get into Harvard (if you're not mediocre! Or poor God forbid) and now you're saying the worst you can do is Tulane. These are completely different conversations.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You're right, you don't understand. It's a lot lower than 5% for these elite schools, closer to 3%, and once you take into account pulling in legacies, athletes, first generation, and underrepresented minorities, the chances go down to nearly non-existent.

Keep telling yourself it's simply "difficult."

At St. Ann's 48% will go to an Ivy, at Colligiate in Manhattan, 50+% will go to an Ivy.
I'll keep telling myself it's [sic] simply "difficult," while you keep making excuses for mediocrity.

Hmm…St. Anne’s shows 21 of 85 kids going to Ivy schools…is your math so bad that you calculated that at 48%?

Collegiate isn’t even consider one of the elite NYC schools so I doubt it’s higher than Trinity at around 40%.

Any more made up stats for us?

Maybe that person is including schools like Duke, Johns Hopkins, Williams, etc. that can get you close to 50%. You seem really triggered by this.

I just wrote above that we know many kids getting in but they all have smart parents who also attended top colleges.

DH and I went to HYP for grad schools and T30 undergrad. We have 3 kids who are stronger than us in every way. I expect they will do equal or better than us. While Dh and I come from humble beginnings. Our kids have had every resource available to them.

Oh, hon. Seriously, spend some more time on the college board so you don't get hit with a very rude awakening.

My oldest is a standout. He is far superior than Dh and me in every way. Of course nothing is guaranteed. Dh is very active at his schools. I have full confidence this kid will do just fine with UVA as his back up. With his stats from his school, he will at least get into UVA.

We are now in it preparing for college. All of friends have kids in high school or college. What I am saying is that if you have parents who went to T30 schools, have worked in law, medicine, tech, consulting, they have all recruited and seen how impressive these kids are. My kid is as good, at least my oldest one. If your mom went to Princeton, makes millions in finance, you go to a top private school in NYC, the likelihood of you getting into Penn is higher than your kid who has perfect stats from Fairfax high trying to get into Wharton.

This all started with there is a 5% chance of getting into Harvard.

Others than pointed out that people with money, legacy, athletes etc have greater than a 5% chance…which means the real chance for an average high stats/high gpa kid is actually less than 5%.

It’s weird that you are somehow saying…don’t worry, it’s not that hard to get into these schools…just make sure your parents are rich and you attend an elite NYC private school. How does that help this conversation?

In your example, if that kid applies to Princeton their chance is 20%+ due to legacy…which just chips away at the 5% for the random kid.

This. I don't get the "making excuses for mediocrity" poster. The whole point of this conversation is how difficult it is due to circumstances out of your control, no matter how hard you have worked your ass off. "Just be wealthy and have the ideal upbringing and high school experience!" We get it, Little Johnny will be fine because he's not a poor. Sorry we scared you.

I don't think this is all that helpful, honestly. Wealthy trying to buy their way are dime and dozen also. Magnet kids have better chances than all but a few privates. It's mostly about the kid, really - what they are like, how smart they are - and that is a lottery of its own kind, even for uberwealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You're right, you don't understand. It's a lot lower than 5% for these elite schools, closer to 3%, and once you take into account pulling in legacies, athletes, first generation, and underrepresented minorities, the chances go down to nearly non-existent.

Keep telling yourself it's simply "difficult."

At St. Ann's 48% will go to an Ivy, at Colligiate in Manhattan, 50+% will go to an Ivy.
I'll keep telling myself it's [sic] simply "difficult," while you keep making excuses for mediocrity.

Hmm…St. Anne’s shows 21 of 85 kids going to Ivy schools…is your math so bad that you calculated that at 48%?

Collegiate isn’t even consider one of the elite NYC schools so I doubt it’s higher than Trinity at around 40%.

Any more made up stats for us?

Maybe that person is including schools like Duke, Johns Hopkins, Williams, etc. that can get you close to 50%. You seem really triggered by this.

I just wrote above that we know many kids getting in but they all have smart parents who also attended top colleges.

DH and I went to HYP for grad schools and T30 undergrad. We have 3 kids who are stronger than us in every way. I expect they will do equal or better than us. While Dh and I come from humble beginnings. Our kids have had every resource available to them.

Oh, hon. Seriously, spend some more time on the college board so you don't get hit with a very rude awakening.

My oldest is a standout. He is far superior than Dh and me in every way. Of course nothing is guaranteed. Dh is very active at his schools. I have full confidence this kid will do just fine with UVA as his back up. With his stats from his school, he will at least get into UVA.

We are now in it preparing for college. All of friends have kids in high school or college. What I am saying is that if you have parents who went to T30 schools, have worked in law, medicine, tech, consulting, they have all recruited and seen how impressive these kids are. My kid is as good, at least my oldest one. If your mom went to Princeton, makes millions in finance, you go to a top private school in NYC, the likelihood of you getting into Penn is higher than your kid who has perfect stats from Fairfax high trying to get into Wharton.

This all started with there is a 5% chance of getting into Harvard.

Others than pointed out that people with money, legacy, athletes etc have greater than a 5% chance…which means the real chance for an average high stats/high gpa kid is actually less than 5%.

It’s weird that you are somehow saying…don’t worry, it’s not that hard to get into these schools…just make sure your parents are rich and you attend an elite NYC private school. How does that help this conversation?

In your example, if that kid applies to Princeton their chance is 20%+ due to legacy…which just chips away at the 5% for the random kid.

Sorry, I didn’t read the whole thread. Yes, all the kids we know getting into these top schools have well educated parents who are in the top 1%. I absolutely agree that an average kid who isn’t rich and isn’t legacy or an athlete has a less than 5% chance.

I see our friends and colleagues who all attended a T20 college or grad school have kids getting into T50 schools. Sure, there may be some kids who end up at Wake Forest or Tulane but that is the absolute rock bottom. If your dad went to Harvard law and your mom went to Wharton, the kid isn’t going to JMU.

We started with it's not that hard to get into Harvard (if you're not mediocre! Or poor God forbid) and now you're saying the worst you can do is Tulane. These are completely different conversations.

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What happened to America? When I was coming up, all the blue collar kids dreamed of becoming lawyers, all the lawyers' kids dreamed of becoming Senators, all the politicos' kids dreamed of becoming President. Today everyone assumes that kids will take a step or 2 down. The worst offenders are actually the UMC with the most advantages. Yes, I agree this does seem like making excuses.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to America? When I was coming up, all the blue collar kids dreamed of becoming lawyers, all the lawyers' kids dreamed of becoming Senators, all the politicos' kids dreamed of becoming President. Today everyone assumes that kids will take a step or 2 down. The worst offenders are actually the UMC with the most advantages. Yes, I agree this does seem like making excuses.

There is a lot of international competition. Harvard college now has more than 25% international students.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You're right, you don't understand. It's a lot lower than 5% for these elite schools, closer to 3%, and once you take into account pulling in legacies, athletes, first generation, and underrepresented minorities, the chances go down to nearly non-existent.

Keep telling yourself it's simply "difficult."

At St. Ann's 48% will go to an Ivy, at Colligiate in Manhattan, 50+% will go to an Ivy.
I'll keep telling myself it's [sic] simply "difficult," while you keep making excuses for mediocrity.

Hmm…St. Anne’s shows 21 of 85 kids going to Ivy schools…is your math so bad that you calculated that at 48%?

Collegiate isn’t even consider one of the elite NYC schools so I doubt it’s higher than Trinity at around 40%.

Any more made up stats for us?

Maybe that person is including schools like Duke, Johns Hopkins, Williams, etc. that can get you close to 50%. You seem really triggered by this.

I just wrote above that we know many kids getting in but they all have smart parents who also attended top colleges.

DH and I went to HYP for grad schools and T30 undergrad. We have 3 kids who are stronger than us in every way. I expect they will do equal or better than us. While Dh and I come from humble beginnings. Our kids have had every resource available to them.

Oh, hon. Seriously, spend some more time on the college board so you don't get hit with a very rude awakening.

My oldest is a standout. He is far superior than Dh and me in every way. Of course nothing is guaranteed. Dh is very active at his schools. I have full confidence this kid will do just fine with UVA as his back up. With his stats from his school, he will at least get into UVA.

We are now in it preparing for college. All of friends have kids in high school or college. What I am saying is that if you have parents who went to T30 schools, have worked in law, medicine, tech, consulting, they have all recruited and seen how impressive these kids are. My kid is as good, at least my oldest one. If your mom went to Princeton, makes millions in finance, you go to a top private school in NYC, the likelihood of you getting into Penn is higher than your kid who has perfect stats from Fairfax high trying to get into Wharton.

This all started with there is a 5% chance of getting into Harvard.

Others than pointed out that people with money, legacy, athletes etc have greater than a 5% chance…which means the real chance for an average high stats/high gpa kid is actually less than 5%.

It’s weird that you are somehow saying…don’t worry, it’s not that hard to get into these schools…just make sure your parents are rich and you attend an elite NYC private school. How does that help this conversation?

In your example, if that kid applies to Princeton their chance is 20%+ due to legacy…which just chips away at the 5% for the random kid.

Sorry, I didn’t read the whole thread. Yes, all the kids we know getting into these top schools have well educated parents who are in the top 1%. I absolutely agree that an average kid who isn’t rich and isn’t legacy or an athlete has a less than 5% chance.

I see our friends and colleagues who all attended a T20 college or grad school have kids getting into T50 schools. Sure, there may be some kids who end up at Wake Forest or Tulane but that is the absolute rock bottom. If your dad went to Harvard law and your mom went to Wharton, the kid isn’t going to JMU.

We started with it's not that hard to get into Harvard (if you're not mediocre! Or poor God forbid) and now you're saying the worst you can do is Tulane. These are completely different conversations.

The OP never mentioned Harvard. People have different opinions on what is a good college. Some kids are excited to go to Penn State or VT. Some seem to think Northeastern is the new Harvard. Some parents are proud of their kids at UVA. Others would be disappointed.

In our circles of professionals, it seems like kids are getting into good schools. In our neighborhood, there are kids going to Penn, U Chicago, Harvard and Duke. These kids live in $5m houses, attend various private schools and have parents who went to similar schools. It is not all that surprising.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You're right, you don't understand. It's a lot lower than 5% for these elite schools, closer to 3%, and once you take into account pulling in legacies, athletes, first generation, and underrepresented minorities, the chances go down to nearly non-existent.

Keep telling yourself it's simply "difficult."

At St. Ann's 48% will go to an Ivy, at Colligiate in Manhattan, 50+% will go to an Ivy.
I'll keep telling myself it's [sic] simply "difficult," while you keep making excuses for mediocrity.

Hmm…St. Anne’s shows 21 of 85 kids going to Ivy schools…is your math so bad that you calculated that at 48%?

Collegiate isn’t even consider one of the elite NYC schools so I doubt it’s higher than Trinity at around 40%.

Any more made up stats for us?

Maybe that person is including schools like Duke, Johns Hopkins, Williams, etc. that can get you close to 50%. You seem really triggered by this.

I just wrote above that we know many kids getting in but they all have smart parents who also attended top colleges.

DH and I went to HYP for grad schools and T30 undergrad. We have 3 kids who are stronger than us in every way. I expect they will do equal or better than us. While Dh and I come from humble beginnings. Our kids have had every resource available to them.

Oh, hon. Seriously, spend some more time on the college board so you don't get hit with a very rude awakening.

My oldest is a standout. He is far superior than Dh and me in every way. Of course nothing is guaranteed. Dh is very active at his schools. I have full confidence this kid will do just fine with UVA as his back up. With his stats from his school, he will at least get into UVA.

We are now in it preparing for college. All of friends have kids in high school or college. What I am saying is that if you have parents who went to T30 schools, have worked in law, medicine, tech, consulting, they have all recruited and seen how impressive these kids are. My kid is as good, at least my oldest one. If your mom went to Princeton, makes millions in finance, you go to a top private school in NYC, the likelihood of you getting into Penn is higher than your kid who has perfect stats from Fairfax high trying to get into Wharton.

This all started with there is a 5% chance of getting into Harvard.

Others than pointed out that people with money, legacy, athletes etc have greater than a 5% chance…which means the real chance for an average high stats/high gpa kid is actually less than 5%.

It’s weird that you are somehow saying…don’t worry, it’s not that hard to get into these schools…just make sure your parents are rich and you attend an elite NYC private school. How does that help this conversation?

In your example, if that kid applies to Princeton their chance is 20%+ due to legacy…which just chips away at the 5% for the random kid.

Sorry, I didn’t read the whole thread. Yes, all the kids we know getting into these top schools have well educated parents who are in the top 1%. I absolutely agree that an average kid who isn’t rich and isn’t legacy or an athlete has a less than 5% chance.

I see our friends and colleagues who all attended a T20 college or grad school have kids getting into T50 schools. Sure, there may be some kids who end up at Wake Forest or Tulane but that is the absolute rock bottom. If your dad went to Harvard law and your mom went to Wharton, the kid isn’t going to JMU.

We started with it's not that hard to get into Harvard (if you're not mediocre! Or poor God forbid) and now you're saying the worst you can do is Tulane. These are completely different conversations.

The OP never mentioned Harvard. People have different opinions on what is a good college. Some kids are excited to go to Penn State or VT. Some seem to think Northeastern is the new Harvard. Some parents are proud of their kids at UVA. Others would be disappointed.

In our circles of professionals, it seems like kids are getting into good schools. In our neighborhood, there are kids going to Penn, U Chicago, Harvard and Duke. These kids live in $5m houses, attend various private schools and have parents who went to similar schools. It is not all that surprising.

You seem to find a great deal of comfort in this idea that wealthy people will have wealthy kids, basically. Maybe they are. I am just wondering why you need this clutch so badly if your son is so brilliant, as you say.

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Anonymous wrote:In our circles of professionals, it seems like kids are getting into good schools. In our neighborhood, there are kids going to Penn, U Chicago, Harvard and Duke. These kids live in $5m houses, attend various private schools and have parents who went to similar schools. It is not all that surprising.

In my Langley, Virginia neighborhood of 5M homes, it does seem like most of them attend Ivies, Stanford, U. of Chicago, Dukes, etc... They go to either UVA or VA Tech if they can't get into those schools listed earlier. So I guess money does matter, rightly or wrongly.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You're right, you don't understand. It's a lot lower than 5% for these elite schools, closer to 3%, and once you take into account pulling in legacies, athletes, first generation, and underrepresented minorities, the chances go down to nearly non-existent.

Keep telling yourself it's simply "difficult."

At St. Ann's 48% will go to an Ivy, at Colligiate in Manhattan, 50+% will go to an Ivy.
I'll keep telling myself it's [sic] simply "difficult," while you keep making excuses for mediocrity.

Hmm…St. Anne’s shows 21 of 85 kids going to Ivy schools…is your math so bad that you calculated that at 48%?

Collegiate isn’t even consider one of the elite NYC schools so I doubt it’s higher than Trinity at around 40%.

Any more made up stats for us?

Maybe that person is including schools like Duke, Johns Hopkins, Williams, etc. that can get you close to 50%. You seem really triggered by this.

I just wrote above that we know many kids getting in but they all have smart parents who also attended top colleges.

DH and I went to HYP for grad schools and T30 undergrad. We have 3 kids who are stronger than us in every way. I expect they will do equal or better than us. While Dh and I come from humble beginnings. Our kids have had every resource available to them.

Oh, hon. Seriously, spend some more time on the college board so you don't get hit with a very rude awakening.

My oldest is a standout. He is far superior than Dh and me in every way. Of course nothing is guaranteed. Dh is very active at his schools. I have full confidence this kid will do just fine with UVA as his back up. With his stats from his school, he will at least get into UVA.

We are now in it preparing for college. All of friends have kids in high school or college. What I am saying is that if you have parents who went to T30 schools, have worked in law, medicine, tech, consulting, they have all recruited and seen how impressive these kids are. My kid is as good, at least my oldest one. If your mom went to Princeton, makes millions in finance, you go to a top private school in NYC, the likelihood of you getting into Penn is higher than your kid who has perfect stats from Fairfax high trying to get into Wharton.

This all started with there is a 5% chance of getting into Harvard.

Others than pointed out that people with money, legacy, athletes etc have greater than a 5% chance…which means the real chance for an average high stats/high gpa kid is actually less than 5%.

It’s weird that you are somehow saying…don’t worry, it’s not that hard to get into these schools…just make sure your parents are rich and you attend an elite NYC private school. How does that help this conversation?

In your example, if that kid applies to Princeton their chance is 20%+ due to legacy…which just chips away at the 5% for the random kid.

Sorry, I didn’t read the whole thread. Yes, all the kids we know getting into these top schools have well educated parents who are in the top 1%. I absolutely agree that an average kid who isn’t rich and isn’t legacy or an athlete has a less than 5% chance.

I see our friends and colleagues who all attended a T20 college or grad school have kids getting into T50 schools. Sure, there may be some kids who end up at Wake Forest or Tulane but that is the absolute rock bottom. If your dad went to Harvard law and your mom went to Wharton, the kid isn’t going to JMU.

We started with it's not that hard to get into Harvard (if you're not mediocre! Or poor God forbid) and now you're saying the worst you can do is Tulane. These are completely different conversations.

The OP never mentioned Harvard. People have different opinions on what is a good college. Some kids are excited to go to Penn State or VT. Some seem to think Northeastern is the new Harvard. Some parents are proud of their kids at UVA. Others would be disappointed.

In our circles of professionals, it seems like kids are getting into good schools. In our neighborhood, there are kids going to Penn, U Chicago, Harvard and Duke. These kids live in $5m houses, attend various private schools and have parents who went to similar schools. It is not all that surprising.

You seem to find a great deal of comfort in this idea that wealthy people will have wealthy kids, basically. Maybe they are. I am just wondering why you need this clutch so badly if your son is so brilliant, as you say.

My kid is amazing. I don’t have to prove to some anonymous person that he is. My kid also has had every opportunity available to him. My DH is very successful and the top of his field. My son has extremely strong extracurricular activities handed to him by DH. Yes, some kids start off at third base. When the kid is motivated and smart, it isn’t that hard to make it to home.

I have another kid who is naturally smarter than my oldest but he is lazy with school. He is super social and very athletic. I doubt he will end up at some top college but he will likely be more successful than my oldest.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You're right, you don't understand. It's a lot lower than 5% for these elite schools, closer to 3%, and once you take into account pulling in legacies, athletes, first generation, and underrepresented minorities, the chances go down to nearly non-existent.

Keep telling yourself it's simply "difficult."

At St. Ann's 48% will go to an Ivy, at Colligiate in Manhattan, 50+% will go to an Ivy.
I'll keep telling myself it's [sic] simply "difficult," while you keep making excuses for mediocrity.

Hmm…St. Anne’s shows 21 of 85 kids going to Ivy schools…is your math so bad that you calculated that at 48%?

Collegiate isn’t even consider one of the elite NYC schools so I doubt it’s higher than Trinity at around 40%.

Any more made up stats for us?

Maybe that person is including schools like Duke, Johns Hopkins, Williams, etc. that can get you close to 50%. You seem really triggered by this.

I just wrote above that we know many kids getting in but they all have smart parents who also attended top colleges.

DH and I went to HYP for grad schools and T30 undergrad. We have 3 kids who are stronger than us in every way. I expect they will do equal or better than us. While Dh and I come from humble beginnings. Our kids have had every resource available to them.

Oh, hon. Seriously, spend some more time on the college board so you don't get hit with a very rude awakening.

My oldest is a standout. He is far superior than Dh and me in every way. Of course nothing is guaranteed. Dh is very active at his schools. I have full confidence this kid will do just fine with UVA as his back up. With his stats from his school, he will at least get into UVA.

We are now in it preparing for college. All of friends have kids in high school or college. What I am saying is that if you have parents who went to T30 schools, have worked in law, medicine, tech, consulting, they have all recruited and seen how impressive these kids are. My kid is as good, at least my oldest one. If your mom went to Princeton, makes millions in finance, you go to a top private school in NYC, the likelihood of you getting into Penn is higher than your kid who has perfect stats from Fairfax high trying to get into Wharton.

This all started with there is a 5% chance of getting into Harvard.

Others than pointed out that people with money, legacy, athletes etc have greater than a 5% chance…which means the real chance for an average high stats/high gpa kid is actually less than 5%.

It’s weird that you are somehow saying…don’t worry, it’s not that hard to get into these schools…just make sure your parents are rich and you attend an elite NYC private school. How does that help this conversation?

In your example, if that kid applies to Princeton their chance is 20%+ due to legacy…which just chips away at the 5% for the random kid.

Sorry, I didn’t read the whole thread. Yes, all the kids we know getting into these top schools have well educated parents who are in the top 1%. I absolutely agree that an average kid who isn’t rich and isn’t legacy or an athlete has a less than 5% chance.

I see our friends and colleagues who all attended a T20 college or grad school have kids getting into T50 schools. Sure, there may be some kids who end up at Wake Forest or Tulane but that is the absolute rock bottom. If your dad went to Harvard law and your mom went to Wharton, the kid isn’t going to JMU.

We started with it's not that hard to get into Harvard (if you're not mediocre! Or poor God forbid) and now you're saying the worst you can do is Tulane. These are completely different conversations.

The OP never mentioned Harvard. People have different opinions on what is a good college. Some kids are excited to go to Penn State or VT. Some seem to think Northeastern is the new Harvard. Some parents are proud of their kids at UVA. Others would be disappointed.

In our circles of professionals, it seems like kids are getting into good schools. In our neighborhood, there are kids going to Penn, U Chicago, Harvard and Duke. These kids live in $5m houses, attend various private schools and have parents who went to similar schools. It is not all that surprising.

You seem to find a great deal of comfort in this idea that wealthy people will have wealthy kids, basically. Maybe they are. I am just wondering why you need this clutch so badly if your son is so brilliant, as you say.

My kid is amazing. I don’t have to prove to some anonymous person that he is. My kid also has had every opportunity available to him. My DH is very successful and the top of his field. My son has extremely strong extracurricular activities handed to him by DH. Yes, some kids start off at third base. When the kid is motivated and smart, it isn’t that hard to make it to home.

I have another kid who is naturally smarter than my oldest but he is lazy with school. He is super social and very athletic. I doubt he will end up at some top college but he will likely be more successful than my oldest.

You don't have to prove it to me, yet here you are, writing yet another post about your kid, so full of yourself and so certain about their future.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You're right, you don't understand. It's a lot lower than 5% for these elite schools, closer to 3%, and once you take into account pulling in legacies, athletes, first generation, and underrepresented minorities, the chances go down to nearly non-existent.

Keep telling yourself it's simply "difficult."

At St. Ann's 48% will go to an Ivy, at Colligiate in Manhattan, 50+% will go to an Ivy.
I'll keep telling myself it's [sic] simply "difficult," while you keep making excuses for mediocrity.

Hmm…St. Anne’s shows 21 of 85 kids going to Ivy schools…is your math so bad that you calculated that at 48%?

Collegiate isn’t even consider one of the elite NYC schools so I doubt it’s higher than Trinity at around 40%.

Any more made up stats for us?

Maybe that person is including schools like Duke, Johns Hopkins, Williams, etc. that can get you close to 50%. You seem really triggered by this.

I just wrote above that we know many kids getting in but they all have smart parents who also attended top colleges.

DH and I went to HYP for grad schools and T30 undergrad. We have 3 kids who are stronger than us in every way. I expect they will do equal or better than us. While Dh and I come from humble beginnings. Our kids have had every resource available to them.

Oh, hon. Seriously, spend some more time on the college board so you don't get hit with a very rude awakening.

My oldest is a standout. He is far superior than Dh and me in every way. Of course nothing is guaranteed. Dh is very active at his schools. I have full confidence this kid will do just fine with UVA as his back up. With his stats from his school, he will at least get into UVA.

We are now in it preparing for college. All of friends have kids in high school or college. What I am saying is that if you have parents who went to T30 schools, have worked in law, medicine, tech, consulting, they have all recruited and seen how impressive these kids are. My kid is as good, at least my oldest one. If your mom went to Princeton, makes millions in finance, you go to a top private school in NYC, the likelihood of you getting into Penn is higher than your kid who has perfect stats from Fairfax high trying to get into Wharton.

This all started with there is a 5% chance of getting into Harvard.

Others than pointed out that people with money, legacy, athletes etc have greater than a 5% chance…which means the real chance for an average high stats/high gpa kid is actually less than 5%.

It’s weird that you are somehow saying…don’t worry, it’s not that hard to get into these schools…just make sure your parents are rich and you attend an elite NYC private school. How does that help this conversation?

In your example, if that kid applies to Princeton their chance is 20%+ due to legacy…which just chips away at the 5% for the random kid.

Sorry, I didn’t read the whole thread. Yes, all the kids we know getting into these top schools have well educated parents who are in the top 1%. I absolutely agree that an average kid who isn’t rich and isn’t legacy or an athlete has a less than 5% chance.

I see our friends and colleagues who all attended a T20 college or grad school have kids getting into T50 schools. Sure, there may be some kids who end up at Wake Forest or Tulane but that is the absolute rock bottom. If your dad went to Harvard law and your mom went to Wharton, the kid isn’t going to JMU.

We started with it's not that hard to get into Harvard (if you're not mediocre! Or poor God forbid) and now you're saying the worst you can do is Tulane. These are completely different conversations.

The OP never mentioned Harvard. People have different opinions on what is a good college. Some kids are excited to go to Penn State or VT. Some seem to think Northeastern is the new Harvard. Some parents are proud of their kids at UVA. Others would be disappointed.

In our circles of professionals, it seems like kids are getting into good schools. In our neighborhood, there are kids going to Penn, U Chicago, Harvard and Duke. These kids live in $5m houses, attend various private schools and have parents who went to similar schools. It is not all that surprising.

You seem to find a great deal of comfort in this idea that wealthy people will have wealthy kids, basically. Maybe they are. I am just wondering why you need this clutch so badly if your son is so brilliant, as you say.

My kid is amazing. I don’t have to prove to some anonymous person that he is. My kid also has had every opportunity available to him. My DH is very successful and the top of his field. My son has extremely strong extracurricular activities handed to him by DH. Yes, some kids start off at third base. When the kid is motivated and smart, it isn’t that hard to make it to home.

I have another kid who is naturally smarter than my oldest but he is lazy with school. He is super social and very athletic. I doubt he will end up at some top college but he will likely be more successful than my oldest.

You don't have to prove it to me, yet here you are, writing yet another post about your kid, so full of yourself and so certain about their future.

Shrug. I have great kids. People often ask me how I have such strong kids. They have strong parents!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You're right, you don't understand. It's a lot lower than 5% for these elite schools, closer to 3%, and once you take into account pulling in legacies, athletes, first generation, and underrepresented minorities, the chances go down to nearly non-existent.

Keep telling yourself it's simply "difficult."

At St. Ann's 48% will go to an Ivy, at Colligiate in Manhattan, 50+% will go to an Ivy.
I'll keep telling myself it's [sic] simply "difficult," while you keep making excuses for mediocrity.

Hmm…St. Anne’s shows 21 of 85 kids going to Ivy schools…is your math so bad that you calculated that at 48%?

Collegiate isn’t even consider one of the elite NYC schools so I doubt it’s higher than Trinity at around 40%.

Any more made up stats for us?

Maybe that person is including schools like Duke, Johns Hopkins, Williams, etc. that can get you close to 50%. You seem really triggered by this.

I just wrote above that we know many kids getting in but they all have smart parents who also attended top colleges.

DH and I went to HYP for grad schools and T30 undergrad. We have 3 kids who are stronger than us in every way. I expect they will do equal or better than us. While Dh and I come from humble beginnings. Our kids have had every resource available to them.

Oh, hon. Seriously, spend some more time on the college board so you don't get hit with a very rude awakening.

My oldest is a standout. He is far superior than Dh and me in every way. Of course nothing is guaranteed. Dh is very active at his schools. I have full confidence this kid will do just fine with UVA as his back up. With his stats from his school, he will at least get into UVA.

We are now in it preparing for college. All of friends have kids in high school or college. What I am saying is that if you have parents who went to T30 schools, have worked in law, medicine, tech, consulting, they have all recruited and seen how impressive these kids are. My kid is as good, at least my oldest one. If your mom went to Princeton, makes millions in finance, you go to a top private school in NYC, the likelihood of you getting into Penn is higher than your kid who has perfect stats from Fairfax high trying to get into Wharton.

This all started with there is a 5% chance of getting into Harvard.

Others than pointed out that people with money, legacy, athletes etc have greater than a 5% chance…which means the real chance for an average high stats/high gpa kid is actually less than 5%.

It’s weird that you are somehow saying…don’t worry, it’s not that hard to get into these schools…just make sure your parents are rich and you attend an elite NYC private school. How does that help this conversation?

In your example, if that kid applies to Princeton their chance is 20%+ due to legacy…which just chips away at the 5% for the random kid.

Sorry, I didn’t read the whole thread. Yes, all the kids we know getting into these top schools have well educated parents who are in the top 1%. I absolutely agree that an average kid who isn’t rich and isn’t legacy or an athlete has a less than 5% chance.

I see our friends and colleagues who all attended a T20 college or grad school have kids getting into T50 schools. Sure, there may be some kids who end up at Wake Forest or Tulane but that is the absolute rock bottom. If your dad went to Harvard law and your mom went to Wharton, the kid isn’t going to JMU.

We started with it's not that hard to get into Harvard (if you're not mediocre! Or poor God forbid) and now you're saying the worst you can do is Tulane. These are completely different conversations.

The OP never mentioned Harvard. People have different opinions on what is a good college. Some kids are excited to go to Penn State or VT. Some seem to think Northeastern is the new Harvard. Some parents are proud of their kids at UVA. Others would be disappointed.

In our circles of professionals, it seems like kids are getting into good schools. In our neighborhood, there are kids going to Penn, U Chicago, Harvard and Duke. These kids live in $5m houses, attend various private schools and have parents who went to similar schools. It is not all that surprising.

You seem to find a great deal of comfort in this idea that wealthy people will have wealthy kids, basically. Maybe they are. I am just wondering why you need this clutch so badly if your son is so brilliant, as you say.

My kid is amazing. I don’t have to prove to some anonymous person that he is. My kid also has had every opportunity available to him. My DH is very successful and the top of his field. My son has extremely strong extracurricular activities handed to him by DH. Yes, some kids start off at third base. When the kid is motivated and smart, it isn’t that hard to make it to home.

I have another kid who is naturally smarter than my oldest but he is lazy with school. He is super social and very athletic. I doubt he will end up at some top college but he will likely be more successful than my oldest.

You don't have to prove it to me, yet here you are, writing yet another post about your kid, so full of yourself and so certain about their future.

Shrug. I have great kids. People often ask me how I have such strong kids. They have strong parents!

You come from a low class family and it's obvious. Work on that.