College admissions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mediocre students don’t apply to Harvard - I know, I’m the parent of one. It’s essentially 5% of the tippy top, 4.0 students get in. That can be pretty jarring to a family who thinks that a 4.0 high stats kid has a good shot at Harvard. They still don’t, because 5% is still a long shot.

David Hogg got accepted to Harvard with a bad SAT and ok GPAs. LOL.....

But a hook of being a famous douche.

As opposed to you and your family...which are just a bunch of inconsequential, irrelevant douches.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

not impossible, but pretty difficult. the problem is also complete lack of transparency, so you don't even know what you need to do - apart from having 4.0, 10+ APs, 99% SAT - to get in. and if you try to help your kid, it looks manufactured, but if you don't, they won't know how to package themselves as having "leadership" and "impact".

I wonder about this for Ivies actually. Doesn't that focus on leadership and impact attract awful, power-hungry people? Thinking Vance and DeSantis types. Why can't a kid be bright, but have no leadership ambition and just want to be a good, solid human and member of society? You can be a great, quiet researcher whose only ambition is to work in a lab and come up with a cure to something. And ideally, politicians should be community-minded people who don't want limelight, ego and fortune. So when it comes to stuff like kids who started charities to show "impact and leadership", I think it's more impressive for a kid to have worked at a food pantry for years getting absolutely no accolades but providing needed grunt work. The system does not seem to favor humility or good values at all.

There are hundreds of colleges for this kid...why do you care if Harvard or Stanford doesn't want that kid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

not impossible, but pretty difficult. the problem is also complete lack of transparency, so you don't even know what you need to do - apart from having 4.0, 10+ APs, 99% SAT - to get in. and if you try to help your kid, it looks manufactured, but if you don't, they won't know how to package themselves as having "leadership" and "impact".

I wonder about this for Ivies actually. Doesn't that focus on leadership and impact attract awful, power-hungry people? Thinking Vance and DeSantis types. Why can't a kid be bright, but have no leadership ambition and just want to be a good, solid human and member of society? You can be a great, quiet researcher whose only ambition is to work in a lab and come up with a cure to something. And ideally, politicians should be community-minded people who don't want limelight, ego and fortune. So when it comes to stuff like kids who started charities to show "impact and leadership", I think it's more impressive for a kid to have worked at a food pantry for years getting absolutely no accolades but providing needed grunt work. The system does not seem to favor humility or good values at all.

There are hundreds of colleges for this kid...why do you care if Harvard or Stanford doesn't want that kid?

not PP, but because those schools still have the reputation that they have smart students. and they do... but they also have a lot of social climbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mediocre students don’t apply to Harvard - I know, I’m the parent of one. It’s essentially 5% of the tippy top, 4.0 students get in. That can be pretty jarring to a family who thinks that a 4.0 high stats kid has a good shot at Harvard. They still don’t, because 5% is still a long shot.

David Hogg got accepted to Harvard with a bad SAT and ok GPAs. LOL.....

But a hook of being a famous douche.

As opposed to you and your family...which are just a bunch of inconsequential, irrelevant douches.

Ooh sick burn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You’re a newbie with young kids. It is really hard to get into certain colleges today. I attended a T20 school and was accepted to a few others as well. No way would that happen to me today with the stats I had.

It's so hard to get in that 1 out of 20 applicants are doing it. (It's only hard for mediocre students.)

Mediocre students don’t apply to Harvard - I know, I’m the parent of one. It’s essentially 5% of the tippy top, 4.0 students get in. That can be pretty jarring to a family who thinks that a 4.0 high stats kid has a good shot at Harvard. They still don’t, because 5% is still a long shot.

Yup. 5% of the super high GPA, great SAT score, amazing extracurriculars, started a non-profit, etc kids. Take those kids, then pick 1 in 20. It’s essentially like a lottery at that point (not to mention the cost). Good news is that people can have great, successful lives without attending an Ivy.

Oh, and wait until they learn about hooks. Harvard takes about 1600 kids. They strive for a 50-50 gender balance, so that's 800 seats gone right there. Add recruited athletes and that's another 150 or so. Z list wealth and celebrities. Another 30-40. Legacy remains a boost for another 100 or so. Some basic racial balance issues. Thrown in the elite internationals - that is 25 percent of the class this year. So that's 400 seats gone right there. Add the necessity of domestic geographical diversity. One from each state at least. So that's another 49 seats minimum that are not going to you. Mix in some children of faculty.

Basically, for a school like Harvard, there are maybe 100 seats available for your unhooked super-bright and accomplished child from the burbs. And just a FYI, Harvard received 54,000 applications this year.

And it's not much better at the rest of the top 20 universities.

Good luck

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You’re a newbie with young kids. It is really hard to get into certain colleges today. I attended a T20 school and was accepted to a few others as well. No way would that happen to me today with the stats I had.

It's so hard to get in that 1 out of 20 applicants are doing it. (It's only hard for mediocre students.)

Mediocre students don’t apply to Harvard - I know, I’m the parent of one. It’s essentially 5% of the tippy top, 4.0 students get in. That can be pretty jarring to a family who thinks that a 4.0 high stats kid has a good shot at Harvard. They still don’t, because 5% is still a long shot.

Yup. 5% of the super high GPA, great SAT score, amazing extracurriculars, started a non-profit, etc kids. Take those kids, then pick 1 in 20. It’s essentially like a lottery at that point (not to mention the cost). Good news is that people can have great, successful lives without attending an Ivy.

Oh, and wait until they learn about hooks. Harvard takes about 1600 kids. They strive for a 50-50 gender balance, so that's 800 seats gone right there. Add recruited athletes and that's another 150 or so. Z list wealth and celebrities. Another 30-40. Legacy remains a boost for another 100 or so. Some basic racial balance issues. Thrown in the elite internationals - that is 25 percent of the class this year. So that's 400 seats gone right there. Add the necessity of domestic geographical diversity. One from each state at least. So that's another 49 seats minimum that are not going to you. Mix in some children of faculty.

Basically, for a school like Harvard, there are maybe 100 seats available for your unhooked super-bright and accomplished child from the burbs. And just a FYI, Harvard received 54,000 applications this year.

And it's not much better at the rest of the top 20 universities.

Good luck

In other news water is wet

[Anonymous]

How many children from Maryland are enrolled this year as freshmen at, say, Harvard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many children from Maryland are enrolled this year as freshmen at, say, Harvard?

3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand that College forum. Parents act like the Ivy acceptance rate is 0.00001% and that DC needs a Nobel Prize to be competitive. In fact, the Harvard acceptance rate is 5% (1 in 20 is getting in). Difficult, but hardly impossible.

You’re a newbie with young kids. It is really hard to get into certain colleges today. I attended a T20 school and was accepted to a few others as well. No way would that happen to me today with the stats I had.

It's so hard to get in that 1 out of 20 applicants are doing it. (It's only hard for mediocre students.)

Mediocre students don’t apply to Harvard - I know, I’m the parent of one. It’s essentially 5% of the tippy top, 4.0 students get in. That can be pretty jarring to a family who thinks that a 4.0 high stats kid has a good shot at Harvard. They still don’t, because 5% is still a long shot.

Yup. 5% of the super high GPA, great SAT score, amazing extracurriculars, started a non-profit, etc kids. Take those kids, then pick 1 in 20. It’s essentially like a lottery at that point (not to mention the cost). Good news is that people can have great, successful lives without attending an Ivy.

Oh, and wait until they learn about hooks. Harvard takes about 1600 kids. They strive for a 50-50 gender balance, so that's 800 seats gone right there. Add recruited athletes and that's another 150 or so. Z list wealth and celebrities. Another 30-40. Legacy remains a boost for another 100 or so. Some basic racial balance issues. Thrown in the elite internationals - that is 25 percent of the class this year. So that's 400 seats gone right there. Add the necessity of domestic geographical diversity. One from each state at least. So that's another 49 seats minimum that are not going to you. Mix in some children of faculty.

Basically, for a school like Harvard, there are maybe 100 seats available for your unhooked super-bright and accomplished child from the burbs. And just a FYI, Harvard received 54,000 applications this year.

And it's not much better at the rest of the top 20 universities.

Good luck

not your child. your girl/boy. you already took out half of the class.

not saying it's doable or anything, but since this, I think, is a useful perspective to understand the level of competition, let's do it correctly. if you take out 800 seats from the getgo you don't subtract all internationals and all athletes (assuming this is what you did). also, you don't subtract 49 states. each states doesn't have to have a "representative" of both genders.

[Anonymous]

You forgot to add how many students are accepted every year from top high schools.

Most students accepted from specific high schools are

Trinity School – NY, NY: 40%
Collegiate School – NY, NY: 40%
Brearley School – NY, NY: 37%
Horace Mann School – Bronx, NY: 36%
Roxbury Latin School – West Roxbury, MA: 36%
Phillips Academy Andover – Andover, MA: 33%
The Spence School – NY, NY: 33%
The Winsor School – Boston, MA: 31%
The Dalton School – NY, NY: 31%
St. Paul’s School – Concord, NH: 30%
Chapin School – NY, NY: 30%
Harvard-Westlake School – Los Angeles, CA: 30%
Phillips Exeter Academy – Exeter, NH: 29%
The College Preparatory School – Oakland, CA: 29%

This doesn’t cover the top feeder public high schools. Plus Harvard is committed to taking local kids from schools like Cambridge Rindge and Latin , the public in Cambridge.

So there are even less seats available to regular students who aren’t at one of these schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mediocre students don’t apply to Harvard - I know, I’m the parent of one. It’s essentially 5% of the tippy top, 4.0 students get in. That can be pretty jarring to a family who thinks that a 4.0 high stats kid has a good shot at Harvard. They still don’t, because 5% is still a long shot.

David Hogg got accepted to Harvard with a bad SAT and ok GPAs. LOL.....

Does your child have a national profile? Not saying he deserved etc etc, but he was very unique in that respect and that was the reason he was accepted.

The point is that you don't need a high GPA and SAT/ACT score to get accepted into Harvard. You can be a mediocre student with millions of subscribers on YouTube or followers on TikTok, and Harvard, Yale, Princeton will accept you.

[Anonymous]

Where are you getting these numbers. Here you have actual enrollments at Harvard, MIT and Princeton from all HS in the US.

https://www.polarislist.com

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mediocre students don’t apply to Harvard - I know, I’m the parent of one. It’s essentially 5% of the tippy top, 4.0 students get in. That can be pretty jarring to a family who thinks that a 4.0 high stats kid has a good shot at Harvard. They still don’t, because 5% is still a long shot.

David Hogg got accepted to Harvard with a bad SAT and ok GPAs. LOL.....

Does your child have a national profile? Not saying he deserved etc etc, but he was very unique in that respect and that was the reason he was accepted.

The point is that you don't need a high GPA and SAT/ACT score to get accepted into Harvard. You can be a mediocre student with millions of subscribers on YouTube or followers on TikTok, and Harvard, Yale, Princeton will accept you.

Sure, but that's no easier than getting a perfect SAT etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You forgot to add how many students are accepted every year from top high schools.

Most students accepted from specific high schools are

Trinity School – NY, NY: 40%
Collegiate School – NY, NY: 40%
Brearley School – NY, NY: 37%
Horace Mann School – Bronx, NY: 36%
Roxbury Latin School – West Roxbury, MA: 36%
Phillips Academy Andover – Andover, MA: 33%
The Spence School – NY, NY: 33%
The Winsor School – Boston, MA: 31%
The Dalton School – NY, NY: 31%
St. Paul’s School – Concord, NH: 30%
Chapin School – NY, NY: 30%
Harvard-Westlake School – Los Angeles, CA: 30%
Phillips Exeter Academy – Exeter, NH: 29%
The College Preparatory School – Oakland, CA: 29%

This doesn’t cover the top feeder public high schools. Plus Harvard is committed to taking local kids from schools like Cambridge Rindge and Latin , the public in Cambridge.

So there are even less seats available to regular students who aren’t at one of these schools.

I mean, if you are taking everyone away (now by high school) you are getting into single digits... But by then your kid is also competing with much less impressive candidates.

Keep in mind that many of those "hooked" kids are multihooked - some celebrities are legacies, some legacies are donors, some URMs are athletes, some athletes come from obscure states...So you don't just add them all up. Many celebrities and big donors come from some of these private schools, if that is your concern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You forgot to add how many students are accepted every year from top high schools.

Most students accepted from specific high schools are

Trinity School – NY, NY: 40%
Collegiate School – NY, NY: 40%
Brearley School – NY, NY: 37%
Horace Mann School – Bronx, NY: 36%
Roxbury Latin School – West Roxbury, MA: 36%
Phillips Academy Andover – Andover, MA: 33%
The Spence School – NY, NY: 33%
The Winsor School – Boston, MA: 31%
The Dalton School – NY, NY: 31%
St. Paul’s School – Concord, NH: 30%
Chapin School – NY, NY: 30%
Harvard-Westlake School – Los Angeles, CA: 30%
Phillips Exeter Academy – Exeter, NH: 29%
The College Preparatory School – Oakland, CA: 29%

This doesn’t cover the top feeder public high schools. Plus Harvard is committed to taking local kids from schools like Cambridge Rindge and Latin , the public in Cambridge.

So there are even less seats available to regular students who aren’t at one of these schools.

These might be kids accepted to all Ivy schools, but 40% of Trinity didn’t get accepted to Harvard.