S/O Silver Creek letter announcing new AP who was placed on leave after ESS police incident

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Either AP is

friends with Principal or someone at CO
CO wanted this Principal to deal with new AP
CO had no other place to put this AP
School needed "diversity" - a non black person in Administration (assumimg outgoing AP was white)
New AP has worked with families of special needs before
Hired an AP who can deal with any incoming complaining-rising-6th grade-parent/s
Other reason
All of the above

Potentially a little bit of all of the above, but also she might just be good at her job.

I've seen the video of what happened at ESSES, and it was horrifying, but I also think the situation is more complicated than folks are portraying it. As someone whose job sometimes happens inside MCPS schools, I've attended a lot of trainings about how I can't project my white supremacist colonialist parenting norms onto communities of color. So, the fact that the child's mom was in the room, and that the police and the mom and the child were all Black and the administrator was white, makes this situation more fraught and complicated than it would be otherwise, for a white educator/administrator.

Add the lack of training that most of us receive on de-escalating cops in particular? I'm not saying the AP was right to let that situation go on, but I'm saying I believe she may have learned from the experience and be an asset to Silver Creek.

I'm also just kind of intrigued at while folks are so intent on going after the AP but not the police officers who did the actual yelling. There's something there, but I can't quite figure out what it is.

Can someone explain how the family won litigation about this situation if the mother was there and encouraging the police behavior?

[Anonymous]

I’ve heard Pfeiffer speak disdainfully of returning to school-based work. She isn’t going back because she wants to but because they are eliminating her CO role and can’t make up something new for her to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard Pfeiffer speak disdainfully of returning to school-based work. She isn’t going back because she wants to but because they are eliminating her CO role and can’t make up something new for her to do.

After her experience at ESSES, can anyone blame her for feeling that way?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We had such a good experience at SCMS. My youngest is now at BCC so I have no dog in this fight, but based on what I saw from Dr. A and the departing AP, I'd trust their judgment.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but are any of us really saying that we would be in a room with a 5 year old being treated like that and not try to do something? Huge judgement lapse from this AP. Terrifying. SCMS has major discipline issues to begin with - this is not a place for someone "starting fresh".

Everyone thinks they would have hidden Jews in their attic, and everyone thinks they would have stood up to a Black mom telling Black cops to please go ahead and continue yelling at her son.

+ 1. Everyone thinks they’d be a hero until actually faced with the situation.

I’ve had two kids go through SCMS and I’m unclear what that poster means by “major discipline issues.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but are any of us really saying that we would be in a room with a 5 year old being treated like that and not try to do something? Huge judgement lapse from this AP. Terrifying. SCMS has major discipline issues to begin with - this is not a place for someone "starting fresh".

Everyone thinks they would have hidden Jews in their attic, and everyone thinks they would have stood up to a Black mom telling Black cops to please go ahead and continue yelling at her son.

+ 1. Everyone thinks they’d be a hero until actually faced with the situation.

I’ve had two kids go through SCMS and I’m unclear what that poster means by “major discipline issues.”

Agree that no one knows how they would react in this situation. But that doesn't change how the AP did react. If I had reacted like that, I would expect to be fired. She was lucky to be able to be placed in central office. But now that gig is up, and she should not be placed in a position with children. If central office can't place her, then like others who are displaced from their jobs, she should be looking for a job elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but are any of us really saying that we would be in a room with a 5 year old being treated like that and not try to do something? Huge judgement lapse from this AP. Terrifying. SCMS has major discipline issues to begin with - this is not a place for someone "starting fresh".

Everyone thinks they would have hidden Jews in their attic, and everyone thinks they would have stood up to a Black mom telling Black cops to please go ahead and continue yelling at her son.

+ 1. Everyone thinks they’d be a hero until actually faced with the situation.

I’ve had two kids go through SCMS and I’m unclear what that poster means by “major discipline issues.”

Agree that no one knows how they would react in this situation. But that doesn't change how the AP did react. If I had reacted like that, I would expect to be fired. She was lucky to be able to be placed in central office. But now that gig is up, and she should not be placed in a position with children. If central office can't place her, then like others who are displaced from their jobs, she should be looking for a job elsewhere.

I don’t think it’s an AP’s place to interfere with a mother’s decisions in this situation. She was in a damned if you do, famed if you don’t situation. So she took the best course - follow the mother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but are any of us really saying that we would be in a room with a 5 year old being treated like that and not try to do something? Huge judgement lapse from this AP. Terrifying. SCMS has major discipline issues to begin with - this is not a place for someone "starting fresh".

Everyone thinks they would have hidden Jews in their attic, and everyone thinks they would have stood up to a Black mom telling Black cops to please go ahead and continue yelling at her son.

+ 1. Everyone thinks they’d be a hero until actually faced with the situation.

I’ve had two kids go through SCMS and I’m unclear what that poster means by “major discipline issues.”

Agree that no one knows how they would react in this situation. But that doesn't change how the AP did react. If I had reacted like that, I would expect to be fired. She was lucky to be able to be placed in central office. But now that gig is up, and she should not be placed in a position with children. If central office can't place her, then like others who are displaced from their jobs, she should be looking for a job elsewhere.

I don’t think it’s an AP’s place to interfere with a mother’s decisions in this situation. She was in a damned if you do, famed if you don’t situation. So she took the best course - follow the mother.

Disagree. When a child is being berated and threatened in that way, the AP has a responsibility to stop it -- regardless of who else is in the room. It's not easy, but protecting the child is the #1 job of the school and in this case the AP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but are any of us really saying that we would be in a room with a 5 year old being treated like that and not try to do something? Huge judgement lapse from this AP. Terrifying. SCMS has major discipline issues to begin with - this is not a place for someone "starting fresh".

Everyone thinks they would have hidden Jews in their attic, and everyone thinks they would have stood up to a Black mom telling Black cops to please go ahead and continue yelling at her son.

💯💯💯

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but are any of us really saying that we would be in a room with a 5 year old being treated like that and not try to do something? Huge judgement lapse from this AP. Terrifying. SCMS has major discipline issues to begin with - this is not a place for someone "starting fresh".

Everyone thinks they would have hidden Jews in their attic, and everyone thinks they would have stood up to a Black mom telling Black cops to please go ahead and continue yelling at her son.

💯💯💯

And if I had been the AP who had failed to stand up to a parent and cops berating a kid, I would expect to lose my job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but are any of us really saying that we would be in a room with a 5 year old being treated like that and not try to do something? Huge judgement lapse from this AP. Terrifying. SCMS has major discipline issues to begin with - this is not a place for someone "starting fresh".

Everyone thinks they would have hidden Jews in their attic, and everyone thinks they would have stood up to a Black mom telling Black cops to please go ahead and continue yelling at her son.

💯💯💯

And if I had been the AP who had failed to stand up to a parent and cops berating a kid, I would expect to lose my job.

Not beating, not hurting, not abusing . . . berating?

Seriously?

You people all are nuts.

[Anonymous]

I have two kids currently at SCMS. I wasn't familiar w/ the incident being discussed here and found Dr. Awkard's letter very surprising.

I have had very positive experiences w/ Dr. Awkard and her administration, and have a lot of confidence in her transparency, discretion, cal and measured approach, and the way she runs the school. I don't know enough about this situation to comment intelligently, but I hope that Dr. Awkard had an appropriate role in the selection, and appropriate authority to manage it.

I will go to a meeting to hear/learn more about this but will also keep an open mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but are any of us really saying that we would be in a room with a 5 year old being treated like that and not try to do something? Huge judgement lapse from this AP. Terrifying. SCMS has major discipline issues to begin with - this is not a place for someone "starting fresh".

Everyone thinks they would have hidden Jews in their attic, and everyone thinks they would have stood up to a Black mom telling Black cops to please go ahead and continue yelling at her son.

💯💯💯

And if I had been the AP who had failed to stand up to a parent and cops berating a kid, I would expect to lose my job.

Not beating, not hurting, not abusing . . . berating?

Seriously?

You people all are nuts.

I hope that reaction from you is because you didn’t watch the video. It is horrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but are any of us really saying that we would be in a room with a 5 year old being treated like that and not try to do something? Huge judgement lapse from this AP. Terrifying. SCMS has major discipline issues to begin with - this is not a place for someone "starting fresh".

Everyone thinks they would have hidden Jews in their attic, and everyone thinks they would have stood up to a Black mom telling Black cops to please go ahead and continue yelling at her son.

💯💯💯

And if I had been the [white] AP who had failed to stand up to a [Black] parent and [Black] cops berating a kid, I would expect to lose my job.

Maybe she did risk losing her job rather than as a white woman in a position of power splaining to a Black mom and Black cops, in that moment, how to act. That's an instinct that some people find hard to learn. Now she's has had a lot more training as have many school admins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but are any of us really saying that we would be in a room with a 5 year old being treated like that and not try to do something? Huge judgement lapse from this AP. Terrifying. SCMS has major discipline issues to begin with - this is not a place for someone "starting fresh".

Everyone thinks they would have hidden Jews in their attic, and everyone thinks they would have stood up to a Black mom telling Black cops to please go ahead and continue yelling at her son.

💯💯💯

And if I had been the [white] AP who had failed to stand up to a [Black] parent and [Black] cops berating a kid, I would expect to lose my job.

Maybe she did risk losing her job rather than as a white woman in a position of power splaining to a Black mom and Black cops, in that moment, how to act. That's an instinct that some people find hard to learn. Now she's has had a lot more training as have many school admins.

Her responsibility was to the student regardless of race dynamics. Her job was not easy, but she should have done it.