Active Duty US Airman Set Himself on Fire Outside Israeli embassy in DC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think that everyone on this thread who’s never been to Israel or Gaza or the West Bank and has no family there and doesn’t speak the languages should STFU - the main problem with this whole debate writ large is that it’s mostly just keyboard warriors loudly repeating stuff they heard somewhere

I would be happy to stay out of this but my TAX DOLLARS are going to fund the war. I don’t want blood on my hands and will vehemently protest any aid to Israel. If they want to get rid of Hamas, then they can do it on their own dime. We have so much more use for that money in our own country.

That's catchy but your tax dollars are also spent on a zillion other things you have zero understanding of

[jsteele]

Some guidelines for this discussion. Let's be respectful of the deceased. I have allowed posts questioning his mental health through I personally feel that is an open question and probably one that lay people who have had no contact with him are not qualified to address. Let's all try to avoid the name-calling. It's possible to disagree without being disagreeable. Obviously, this is a topic that generates strong feelings, apparently strong enough for one man to set himself on fire. Please be cognizant that posters on all sides likely have strong feelings and try to address others in a way that you would like them to address you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think that everyone on this thread who’s never been to Israel or Gaza or the West Bank and has no family there and doesn’t speak the languages should STFU - the main problem with this whole debate writ large is that it’s mostly just keyboard warriors loudly repeating stuff they heard somewhere

I would be happy to stay out of this but my TAX DOLLARS are going to fund the war. I don’t want blood on my hands and will vehemently protest any aid to Israel. If they want to get rid of Hamas, then they can do it on their own dime. We have so much more use for that money in our own country.

That's catchy but your tax dollars are also spent on a zillion other things you have zero understanding of

DP. That may be true, but I have a good understanding of Israel repeatedly bombing, shooting and starving innocent Palestinians. And I don't like my tax dollars funding it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Allegedly he’s a committed anarchist and known in the anarchist “community.” He notified this anarchist publication of his actions:

https://crimethinc.com/2024/02/26/this-is-what-our-ruling-class-has-decided-will-be-normal-on-aaron-bushnells-action-in-solidarity-with-gaza

How is a "committed anarchist" tolerated in our military?!! There's no way radicalized nut cases aren't a major security and operational risk!

schizophrenia often appears in the 20s. He’s not a lone case. Think about the guys who run into the DMZ. They get weeded out but it takes time. Or an event like this.

Obviously it’s ridiculous to collect a government paycheck while declaring yourself an anarchist. I laugh any time I see a “don’t tread on me” plate on a military base/post for the same reason.

Why would you think he’s schizophrenic? Maybe he felt guilt as an airman seeing what aerial bombing really does on the ground. The images online are extremely graphic like Al Jazeera level but worse.

Since the My Lai Massacre photos during Vietnam and what that caused here , The American media doesn’t show the ugliness of war on purpose (we get the sanitized version) because they know if we do see war uncut and uncensored, there’d be more incidents like this guy’s and worse .

1. My point is that severe and sudden mental illness appears in the 20s so in response to the person I quoted, this explains why we sometimes have people this unstable on active duty. When he joined, he probably did not show signs of mental instability.

2. No mentally stable person lights themselves on fire. For any reason. I can’t believe this needs to be said

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Seriously +1

2. needs to be said because so many people are online on reddit, x right now saying "it's not mental illness, he was so brave!!!" Absolutely disturbing how young people especially are being corrupted by online propaganda making them abandon all common sense.

The propaganda is that he was mentally ill for his sacrifice against a profoundly ugly+obvious GENOCIDE.

It’s been noted elsewhere that everyone who talks of this as mental illness has a loooong history of supporting Israeli fascism and this genocide. I’m pretty sure that’s correct!

You’re making that up.

It is not propaganda. It’s an incredibly reasonable assumption for anyone who lights themselves on fire for any reason whatsoever. There are a million ways to support whatever you believe besides suicide or self-harm.

Encouraging or supporting suicide or self-harm as a symbol of protest is propaganda. It’s extremism used in extremist organizations. I see you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh and all these Free Palestine blue checks are posting videos and pictures of this guy up in flames with tearful messages.

It's really grotesque.

Yeah, that is disgusting. It’s not doing a lot to convince average people that pro-Palestinian protesters in the US aren’t all crazy.

Because I’m sure you’re the perfectly sane one here and the moral authority on what the definition of “crazy” is.

Being an empath is now mental illness-a mark against a person, it arouses suspicion and contempt . The guy didn’t harm anyone else in an. act of terorrism. He burned himself as an Act of protest

Families killed , homes shattered, pet cats with shrapnel in their eyes . These are the images social media networks have displayed for months now and they have had powerful effects.

I guess Homes and humans burned and crushed to hamburger meat within seconds is just par for the course for the heartless massives. The hell on 10/7 was only matched by a bigger hell from 10/8 onwards and who is the victor in this? Nobody. Not us and certainly not them. Nobody’s the winner here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has there been any reporting on whether this guy ever even visited Israel or Palestine before?

What a weird take. Did the Weather Underground and various far leftist anti war groups go to Vietnam? Some people are extreme empaths who physically feel pain when they see images of it. It has nothing to do with traveling to the place or having a formal connection.

Self immolation is a widely used extreme tactic used by anti war activists. Someone committed suicide over the Iraq War in the same fashion as well as countless examples from Vietnam War

Malachi Ritscher (Mark David Ritscher; January 13, 1954 – November 3, 2006) was an American musician, recording engineer, human rights activist, and anti-war protester. He gained fame through his self-immolation, an act of protest against the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

[Anonymous]

I saw that the uncensored video and it was horrific. His screams before he finally collapsed were agonizing. That man died in a way no person should die and that he did that to himself is deeply disturbing. I don’t know what was accomplished by such a death; it’s very sad for him and his family for that to be his last moments on earth. That poor man.

[Anonymous]

This photo taken in 1963 of a monk protesting the South Vietnamese government won the World Press Photo of the Year award.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw that the uncensored video and it was horrific. His screams before he finally collapsed were agonizing. That man died in a way no person should die and that he did that to himself is deeply disturbing. I don’t know what was accomplished by such a death; it’s very sad for him and his family for that to be his last moments on earth. That poor man.

Nothing was accomplished except that it brought satisfaction to those who assess should feel plain because people in Gaza feel plain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This photo taken in 1963 of a monk protesting the South Vietnamese government won the World Press Photo of the Year award.

This is not a good thing. We do want to encourage this. Anyone of the living who admires the act (of the now dead person) is ultimately extraordinary selfish. "Look whet he did for me (my cause) isn't he great!"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This photo taken in 1963 of a monk protesting the South Vietnamese government won the World Press Photo of the Year award.

This is not a good thing. We do want to encourage this. Anyone of the living who admires the act (of the now dead person) is ultimately extraordinary selfish. "Look whet he did for me (my cause) isn't he great!"

Agree. And it does absolutely nothing for the causes.


To PPP, not sure what you think that proves? Photojournalism awards are for outstanding emotion, composition, use of light, etc - and pure luck of being at the right place at the right time with the skills to frame a powerful image. In no way does that award condone what’s happening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This photo taken in 1963 of a monk protesting the South Vietnamese government won the World Press Photo of the Year award.

This is not a good thing. We do want to encourage this. Anyone of the living who admires the act (of the now dead person) is ultimately extraordinary selfish. "Look whet he did for me (my cause) isn't he great!"

Obviously, I would never encourage someone to immolate themselves. But I do think he was brave to stand for his convictions. That doesn't make me selfish.

[Anonymous]

Brave?!! It’s totally insane and no one should say it was brave. I think it makes you an enabler, but that’s just me. Good lord.

[Anonymous]

Didn't have to wear a uniform though. Could have worn civilian clothes. That's in violation of the UCMJ to protest in uniform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brave?!! It’s totally insane and no one should say it was brave. I think it makes you an enabler, but that’s just me. Good lord.

It is just you. I feel totally secure in saying he was brave without worrying that there are going to be a rash of copycats.