Turning down top private for state school

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

What?! There are top of the class kids that consider UVA a backup, yes, but if they are smart and kind they do that very quietly!
You and your kids are certainly not kind. Come off it, "deal with poverty"?
You clearly do not have a kid at what you must consider a "good" school such as an ivy. I have one. There are a large amount of full-need kiddos who can barely afford getting food off campus or having to buy a single extra book above their book allowance, many more poor kids than 30 yrs ago. Being around folks who are more poor than oneself, sometimes significantly more poor, is an important aspect of education and understanding fellow humanity. My kid is no where near the richest but they would never condemn and mock fellow students like you have. I grew up very poor and am now an MD, not at all poor (full pay), and I cringe hearing you make fun of poverty. My kid and their ivy friends would never do this, neither would their very good kind friends at UVA. They have perspective. Maybe try to get some. And, furthermore, there is nothing wrong with community college.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid poverty and the struggles of low income peers.

This is the main reason why my kid went to Dartmouth over UVA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

What?! There are top of the class kids that consider UVA a backup, yes, but if they are smart and kind they do that very quietly!
You and your kids are certainly not kind. Come off it, "deal with poverty"?
You clearly do not have a kid at what you must consider a "good" school such as an ivy. I have one. There are a large amount of full-need kiddos who can barely afford getting food off campus or having to buy a single extra book above their book allowance, many more poor kids than 30 yrs ago. Being around folks who are more poor than oneself, sometimes significantly more poor, is an important aspect of education and understanding fellow humanity. My kid is no where near the richest but they would never condemn and mock fellow students like you have. I grew up very poor and am now an MD, not at all poor (full pay), and I cringe hearing you make fun of poverty. My kid and their ivy friends would never do this, neither would their very good kind friends at UVA. They have perspective. Maybe try to get some. And, furthermore, there is nothing wrong with community college.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid poverty and the struggles of low income peers.

This is the main reason why my kid went to Dartmouth over UVA.

Great skiing too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

What?! There are top of the class kids that consider UVA a backup, yes, but if they are smart and kind they do that very quietly!
You and your kids are certainly not kind. Come off it, "deal with poverty"?
You clearly do not have a kid at what you must consider a "good" school such as an ivy. I have one. There are a large amount of full-need kiddos who can barely afford getting food off campus or having to buy a single extra book above their book allowance, many more poor kids than 30 yrs ago. Being around folks who are more poor than oneself, sometimes significantly more poor, is an important aspect of education and understanding fellow humanity. My kid is no where near the richest but they would never condemn and mock fellow students like you have. I grew up very poor and am now an MD, not at all poor (full pay), and I cringe hearing you make fun of poverty. My kid and their ivy friends would never do this, neither would their very good kind friends at UVA. They have perspective. Maybe try to get some. And, furthermore, there is nothing wrong with community college.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid poverty and the struggles of low income peers.

Such as?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

What?! There are top of the class kids that consider UVA a backup, yes, but if they are smart and kind they do that very quietly!
You and your kids are certainly not kind. Come off it, "deal with poverty"?
You clearly do not have a kid at what you must consider a "good" school such as an ivy. I have one. There are a large amount of full-need kiddos who can barely afford getting food off campus or having to buy a single extra book above their book allowance, many more poor kids than 30 yrs ago. Being around folks who are more poor than oneself, sometimes significantly more poor, is an important aspect of education and understanding fellow humanity. My kid is no where near the richest but they would never condemn and mock fellow students like you have. I grew up very poor and am now an MD, not at all poor (full pay), and I cringe hearing you make fun of poverty. My kid and their ivy friends would never do this, neither would their very good kind friends at UVA. They have perspective. Maybe try to get some. And, furthermore, there is nothing wrong with community college.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid poverty and the struggles of low income peers.

We got another gold medal winner of DCUM’s assh*le Olympics right here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

What?! There are top of the class kids that consider UVA a backup, yes, but if they are smart and kind they do that very quietly!
You and your kids are certainly not kind. Come off it, "deal with poverty"?
You clearly do not have a kid at what you must consider a "good" school such as an ivy. I have one. There are a large amount of full-need kiddos who can barely afford getting food off campus or having to buy a single extra book above their book allowance, many more poor kids than 30 yrs ago. Being around folks who are more poor than oneself, sometimes significantly more poor, is an important aspect of education and understanding fellow humanity. My kid is no where near the richest but they would never condemn and mock fellow students like you have. I grew up very poor and am now an MD, not at all poor (full pay), and I cringe hearing you make fun of poverty. My kid and their ivy friends would never do this, neither would their very good kind friends at UVA. They have perspective. Maybe try to get some. And, furthermore, there is nothing wrong with community college.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid poverty and the struggles of low income peers.

We got another gold medal winner of DCUM’s assh*le Olympics right here.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

What?! There are top of the class kids that consider UVA a backup, yes, but if they are smart and kind they do that very quietly!
You and your kids are certainly not kind. Come off it, "deal with poverty"?
You clearly do not have a kid at what you must consider a "good" school such as an ivy. I have one. There are a large amount of full-need kiddos who can barely afford getting food off campus or having to buy a single extra book above their book allowance, many more poor kids than 30 yrs ago. Being around folks who are more poor than oneself, sometimes significantly more poor, is an important aspect of education and understanding fellow humanity. My kid is no where near the richest but they would never condemn and mock fellow students like you have. I grew up very poor and am now an MD, not at all poor (full pay), and I cringe hearing you make fun of poverty. My kid and their ivy friends would never do this, neither would their very good kind friends at UVA. They have perspective. Maybe try to get some. And, furthermore, there is nothing wrong with community college.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid poverty and the struggles of low income peers.

We got another gold medal winner of DCUM’s assh*le Olympics right here.

What exactly do you object to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

What?! There are top of the class kids that consider UVA a backup, yes, but if they are smart and kind they do that very quietly!
You and your kids are certainly not kind. Come off it, "deal with poverty"?
You clearly do not have a kid at what you must consider a "good" school such as an ivy. I have one. There are a large amount of full-need kiddos who can barely afford getting food off campus or having to buy a single extra book above their book allowance, many more poor kids than 30 yrs ago. Being around folks who are more poor than oneself, sometimes significantly more poor, is an important aspect of education and understanding fellow humanity. My kid is no where near the richest but they would never condemn and mock fellow students like you have. I grew up very poor and am now an MD, not at all poor (full pay), and I cringe hearing you make fun of poverty. My kid and their ivy friends would never do this, neither would their very good kind friends at UVA. They have perspective. Maybe try to get some. And, furthermore, there is nothing wrong with community college.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid poverty and the struggles of low income peers.

We got another gold medal winner of DCUM’s assh*le Olympics right here.

What exactly do you object to?

DP
I’d need more info. I’m guessing the PP is all about the equity and hate has no home here and illegal immigration is the is the best - let them all in to pick our vegetables! If that’s the case, that would make him/her a major a$$hole. Now if they’re super conservative I’d say carry on. To be expected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I did that. Not quite Harvard, but turned down Duke, Cornell, and Dartmouth engineering to go to UMD. It was the decision between graduating debt free or $100k+ in debt.

Ironically at my first job my cube mate came from Yale, so I'm not sure it made much of a difference in the end. Part of me still wonders "what if?" 20 years later, but I'm not sad with how my life turned out.

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There are Googlers who graduated from top tier who work along side state u grads. I worked with someone from Cornell; I graduated from no name state u.

I never understand this reasoning. Unless you can prove Google hires in the same proportion from Harvard vs a specific State U, it doesn’t verify anything.

If Google hires 50 from Harvard and only 10 from UVA…well the odds are significantly better at Harvard.

Google hires a lot from SJSU (because of proximity mostly). Does that make it better than UVA? Would someone really pick SJSU over UVA coming from oos?

If you want to work at Google or other Silicon Valley companies…yes. You answered your own question.

However this thread is UVA vs Harvard, so not sure why you are mentioning SJSU.

The point is that sure, Google hires kids from anywhere…but if they hire 40 from a class of 1500 but only 10 from a class of 5000…well your odds are much better from the former.

This particular thread is about how a PP turned down Cornell and Duke to go to UMD. It's a similar situation to my example.

Point being, it's not where you go, but what you do when you get there.

Google now no longer even requires a degree for software programming if you are that good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some sociologists did a study on this kind of thing 15 or 20 years ago. I'll try to dig up a link. Their research found that those who were accepted at elite institutions but chose state schools instead had statistically indistinguishable career outcomes from those who went to the elite privates.

The reasoning was (in part), that applying and being accepted to an elite institution was a proxy for intelligence+drive+existing support. But the effect of the institution itself was undetectable.

There are other potential positive effects that might be associated with the state school choice, too, like graduating with zero debt (at least back then, before need blind), big fish in a small (or at least less competitive) pond, etc.

It's Dale & Krueger...they did mention that the kids also graduate near the top of their class at State U (in the actual example it was a kid choosing Penn State over Yale and graduating near the top of their Penn State class).

That is an important distinction in their research. If your kid goes to UVA and just graduates middle of the class, then they would not expect the same outcomes of the average Harvard graduate.

This is what Malcolm Gladwell says. The bottom third of the Harvard class is not much different than the bottom third at another school.

He says employers would do well to hire from the top of the class from ANY school.

UMD, for example, has many class valedictorians and just as many HYSP-qualified students as any of those individual schools in the 1,500 student range.

But they don’t. Sure it would be great if they did. But if you want to work at a top investment bank or HF, they aren’t recruiting from the top of the class anywhere. It just doesn’t work that way.

You can be idealistic and wish it did….

dp.. but they aren't hiring from the middling group of those elite colleges, either. If you are paying that much for college, I'd expect a good ROI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

What?! There are top of the class kids that consider UVA a backup, yes, but if they are smart and kind they do that very quietly!
You and your kids are certainly not kind. Come off it, "deal with poverty"?
You clearly do not have a kid at what you must consider a "good" school such as an ivy. I have one. There are a large amount of full-need kiddos who can barely afford getting food off campus or having to buy a single extra book above their book allowance, many more poor kids than 30 yrs ago. Being around folks who are more poor than oneself, sometimes significantly more poor, is an important aspect of education and understanding fellow humanity. My kid is no where near the richest but they would never condemn and mock fellow students like you have. I grew up very poor and am now an MD, not at all poor (full pay), and I cringe hearing you make fun of poverty. My kid and their ivy friends would never do this, neither would their very good kind friends at UVA. They have perspective. Maybe try to get some. And, furthermore, there is nothing wrong with community college.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid poverty and the struggles of low income peers.

This is the main reason why my kid went to Dartmouth over UVA.

:mic drop:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

and some of you are really "special" people, thanks for sharing your... hmmm....somewhat unique perpspective.

It is the dominant view among parents at our high school. We jokingly call it CC-UVA.

When you try to downgrade a school but the kids that go love it so much they could care less what people say…

Yes community college is good for everyone.

Right? WTH?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did that. Not quite Harvard, but turned down Duke, Cornell, and Dartmouth engineering to go to UMD. It was the decision between graduating debt free or $100k+ in debt.

Ironically at my first job my cube mate came from Yale, so I'm not sure it made much of a difference in the end. Part of me still wonders "what if?" 20 years later, but I'm not sad with how my life turned out.

+1
There are Googlers who graduated from top tier who work along side state u grads. I worked with someone from Cornell; I graduated from no name state u.

I never understand this reasoning. Unless you can prove Google hires in the same proportion from Harvard vs a specific State U, it doesn’t verify anything.

If Google hires 50 from Harvard and only 10 from UVA…well the odds are significantly better at Harvard.

Google hires a lot from SJSU (because of proximity mostly). Does that make it better than UVA? Would someone really pick SJSU over UVA coming from oos?

If you want to work at Google or other Silicon Valley companies…yes. You answered your own question.

However this thread is UVA vs Harvard, so not sure why you are mentioning SJSU.

The point is that sure, Google hires kids from anywhere…but if they hire 40 from a class of 1500 but only 10 from a class of 5000…well your odds are much better from the former.

This particular thread is about how a PP turned down Cornell and Duke to go to UMD. It's a similar situation to my example.

Point being, it's not where you go, but what you do when you get there.

Google now no longer even requires a degree for software programming if you are that good.

You aren’t making a good point. I don’t even care about any particular school…but if any employer seems to give priority to one school (ie seems to hire a larger percentage of grads) vs another…well then it is an advantage to attend one school over the other.

It makes no sense if you say Google hires people from state school or Stanford if they hire way more from Stanford.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did that. Not quite Harvard, but turned down Duke, Cornell, and Dartmouth engineering to go to UMD. It was the decision between graduating debt free or $100k+ in debt.

Ironically at my first job my cube mate came from Yale, so I'm not sure it made much of a difference in the end. Part of me still wonders "what if?" 20 years later, but I'm not sad with how my life turned out.

+1
There are Googlers who graduated from top tier who work along side state u grads. I worked with someone from Cornell; I graduated from no name state u.

I never understand this reasoning. Unless you can prove Google hires in the same proportion from Harvard vs a specific State U, it doesn’t verify anything.

If Google hires 50 from Harvard and only 10 from UVA…well the odds are significantly better at Harvard.

Google hires a lot from SJSU (because of proximity mostly). Does that make it better than UVA? Would someone really pick SJSU over UVA coming from oos?

If you want to work at Google or other Silicon Valley companies…yes. You answered your own question.

However this thread is UVA vs Harvard, so not sure why you are mentioning SJSU.

The point is that sure, Google hires kids from anywhere…but if they hire 40 from a class of 1500 but only 10 from a class of 5000…well your odds are much better from the former.

This particular thread is about how a PP turned down Cornell and Duke to go to UMD. It's a similar situation to my example.

Point being, it's not where you go, but what you do when you get there.

Google now no longer even requires a degree for software programming if you are that good.

You aren’t making a good point. I don’t even care about any particular school…but if any employer seems to give priority to one school (ie seems to hire a larger percentage of grads) vs another…well then it is an advantage to attend one school over the other.

It makes no sense if you say Google hires people from state school or Stanford if they hire way more from Stanford.

Sure, but they also hire more from a low rated CSU than UVA or Harvard.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

SJSU 470

Harvard 260

UVA 0 from Google

"Adjusted for enrollment", SJSU does have a lot more people than UVA or Harvard, but not all of them are CS grads.

So, yea, it does make sense sometimes to turn down a top private for a good state school. It just depends on the situation. I'm not saying specifically between Harvard and UVA, but just in general. So, if I want to work in SV, I would pick SJSU over some higher tiered privates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did that. Not quite Harvard, but turned down Duke, Cornell, and Dartmouth engineering to go to UMD. It was the decision between graduating debt free or $100k+ in debt.

Ironically at my first job my cube mate came from Yale, so I'm not sure it made much of a difference in the end. Part of me still wonders "what if?" 20 years later, but I'm not sad with how my life turned out.

+1
There are Googlers who graduated from top tier who work along side state u grads. I worked with someone from Cornell; I graduated from no name state u.

I never understand this reasoning. Unless you can prove Google hires in the same proportion from Harvard vs a specific State U, it doesn’t verify anything.

If Google hires 50 from Harvard and only 10 from UVA…well the odds are significantly better at Harvard.

Google hires a lot from SJSU (because of proximity mostly). Does that make it better than UVA? Would someone really pick SJSU over UVA coming from oos?

If you want to work at Google or other Silicon Valley companies…yes. You answered your own question.

However this thread is UVA vs Harvard, so not sure why you are mentioning SJSU.

The point is that sure, Google hires kids from anywhere…but if they hire 40 from a class of 1500 but only 10 from a class of 5000…well your odds are much better from the former.

This particular thread is about how a PP turned down Cornell and Duke to go to UMD. It's a similar situation to my example.

Point being, it's not where you go, but what you do when you get there.

Google now no longer even requires a degree for software programming if you are that good.

You aren’t making a good point. I don’t even care about any particular school…but if any employer seems to give priority to one school (ie seems to hire a larger percentage of grads) vs another…well then it is an advantage to attend one school over the other.

It makes no sense if you say Google hires people from state school or Stanford if they hire way more from Stanford.

Sure, but they also hire more from a low rated CSU than UVA or Harvard.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

SJSU 470

Harvard 260

UVA 0 from Google

"Adjusted for enrollment", SJSU does have a lot more people than UVA or Harvard, but not all of them are CS grads.

So, yea, it does make sense sometimes to turn down a top private for a good state school. It just depends on the situation. I'm not saying specifically between Harvard and UVA, but just in general. So, if I want to work in SV, I would pick SJSU over some higher tiered privates.

I would too if I was that directed career-wise. SJSU has 3.5x more students than Harvard, so not sure how to interpret 470 vs 260.

Harvard has more grads working in VC and other parts of the tech ecosystem, so you will have more options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of us view UVA as more of a community college type school. Sure you could get in-state tuition but you also deal with poverty among the student body and limited resources due to the state’s budget. There is no prestige and your peers are just trying to tread water.

Ouch. An upper cut to UVA.