S/O Silver Creek letter announcing new AP who was placed on leave after ESS police incident

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These are great points. Another layer here (with hope this is helpful for ppl to see) is that while "cultural competence" is now kind of out, "cultural humility" is in. (Cultural sensitivity is still used but kind of out bc doesn't recognize power dynamics enough). Idea is that nobody should think of themselves as ever reaching competence, that it's super arrogant to think they ever fully know best, but that processes of reflexive humility, that recognize power dynamics and savior dynamics (whether or to what extent the latter are performative), are necessary. In CPS-adjacent professions, there's a lot of advocacy still, to this day, for taking into account parenting norms so that the systems do not kidnap Black children. I've heard Black parents go through the emo labor to tell me myriad times that there is literally no second chance for their kid, no leeway to experiment with book learning and elevate it over what they know and believe works best. And that post 2020 this should be even more obvious to people. Given issues in schools today kids totally need to be protected and MCPS should have some kind of constant feedback loop around how various situations go, what can go better, impact, and one that centers Black voices (students, parents, community) post 2020.

I’m going to be honest and say I am pretty fascinated by the dynamics of those who think the AP should have intervened in a situation with parent and police. I don’t understand practically where your comments leave us. Maybe I don’t understand what they mean either.

PP's post might benefit from a paragraph break or two, but the bottom line is that MCPS (and other districts and social service providers) urge white teachers and administrators to practice cultural humility, and not to assume that parenting norms are universal.

White educators are also constantly reminded that Black families feel the need to be stricter with their children than white families, as a result of "respectability politics" but also situations like Tamir Rice.

The one other contextual item is that, at the time, the broader political discourse was about "White cops versus Black citizens" and we weren't really yet having the much-needed conversation about how the culture of policing is itself a problem, and that problem infects Black cops as much as white ones.

but how does this explain how the mother was able to win the lawsuit? if she was telling the [black] police to be super strict with her kid?

[Anonymous]

The misinformation in this thread about the police incident is really gross. Some of these justifications are so dumb, they could've only come from Ms. Pfieffer herself. The mother publicly stated that she was frightened witnessing what the police were doing to her child, and wanted to stop them but was afraid. Ms. Pfieffer could've stuck up for the Black parent frozen in fear from the police she called, but instead did nothing. Can someone post the name of the anti-racism training they claim they went to that teaches how it's ok to allow police to abuse Black children? I have a feeling it doesn't exist.

[Anonymous]

"I was afraid when I saw the handcuffs placed on [my son]," his mother Shanta Grant said. "I wanted to react but I don't have money to get an attorney—and then I'm arrested for putting my hands on a police officer."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/baltimore/news/handcuffs-in-hallways-mother-of-handcuffed-5-year-old-speaks-as-wjz-looks-at-child-arrests-in-maryland-schools-elementary-schools/

This doesn't match the narrative going on in these comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The misinformation in this thread about the police incident is really gross. Some of these justifications are so dumb, they could've only come from Ms. Pfieffer herself. The mother publicly stated that she was frightened witnessing what the police were doing to her child, and wanted to stop them but was afraid. Ms. Pfieffer could've stuck up for the Black parent frozen in fear from the police she called, but instead did nothing. Can someone post the name of the anti-racism training they claim they went to that teaches how it's ok to allow police to abuse Black children? I have a feeling it doesn't exist.

Uhhh we obviously didn’t watch the same video. The mother was as gross as the cops were. She stated she wanted to abuse her own child but the state wouldn’t let her. That’s not a woman “frozen in fear.” She only sued because she saw dollar signs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"I was afraid when I saw the handcuffs placed on [my son]," his mother Shanta Grant said. "I wanted to react but I don't have money to get an attorney—and then I'm arrested for putting my hands on a police officer."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/baltimore/news/handcuffs-in-hallways-mother-of-handcuffed-5-year-old-speaks-as-wjz-looks-at-child-arrests-in-maryland-schools-elementary-schools/

This doesn't match the narrative going on in these comments.

Well, it also doesn't match the video. This is not a case where we have to rely on a she-said narrative given in the middle of a lawsuit. We can watch the video and see her actions for ourselves.

I actually feel for Ms. Grant. The police absolutely should never have behaved the way that they did. That was beyond the pale and the fact that neither of them seem to have suffered any professional consequences absolutely impacts my impression of the MCPD. However, her words above are belied by her actual behavior and words. I'm sure she wishes she had done something. I'm sure Ms. Pfeiffer does as well. But only one person in that room was egging the police on, and it was the mom.

[Anonymous]

The reality is that the assistant principal didn’t do her job, and someone is protecting her. She should be out of a job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the assistant principal didn’t do her job, and someone is protecting her. She should be out of a job.

She did. She called the cops when a known eloper…did it again. No one could have anticipated how vile the cops would actually be… while sitting in a room with the child’s mother who was agreeing the police. Those officers are the ones who should have faced punishment. CPS should have stepped in to remove the child from that home. So many people failed that child that day who werent reprimanded. Meanwhile, the mom who absolutely failed her child is a millionaire now.

[Anonymous]

It was her job to deescalate the situation and she didn't. Incompetent and sneaky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was her job to deescalate the situation and she didn't. Incompetent and sneaky.

Sneaky? Puhlease. You sound completely ignorant. Not surprising for DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It was her job to deescalate the situation and she didn't. Incompetent and sneaky.

Sneaky? Puhlease. You sound completely ignorant. Not surprising for DCUM.

I notice you are not contesting the incompetence. Protecting incompetence is the MCPS way. -DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was her job to deescalate the situation and she didn't. Incompetent and sneaky.

Sneaky? Puhlease. You sound completely ignorant. Not surprising for DCUM.

Who is protecting this now AP of a middle school? Why are they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was her job to deescalate the situation and she didn't. Incompetent and sneaky.

Sneaky? Puhlease. You sound completely ignorant. Not surprising for DCUM.

Who is protecting this now AP of a middle school? Why are they?

It’s par for the course for central office to protect bad staff, including the SCMS AP. They also force-placed a terrible AP at CCES. I’m sure there are many other as well. There is zero accountability.

[Anonymous]

Are the Pfeiffer s at SCMS, one this AP the other a math teacher related? What is MCPS's nepotism policy if they have one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are great points. Another layer here (with hope this is helpful for ppl to see) is that while "cultural competence" is now kind of out, "cultural humility" is in. (Cultural sensitivity is still used but kind of out bc doesn't recognize power dynamics enough). Idea is that nobody should think of themselves as ever reaching competence, that it's super arrogant to think they ever fully know best, but that processes of reflexive humility, that recognize power dynamics and savior dynamics (whether or to what extent the latter are performative), are necessary. In CPS-adjacent professions, there's a lot of advocacy still, to this day, for taking into account parenting norms so that the systems do not kidnap Black children. I've heard Black parents go through the emo labor to tell me myriad times that there is literally no second chance for their kid, no leeway to experiment with book learning and elevate it over what they know and believe works best. And that post 2020 this should be even more obvious to people. Given issues in schools today kids totally need to be protected and MCPS should have some kind of constant feedback loop around how various situations go, what can go better, impact, and one that centers Black voices (students, parents, community) post 2020.

I’m going to be honest and say I am pretty fascinated by the dynamics of those who think the AP should have intervened in a situation with parent and police. I don’t understand practically where your comments leave us. Maybe I don’t understand what they mean either.

PP's post might benefit from a paragraph break or two, but the bottom line is that MCPS (and other districts and social service providers) urge white teachers and administrators to practice cultural humility, and not to assume that parenting norms are universal.

White educators are also constantly reminded that Black families feel the need to be stricter with their children than white families, as a result of "respectability politics" but also situations like Tamir Rice.

The one other contextual item is that, at the time, the broader political discourse was about "White cops versus Black citizens" and we weren't really yet having the much-needed conversation about how the culture of policing is itself a problem, and that problem infects Black cops as much as white ones.

but how does this explain how the mother was able to win the lawsuit? if she was telling the [black] police to be super strict with her kid?

She didn't win. The district settled out of court under pressure from the county, who wanted to protect bad cops so let an educator take the fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are the Pfeiffer s at SCMS, one this AP the other a math teacher related? What is MCPS's nepotism policy if they have one?

That seems like a common last name. I doubt they are related.