Turning down top private for state school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

and some of you are really "special" people, thanks for sharing your... hmmm....somewhat unique perpspective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For my family, if we were choosing between in-state UVA with some aid and Harvard full-pay or close to it, it would be very hard to turn down UVA.

Luckily, we will never face that dilemma. 😂

Exactly! Most likely it is a money issue. Hard to justify an extra $45K+ per year if it's not already saved or if kid plans for Law school/med school and that extra $45K could be used to have less debt. That's $180K saved by choosing UVA

That si fine, but not everyone wants UVA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

and some of you are really "special" people, thanks for sharing your... hmmm....somewhat unique perpspective.

It is the dominant view among parents at our high school. We jokingly call it CC-UVA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

and some of you are really "special" people, thanks for sharing your... hmmm....somewhat unique perpspective.

It is the dominant view among parents at our high school. We jokingly call it CC-UVA.

I'm sure you do

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

and some of you are really "special" people, thanks for sharing your... hmmm....somewhat unique perpspective.

It is the dominant view among parents at our high school. We jokingly call it CC-UVA.

I'm sure you do

Why do you keep feeding the troll?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

and some of you are really "special" people, thanks for sharing your... hmmm....somewhat unique perpspective.

It is the dominant view among parents at our high school. We jokingly call it CC-UVA.

I'm sure you do

Why do you keep feeding the troll?

Nothing wrong with a solid community college. It educates the masses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this fairly common at public schools?

One kid at my child’s public just turned down Harvard for UVA. I can understand not choosing NYU or Georgetown for UVA, but Harvard???

My kid turned down Pomona and Brown and Georgetown—Still deciding in-state between WM & UVA. Will likely go to grad or law school after.

Princeton or Harvard he would have taken.

[Anonymous]

We turned down Emory and Bucknell for Pitt. Both of those schools cost a fortune and offered no merit

[Anonymous]

My daughter is currently struggling with this same decision. Harvard, Yale, UNC, or UVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter is currently struggling with this same decision. Harvard, Yale, UNC, or UVA.

Yale 💯

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We turned down Emory and Bucknell for Pitt. Both of those schools cost a fortune and offered no merit

If pre-med smart.
If anything else, yikes….

[Anonymous]

People turn down HYSP for state schools more often than you think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some sociologists did a study on this kind of thing 15 or 20 years ago. I'll try to dig up a link. Their research found that those who were accepted at elite institutions but chose state schools instead had statistically indistinguishable career outcomes from those who went to the elite privates.

The reasoning was (in part), that applying and being accepted to an elite institution was a proxy for intelligence+drive+existing support. But the effect of the institution itself was undetectable.

There are other potential positive effects that might be associated with the state school choice, too, like graduating with zero debt (at least back then, before need blind), big fish in a small (or at least less competitive) pond, etc.

It's Dale & Krueger...they did mention that the kids also graduate near the top of their class at State U (in the actual example it was a kid choosing Penn State over Yale and graduating near the top of their Penn State class).

That is an important distinction in their research. If your kid goes to UVA and just graduates middle of the class, then they would not expect the same outcomes of the average Harvard graduate.

This is what Malcolm Gladwell says. The bottom third of the Harvard class is not much different than the bottom third at another school.

He says employers would do well to hire from the top of the class from ANY school.

UMD, for example, has many class valedictorians and just as many HYSP-qualified students as any of those individual schools in the 1,500 student range.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some sociologists did a study on this kind of thing 15 or 20 years ago. I'll try to dig up a link. Their research found that those who were accepted at elite institutions but chose state schools instead had statistically indistinguishable career outcomes from those who went to the elite privates.

The reasoning was (in part), that applying and being accepted to an elite institution was a proxy for intelligence+drive+existing support. But the effect of the institution itself was undetectable.

There are other potential positive effects that might be associated with the state school choice, too, like graduating with zero debt (at least back then, before need blind), big fish in a small (or at least less competitive) pond, etc.

It's Dale & Krueger...they did mention that the kids also graduate near the top of their class at State U (in the actual example it was a kid choosing Penn State over Yale and graduating near the top of their Penn State class).

That is an important distinction in their research. If your kid goes to UVA and just graduates middle of the class, then they would not expect the same outcomes of the average Harvard graduate.

This is what Malcolm Gladwell says. The bottom third of the Harvard class is not much different than the bottom third at another school.

He says employers would do well to hire from the top of the class from ANY school.

UMD, for example, has many class valedictorians and just as many HYSP-qualified students as any of those individual schools in the 1,500 student range.

But they don’t. Sure it would be great if they did. But if you want to work at a top investment bank or HF, they aren’t recruiting from the top of the class anywhere. It just doesn’t work that way.

You can be idealistic and wish it did….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because they've become for the very wealthy and the poor.

THIS