Ballerina Farm

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Anonymous wrote:The Times ran a piece on her https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-sunday-times-magazine/article/meet-the-queen-of-the-trad-wives-and-her-eight-children-plfr50cgk

This was really well done. The husband def comes off as a walking red flag. And she seems really unhappy. It’s sad

Definitely. "Still, Daniel says, Neeleman sometimes gets so ill from exhaustion that she can’t get out of bed for a week."

I mean, awesome you're a billionaire and can have 8 kids you apparently don't have to care for for a week when push comes to shove, but this is a total farce so miss me with the videos of acting like it's the easiest thing to wake up, get eggs, bake fresh bread, make your sauces, homeschool etc. This is totally a farce and even a wife of a billionaire is struggling with it.

Also, he's breeding her like a cow which is pretty gross regardless of how much money you have.

And basically forced her into marrying shortly after they met so he could have sex.

Nobody forced anything into her. You're inadvertently pushing the perpetually fragile white woman narrative.I don't think you want/meant too, but i just want you to realize how infantilizing and patronizing it is.

Do you think most Mormon women have a lot of agency?

+1. The PP knows nothing about Mormonism

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Anonymous wrote:The Times ran a piece on her https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-sunday-times-magazine/article/meet-the-queen-of-the-trad-wives-and-her-eight-children-plfr50cgk

This was really well done. The husband def comes off as a walking red flag. And she seems really unhappy. It’s sad

This is my favorite quote from the article. She IS in a cult. Mormonism is a cult.


“One of the most influential trad wives is Nara Smith, a 22-year-old Mormon model (four million Instagram followers) who talks in a voice so soft she sounds as though she has been brainwashed by a cult, and is constantly pregnant and draining something fermented through muslin.”

of course mormonism is a cult, i mean, are we really debating it at this point?

It's just more recent than other religions. I actually don't think it's anymore of a cult.

As a former Mormon, you are incredibly profoundly naive. Bless your heart

+1. My sister, niece and cousin married into it. Mormonism destroyed all three.

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Anonymous wrote:This honestly seems like a logical transition from high level ballet training to me. For one thing,[/b] we don’t know if she was good enough at ballet to have a sustainable career,[b] even if she wanted to. Also ballet is at least partly torture in service of a beautiful picture, which is exactly what she does now. She’s the prima ballerina of Mormon influencing. There’s nothing in this article that proves she lacks agency. It’s just a sloppy hit piece.

Actually we do. First, real ballet dancers call themselves that .. ballet dancer. You never refer to yourself as a "ballerina". That's a serious rube move. Only the top
female soloist in a company is the ballerina. Second, a 20 second google search shows thst she took a SUMMER intensive course at Julliard at 14. That's summer camp in the ballet world. She did not "train" or "dance" at Julliard, just like I should not say I trained under Balanchine (or at Juilliard) when all I did was take class at NYCB or Juilliard Finally, after the summer intensive (age 14) she returned and then went into a theatre program at BYU (not impressive in the ballet world). Actually attending Juilliard isn't all that impressive in the ballet world because the real
ballet talent goes straight into companies. Some start at 14 and are tutored for high school exams. Serious ballet dancers don't have time for college

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Anonymous wrote:The Times ran a piece on her https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-sunday-times-magazine/article/meet-the-queen-of-the-trad-wives-and-her-eight-children-plfr50cgk

This was really well done. The husband def comes off as a walking red flag. And she seems really unhappy. It’s sad

Definitely. "Still, Daniel says, Neeleman sometimes gets so ill from exhaustion that she can’t get out of bed for a week."

I mean, awesome you're a billionaire and can have 8 kids you apparently don't have to care for for a week when push comes to shove, but this is a total farce so miss me with the videos of acting like it's the easiest thing to wake up, get eggs, bake fresh bread, make your sauces, homeschool etc. This is totally a farce and even a wife of a billionaire is struggling with it.

Also, he's breeding her like a cow which is pretty gross regardless of how much money you have.

And basically forced her into marrying shortly after they met so he could have sex.

Nobody forced anything into her. You're inadvertently pushing the perpetually fragile white woman narrative.I don't think you want/meant too, but i just want you to realize how infantilizing and patronizing it is.

Do you think most Mormon women have a lot of agency?

Yes.

They do not. They act like they do, her educations but the ideal is not to work. The average life looks picture perfect and very mainstream. But they are under constant pressure to be perfect by an invasive and pervasive community that checks up.on each other. Image is extremely important as is having a lot of children, because of their belief about souls waiting to be born.

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Anonymous wrote:She has a ton of help. Multiple nannies, farm employees, and people running the business side of the brand. The shtick of a hardscrabble family pulling themselves up by their bootstraps sells product but it's not at all reality. Most of the meat and other items they sell are not actually produced on their farm. And yes, the husband's family bankrolls most of their lifestyle. It's fun and games now but it won't be when the kids are old enough to realize their parents pretended to homeschool them and dressed them up in flour sacks and bonnets to get attention on social media.

Word.

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It’s funny how it’s now a job to convince women that they can make homemaking their job. But no paycheck for those that buy in.

If it’s so wonderful, why is she taking to her bed for a week like the woman in The Yellow Wallpaper.

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Is this an ad?

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Anonymous wrote:This honestly seems like a logical transition from high level ballet training to me. For one thing,[/b] we don’t know if she was good enough at ballet to have a sustainable career,[b] even if she wanted to. Also ballet is at least partly torture in service of a beautiful picture, which is exactly what she does now. She’s the prima ballerina of Mormon influencing. There’s nothing in this article that proves she lacks agency. It’s just a sloppy hit piece.

Actually we do. First, real ballet dancers call themselves that .. ballet dancer. You never refer to yourself as a "ballerina". That's a serious rube move. Only the top
female soloist in a company is the ballerina. Second, a 20 second google search shows thst she took a SUMMER intensive course at Julliard at 14. That's summer camp in the ballet world. She did not "train" or "dance" at Julliard, just like I should not say I trained under Balanchine (or at Juilliard) when all I did was take class at NYCB or Juilliard Finally, after the summer intensive (age 14) she returned and then went into a theatre program at BYU (not impressive in the ballet world). Actually attending Juilliard isn't all that impressive in the ballet world because the real
ballet talent goes straight into companies. Some start at 14 and are tutored for high school exams. Serious ballet dancers don't have time for college

+1. Notes on her have her "attending" University of UTAh (linked-in), BYU and Juilliard but no proof that she actually graduated from any of them. When she "toured" China it was not with a preeminent American, European, Russian or Latin American company. It was with the local
Guangzhou Ballet - not impressive. I went to
law school with a male ballet danseur out of Juilliard. He was not good - he certainly would never have made it into a good American company (bad feet - other ballet dan ers will understand).

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Anonymous wrote:This is sad. She doesn't even care for the whole trad wife movement. You can tell she is struggling with her religion and values being imposed on her heavily. Tye epidural. She went to Julliard but gave up her dance career for him.

Has anyone else seen her birthday tiktok where she was hoping to get tickets to Greece? He got her an apron and kitchen stuff instead. Not to be harsh but she needs to get her and her kids out of this situation. I content is dangerous for young impressionable people.

https://x.com/sisogynist/status/1816171875464024468 the video

Goodness that’s depressing. He sounds like a douche.

It's always a douche move to say "you're welcome" before someone's had a chance to say thank you. It's a passive-aggressive prompt which is inappropriate for someone who's supposed to be your equal. How sad she thought it was a hat to wear in Greece and it was just an ugly apron.

is that in the article? I missed it but did catch the exhaustion line and the fact that he makes the decision about impregnating her and she says nothing but "prays about it". But, then, in his religion he is a future God and she isn't even a Goddess (read up on this before you comment). If she dies or tries to leave (and is excommunicated) he just moves on to another Mormon to get sealed to her. Just as my cousin did - he now has three women sealed to him. All these women (or more) then go on to the Celestial heaven, then on their nee planet turning out spirit babies for him. Note Hannah cannot be sealed to another mormon man. It works only one way. This is why the Quorum of 12 have never totally done away with polygamy. It does exist in the Celestial Kingdom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Times ran a piece on her https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-sunday-times-magazine/article/meet-the-queen-of-the-trad-wives-and-her-eight-children-plfr50cgk

This was really well done. The husband def comes off as a walking red flag. And she seems really unhappy. It’s sad

Definitely. "Still, Daniel says, Neeleman sometimes gets so ill from exhaustion that she can’t get out of bed for a week."

I mean, awesome you're a billionaire and can have 8 kids you apparently don't have to care for for a week when push comes to shove, but this is a total farce so miss me with the videos of acting like it's the easiest thing to wake up, get eggs, bake fresh bread, make your sauces, homeschool etc. This is totally a farce and even a wife of a billionaire is struggling with it.

Also, he's breeding her like a cow which is pretty gross regardless of how much money you have.

And basically forced her into marrying shortly after they met so he could have sex.

Nobody forced anything into her. You're inadvertently pushing the perpetually fragile white woman narrative.I don't think you want/meant too, but i just want you to realize how infantilizing and patronizing it is.

I remember my Mormon friend telling me about a Mormon guy who asked her out. He said that God had told him she was the one for him. That's a kind of religious coercion that would be hard to say no to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This honestly seems like a logical transition from high level ballet training to me. For one thing, we don’t know if she was good enough at ballet to have a sustainable career, even if she wanted to. Also ballet is at least partly torture in service of a beautiful picture, which is exactly what she does now. She’s the prima ballerina of Mormon influencing. There’s nothing in this article that proves she lacks agency. It’s just a sloppy hit piece.

This is a great point.

Also: ice baths in irrigation ditches while pregnant? Whaaaaaat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is sad. She doesn't even care for the whole trad wife movement. You can tell she is struggling with her religion and values being imposed on her heavily. Tye epidural. She went to Julliard but gave up her dance career for him.

Has anyone else seen her birthday tiktok where she was hoping to get tickets to Greece? He got her an apron and kitchen stuff instead. Not to be harsh but she needs to get her and her kids out of this situation. I content is dangerous for young impressionable people.

https://x.com/sisogynist/status/1816171875464024468 the video

Goodness that’s depressing. He sounds like a douche.

It's always a douche move to say "you're welcome" before someone's had a chance to say thank you. It's a passive-aggressive prompt which is inappropriate for someone who's supposed to be your equal. How sad she thought it was a hat to wear in Greece and it was just an ugly apron.

is that in the article? I missed it but did catch the exhaustion line and the fact that he makes the decision about impregnating her and she says nothing but "prays about it". But, then, in his religion he is a future God and she isn't even a Goddess (read up on this before you comment). If she dies or tries to leave (and is excommunicated) he just moves on to another Mormon to get sealed to her. Just as my cousin did - he now has three women sealed to him. All these women (or more) then go on to the Celestial heaven, then on their nee planet turning out spirit babies for him. Note Hannah cannot be sealed to another mormon man. It works only one way. This is why the Quorum of 12 have never totally done away with polygamy. It does exist in the Celestial Kingdom.

+1. Doctrines & Covenants 132 has never been denounced by the Mormon Church. The only reason the church publicly stopped practicing polygamy was political
... it was going to lose statehood

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The Times ran a piece on her https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-sunday-times-magazine/article/meet-the-queen-of-the-trad-wives-and-her-eight-children-plfr50cgk

This was really well done. The husband def comes off as a walking red flag. And she seems really unhappy. It’s sad

Definitely. "Still, Daniel says, Neeleman sometimes gets so ill from exhaustion that she can’t get out of bed for a week."

I mean, awesome you're a billionaire and can have 8 kids you apparently don't have to care for for a week when push comes to shove, but this is a total farce so miss me with the videos of acting like it's the easiest thing to wake up, get eggs, bake fresh bread, make your sauces, homeschool etc. This is totally a farce and even a wife of a billionaire is struggling with it.

Also, he's breeding her like a cow which is pretty gross regardless of how much money you have.

And basically forced her into marrying shortly after they met so he could have sex.

Nobody forced anything into her. You're inadvertently pushing the perpetually fragile white woman narrative.I don't think you want/meant too, but i just want you to realize how infantilizing and patronizing it is.

I remember my Mormon friend telling me about a Mormon guy who asked her out. He said that God had told him she was the one for him. That's a kind of religious coercion that would be hard to say no to.

yup. that's what the men do. They say they've prayed on it (of course you would have to convert to actually get married and sealed in the temple). Then the woman (really, often girls) goes and prays on it until
she gets a testimony about it to. Lots of testimonies magically happen the last year at BYU to those not yet taken

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Anonymous wrote:The Times ran a piece on her https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-sunday-times-magazine/article/meet-the-queen-of-the-trad-wives-and-her-eight-children-plfr50cgk

This was really well done. The husband def comes off as a walking red flag. And she seems really unhappy. It’s sad

Definitely. "Still, Daniel says, Neeleman sometimes gets so ill from exhaustion that she can’t get out of bed for a week."

I mean, awesome you're a billionaire and can have 8 kids you apparently don't have to care for for a week when push comes to shove, but this is a total farce so miss me with the videos of acting like it's the easiest thing to wake up, get eggs, bake fresh bread, make your sauces, homeschool etc. This is totally a farce and even a wife of a billionaire is struggling with it.

Also, he's breeding her like a cow which is pretty gross regardless of how much money you have.

And basically forced her into marrying shortly after they met so he could have sex.

Nobody forced anything into her. You're inadvertently pushing the perpetually fragile white woman narrative.I don't think you want/meant too, but i just want you to realize how infantilizing and patronizing it is.

Do you think most Mormon women have a lot of agency?

Yes.

They do not. They act like they do, her educations but the ideal is not to work. The average life looks picture perfect and very mainstream. But they are under constant pressure to be perfect by an invasive and pervasive community that checks up.on each other. Image is extremely important as is having a lot of children, because of their belief about souls waiting to be born.

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which is why Utah has led for decades and continues to lead the rest of country in antidepressant use. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-feb-20-mn-28924-story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh if y'all are interested in this topic, you have GOT to read this essay on Mormonism and influencers. It's fascinating and changed the way I look at all of it. Highly, highly recommend. https://annehelen.substack.com/p/the-edenic-allure-of-ballerinafarm

Thanks for the rec, PP! Very interesting indeed.

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